Draft Watch

[folester41]

also, with regards to the tac cup future stars phantom, dont really rate lynch as a top 6 pick, id prefer gorringe as a tall, but even then im not a fan of taking ruckmen so high.

 

[TigerTime88]

Got any guys you have a vested interest in amcre?

I'm a big wrap of Josh Green, Patrick Karnezis, and I just adore the creativity and flair of Jed Lamb.

There are probably 5-6 players that I would be happy at taking at pick 6. Seriously it is very even and hopefully FJ sees the upside in the guy we do take. Atley is a smooth mover and I think he will be all class once he plays AFL, plus he tackles.

Jed Lamb is the kind of player we need. We have a glaring hole for a classy HFF. Matt White is currently filling this role since Nathan Brown retired. Ideally Nathan Brown is 25 right now playing for Richmond and our forward line looks awesome. Instead someone like Jed Lamb or Harper would fit in perfectly.

I think we should go Atley, Polec or Smith at 6. Atley is class, Polec seems the higher risk but is player good senior footy and could have huge upside and Smith imo is a similar version of Nathan Foley. He has a huge burst of speed and is very strong around the hips. Would be stoked with either Atley/Smith and happy with Polec.

Then trade pick 28 plus a player with some currency like Rance/McGuane to upgrade hopefully into the top 20. Say we go pick 15 off GC for that deal, then we would have the chance imo of also grabbing:

Caddy, Lynch, Harper or Lamb.

Then I think our third rounder should go towards a ruckman and we should also try and get a mature age ruck from the state league on our rookie list.

Harper, Caddy and Lamb can all play midfield as well as go forward and kick bags. That is a glaring need for us imo. Of our current midfield crop I really only see Deledio as having that utility ability to go forward and kick 4-5 goals if he wanted. Cotchin maybe, but he is more a pure mid.

 

[TigerTime88]

Would also be keen on Green at pick 28....

 

[Toadvine]

Wow Lych at 6. I knew he was going up the order and it's good to see others rate him highly as well. would really compliment Jack well as he's an a great making forward and a exceptional field kick inside 50. After only taking up footy full time for the first time this year there is obviously a lot of improvement left in him.

Would not be disappointed with him at 6 but the selfish part of me want's the instant gratification of a midfielder in Polec, Heppell or Atley. Who are all worthy of pick 6 each with they're various pros and cons

 

[DeepThroat007]

Cannot agree with them suggesting we will take Lynch at 6. Purely for the following 2 reasons:

1. We already have Riewoldt and Griffiths. Riewoldt is a Coleman medalist and Hardwick has a huge man crush for Griffiths. Not to mention Post is also down at Tiger land.

Hardwick already said he wanted an outside mid earlier in the year.[/quote]

Interesting that everybodykeeps saying this but DH never said thats what we will be using our first pick on, the other interesting thing is that DH has always stated that always pick best available and Talls over Smalls, leadership and have elite kicking.

with GWS coming into the draft next year and hopefully we rise the chances of picking up a quality key Tall becomes near impossible, for example Johnathan Patton will be a star but do we by pass him, definately not we draft and trade surplus, but we wont get that opporunity, talls always take longer to develop than mids do so you need your Talls like Jack peaking at the same time as your mids to make premiership tilt.

for what it's worth, if Day is gone in the top 3 then the best talls are,

Dan Gorringe this kid will be champion/elite Ruck/forward (giant ruck rover) this bloke is gold, while Gus and browne have shown some promise, there's still doubt also on Vickory's real position, this kid will provide us a A grade Class tall that takes marks around the ground, runs all day which is important if the rotations get capped next year, is highly skilled, is fast, elite kick, has astoshing mobility, posses a great spring and is a natural tap ruck thats hits midfielders on the run.

Tom lynch he has the most upside than every draftee this year, has Grown 14 cm's from last year to the beginning of this year so he is playing Tall in a Mids Body which is gold, no different to Chris Grant when he was drafted, has a huge tank, great footskills, is a fantastic contested mark and a great pack mark which is slightly different, has fantastic leader ship qualities, imagine Richo at CHF running all over the ground and Jack at Full forward. This kid can only get better the more footy he plays, has only played as a tall this year.

Pat MacCarthy is the next best, key defender with great speed, elite kicking, play tall or small in defence, has a very good football brain.

Lucas Cook, Neads to be able to fill out if he is going to make it as a key tall, terrific football brain, has a great kick and mark, has very good mobilty.

Personally my best players in order if they were available at pick 6,

Day, Swallow, bennel, Gorringe, Heppel, lynch, Harper, Smith, Polec, Atley, Smedts, Caddy, Lamb and Lycett.

 

[DeepThroat007]

i didnt name Gaff because i dont rate him for our pick, thats not to say he wont go top 10, but one thing is for sure he is not as sought after as he was at the start of the year, im hoping he is taken before we have our pick

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

I think we should trade pick 6 and a player for gold coast picks 9 and 13 so that way we could get one of Gaff,Polec,Smith,Caddy,Lynch(maybe) at least that way we're more likely to get 2 good players rather than 1.

 

[THE_GUN]

DP if you had to compare/rate gorringe to someone like mathew kruezer
how would they compare,which would you prefer at the same stage pro's con's etc.

 

[Delids]

My pick is easy and its supported by the following stats:
Top 10 contested marks
1. Jack Riewoldt - 54 (22)
2. Angus Graham - 14 (15)
3. Brett Deledio - 12 (22)
4. Chris Newman - 11 (21)
5. Kelvin Moore - 9 (19)
6. Shane Tuck - 8 (20)
Eq. 7. Trent Cotchin - 7 (17)
Eq. 7. Andrew Collins - 7 (15)
Eq. 7. Ty Vickery - 7 (14)
Eq. 7. Richard Tambling - 7 (13)
Pretty ordinary to be honest. We lack talls to kick to kick to especially at CHF. Tom Lynch for me. I know the game has changed with a lot of uncontested ball and marking but tall players that can grab the contested marks are key ingreadients to successful sides. Lynch first pref, Gorriege second.
Jack took a lot of his contested marks deep in the forward line, we need someone else to present further up the ground

 

[TigerTime88]

If Griffiths and Lynch both turn out to be good players then what happens? Surely all three cannot play on the one forward line. Plus we have Vickery and Post as forward options.

 

[DeepThroat007]

DP if you had to compare/rate gorringe to someone like mathew kruezer
how would they compare,which would you prefer at the same stage pro's con's etc.

I would rate them very similar at the same age, incredible in there mobilty, Kruzer is slightly Taller, i think the pro's and con's are that Kruezer is a more genuine Ruck/that rests up forward and yet has fantastic mobility for a traditional ruck around the ground, while Gorringe plays the ruck as spring tap ruck but turns into a giant Ruck Rover and links up, has pace, up forward he can rest deep but is dangerous around CHF, he reads the play well, marks well, presents well, but kicks goals more like a swooping half forward unlike Kruzeur who plays Full Forward and takes a grab. Not saying that Gorringe Cant do that its just his mobilty is such that he is more damaging up around the play, while Kruezer size wouldnt allow him to do it like Gorringe.

its hard to say who i would prefer at the same stage, they both have dominated there positions at the same stage of there career, its a toss of a coin really, though its goes with out saying Kruezer has already proven him self at the AFL level. One thing is for sure they both at the same stage look like A grade players for any club that drafted them and not a ruck that you cross your fingures and hope they will make it, they will make it and be guns when they do.

 

[_RT_]

The tall defenders invited to draft camp have been announced, list is now posted on the first page of this thread.

 

[DeepThroat007]

TAC Future Stars discussing draft order now. They are doing a mock draft.
Couple of interesting points:
Seems the Top 5 is almost certain.
"Shifter" Sheehan believes Swallow, Bennell, Day & GORRINGE are all GC certainties.
Also, they believe WC will now certainly jump on Heppell.
Therefore, available at our pick 6 will be Atley, Gaff, Lynch etc..
Wallet had us taking Lynch to finish off our KPF stocks... Looks very good, but going on what Hardwick has said I think Atley/Gaff will end up at Tigers.
Interested to hear TFLUA and TVs thoughts on the above.. Personally, I would love to see us give up a player for a pick between 10-15 (Rance/Moore/McGuane etc.), as we could potentially get Lynch and a Caddy/Gaff/Harper type. Thus, an insurance policy on the 'Sex Monster', which would give us JR8, Griffiths, Lynch as potential KPF (I see Astbury as our CHB). Then with the pick between 10-15, we could add to our midfield with a Caddy/Parker/Harper/Gaff(if he slides)..

I totally agree i would even tradepick 6 for 2 picks like 9 and 15, this would strengthen the Suns chances of securing there selected talent, to fill there holes on there list, i would even trade our 2nd round pick with say MacGaune to get pick 11 or 13.

 

[Delids]

If Griffiths and Lynch both turn out to be good players then what happens? Surely all three cannot play on the one forward line. Plus we have Vickery and Post as forward options.

And what happens if Griffiths continues to get injured and doesnt make it. Post & Vickery havent played well enough or consistent enough to be key forwards.
If they do then we could release one and trade for a need that we lack later on.
Ideally you would have Lynch CHF, Griff FF and Jack roam anywhere in the forward line etc

 

[Toadvine]

I think people underrate Astburys potential in the forward line. His ability to play CHF is immense with a great ability to take a contested grab, endurance, polished skills and provide excellent delivery inside 50.

But I am a massive fan of Lych. Watching him play over the last few weeks and seeing his rapid improvement has been amazing. He is really excite ting to watch. He moves into the right spots and when he goes up for the ball he makes you just want to stand up and yell "Lyn Chay!"

It reminded me a lot of watching Richo again because when you see him him play you're constantly saying "kick it to Lych. kick it to Lych"

He works very hard off the ball and could really play develop into a player very similar to "the other Riewoldt" Nick.

 

[bigstyletiger]

And what happens if Griffiths continues to get injured and doesnt make it. Post & Vickery havent played well enough or consistent enough to be key forwards.
If they do then we could release one and trade for a need that we lack later on.
Ideally you would have Lynch CHF, Griff FF and Jack roam anywhere in the forward line etc

for the last two posts

Jack would be awesome with a bit of freedom. With Griff at ff and Lynch at CHF he could roam as he pleases and really stretch defenses. Lynch just looks like a really natural CHF and obviously he has so much development in him as he is a long way off growing into his body. Just looks like a colt.

I agree with TV that Astbury could be a really effective CHF as well and it will be intersting to see where he ends up.

 

[DeepThroat007]

I think people underrate Astburys potential in the forward line. His ability to play CHF is immense with a great ability to take a contested grab, endurance, polished skills and provide excellent delivery inside 50.

But I am a massive fan of Lych. Watching him play over the last few weeks and seeing his rapid improvement has been amazing. He is really excite ting to watch. He moves into the right spots and when he goes up for the ball he makes you just want to stand up and yell "Lyn Chay!"

It reminded me a lot of watching Richo again because when you see him him play you're constantly saying "kick it to Lych. kick it to Lych"

He works very hard off the ball and could really play develop into a player very similar to "the other Riewoldt" Nick.

Hey TV, im glad that Lynch has impressed you, you had doubts a couple of months ago about going top 10, i have not watched him of late but you have and you can tell his upside is terrific, how has he handled the final's pressure? how did he handle Watson on a one on one situation?

 

[Toadvine]

It's fair to say Watson is A LOT more developed physically than Lynch so he was out bodied at most contests but he didn't make it easy for him, and not only that had at least one other Cannon jumping all over him at every contest.

Lynch read the play really well and lead Watson to the ball a few times but Waston was still able to effect the contest and spoil. After being shut out of the game Lynch went for a run up the ground and managed to gain a couple of possessions on the wing and help move the ball forward. In the last quarter he was able to mark the ball just outside 50, I think Watson thought he was safe letting him mark it from there but Lynch kicked it straight from 55.

Lynch will fair much better in these situations once he adds weight to his frame but he showed great work ethic and endurance to prove that there's a lot to work with.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

There are probably 5-6 players that I would be happy at taking at pick 6. Seriously it is very even and hopefully FJ sees the upside in the guy we do take. Atley is a smooth mover and I think he will be all class once he plays AFL, plus he tackles.

Jed Lamb is the kind of player we need. We have a glaring hole for a classy HFF. Matt White is currently filling this role since Nathan Brown retired. Ideally Nathan Brown is 25 right now playing for Richmond and our forward line looks awesome. Instead someone like Jed Lamb or Harper would fit in perfectly.

I think we should go Atley, Polec or Smith at 6. Atley is class, Polec seems the higher risk but is player good senior footy and could have huge upside and Smith imo is a similar version of Nathan Foley. He has a huge burst of speed and is very strong around the hips. Would be stoked with either Atley/Smith and happy with Polec.

Then trade pick 28 plus a player with some currency like Rance/McGuane to upgrade hopefully into the top 20. Say we go pick 15 off GC for that deal, then we would have the chance imo of also grabbing:

Caddy, Lynch, Harper or Lamb.

Then I think our third rounder should go towards a ruckman and we should also try and get a mature age ruck from the state league on our rookie list.

Harper, Caddy and Lamb can all play midfield as well as go forward and kick bags. That is a glaring need for us imo. Of our current midfield crop I really only see Deledio as having that utility ability to go forward and kick 4-5 goals if he wanted. Cotchin maybe, but he is more a pure mid.

Haha it wasn't about who you'd like to fall for us - just which players you really like in this draft crop - even if they'll fall or have a big limitation. Like Prestia for example - I love the kid.

 

[TigerTime88]

Haha it wasn't about who you'd like to fall for us - just which players you really like in this draft crop - even if they'll fall or have a big limitation. Like Prestia for example - I love the kid.

Well the players I mentioned are the ones I want. Bennell would be a the dream but he will be goonnneee.

Watson looks good to me. I think he will be a hurleyesk like CHB/FB. But how tall is he?

Caddy is one of my favourites...I see him being Jimmy Bartel mark II...

Gorringe is one I am not keen on but I think it is more that I hate taking ruckman early and I know he will go early. They are just a huge risk taking them early. To be hoenst I can't see Vickery ever living up to pick 8 and the feets of Sidebottom and Ziebell...hence why I don't want Gorringe.

 

[Kegstar]

Recon it will depend on who we can trade for. If we can trade for Knights or Toy then we go tall, say Lynch or Darling. If we get nobody then we go for a Heppell, Gaff, Atley or Polec type.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

See I really enjoy the draft and look at it from more than just a club context.

There's some kids out there who I really like - but know there's not much chance the tigers will end up going for them.

Also - your rationale on not taking Gorringe is really flawed. Should Carlton have not taken Kreuzer at 1 in front of Cotchin/Morton/Masten because they were scared off by previous number 1 ruck draft picks like Josh Fraser?

I think everyone on here is really hard on Ty - and I really do think he'll be a very good ruckman (I'll post a bit of a review on his profile in the Tiger Sanctuary). If we hadn't have taken Ty a ruck would be a huge priority, and Gorringe would be a monty to be taken anyway.

If a prospect shows that much, it doesn't matter what position they play - you take them.

 

[TigerTime88]

See I really enjoy the draft and look at it from more than just a club context.

There's some kids out there who I really like - but know there's not much chance the tigers will end up going for them.

Also - your rationale on not taking Gorringe is really flawed. Should Carlton have not taken Kreuzer at 1 in front of Cotchin/Morton/Masten because they were scared off by previous number 1 ruck draft picks like Josh Fraser?

I think everyone on here is really hard on Ty - and I really do think he'll be a very good ruckman (I'll post a bit of a review on his profile in the Tiger Sanctuary). If we hadn't have taken Ty a ruck would be a huge priority, and Gorringe would be a monty to be taken anyway.

If a prospect shows that much, it doesn't matter what position they play - you take them.

Yeah I am the same I look forward to the draft in general and not just from a Richmond perspective. Personally this year I am very curious to see where Jack Darling will fall and also Andrew Gaff.

In regards to my ruck comment I can see where you come from with Kruezer. I should have mentioned that when an exceptional ruck talent like Kruezer comes along then obviously you cannot ignore. However imo Vickery and say Luenberger are a level below Kruezer and I think you can find a ruckman who will be just as serviceable in the 3rd round or rookie draft. YOu only have to look at the top 3 ruckman of the comp atm who I would say are:

Sanidlands (rookie), Cox (rookie), Mumford (rookie).

Then you have promising rucks who went later in: Warnock (3rd round), Jacobs (rookie), Renouf (late), Graham (rookie), Goldstein (30's?).

Not saying you cannot pick up a gun in the first round but just that you are also very likely to find a decent talent later due to the fact that rucks develop 3-4 years later than everyone else so to committ a first round pick on a kid at 18 inside the top 8 imo is stupid. The difference between say Goldstein and Vickery will not be that great if Vickery reaches his full potential, however the difference between Ziebell and a 3rd round mid or Sidebottom will be a fair bit.

Vickery imo will be a decent ruck he just needs kg's and to build a tank. His goal next season should be to try and go 50/50 for taps but also pick up 15-20 touches a game and hurt the opposition that way ala Dean Cox like. THe guy is quick and agile and imo is not using that to the best of his ability, he is a bit lazy.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Okay - but Leunberger will be a jet.

Think of how many people were writing Sandilands off after his first few years. Rucks need time. I'll say it again and again. Don't expect them to show you in their first few years why they were picked first round. Kreuzer is the exception.

After the three best rucks you listed - who are the next best?

I'd say: Jolly, but the next tier is Kreuzer (number 1), Naitanui (2) and Leunberger (3)

Those 3 will be the next elite group of rucks - and all were taken top 3. If they're good enough - you jump on. Simple as that.

I hope the recruiting staff choose the player based on a case by case analysis - not by a look at where in the draft the best ruckman have come from.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Hey how do you guys rate pat mccarthy as i was just watching his video and he seemed to read the play very well and looked a lot like astbury.