Draft Winners and Losers

[T2B_]

As for the topic, obviously no one can say who is really a winner or loser right now, can merely speculate.

Am I happy with my club's overall haul though at this moment? Absolutely.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Yeah but Geelong have a habit of drafting blokes nobody has heard of and then actually making something out of them.

 

[Rich01]

Not a great thread to start so soon after the draft.

Lots of good names picked by junior reputation but that means little now.

Let’s see how it all pans out in 5 years.
Hopefully some stars of the comp come from this years crop.

 

[JimmyBC]

Yeah but Geelong have a habit of drafting blokes nobody has heard of and then actually making something out of them.

I reckon one kid they took was from the Port Magpies old zone in Enright country.

 

[Rob R]

Can't remember which team it was, but I remember seeing this 1 mid 20s attractive women in the middle of 10 middle-age+ men and wondered if she was a genuine recruiter.

Probably the only time people wanted to see more of Essendon or a club dragging out its decision

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[Tugga27]

Winners
Tigs - That hand + a future North First and to get a good talent SF at 58
Lions/Bears - Oh My. 3 picks in 40s for the standout no1 player. + Another first FS
Eagles - Got bargains/good talent at every spot.
Port- added forward firepower

Up and Down
Saints- didn’t like their early picks where they picked 3 of the same medium defender. Loved their last 3 picks where they got a good mid and highly rated ruck that slipped.
North- FOS will be such a good pick for them and add a lot of firepower to their forward line. Betting heavily on jumping up the ladder this year. It will be a big price to pay if they’ve got it wrong

Losers
Collingwood - Got a player they may not have wanted when Sydney didn’t match their bid
Freo- Murphy Reid’s Hostage Video is troubling
Fox Draft Guy who doubled down on Essendon’s trade of pick 9 being a mistake

Reid was known to be a flight risk.
What's the video about?

 

[AndyLucimitis]

As for the topic, obviously no one can say who is really a winner or loser right now, can merely speculate.

Am I happy with my club's overall haul though at this moment? Absolutely.

Agee - Blues have recruited four players who, at this stage on paper, are going to win multiple Brownlows.

Have to be happy with that.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Reid was known to be a flight risk.
What's the video about?

Murphy Reid looked about as happy with getting drafted to Freo as Fischer McAsey did when drafted to the Crows.

 

[STPer18]

Whoever Geelong picked they'll look like seasoned 25 year olds after one preseason in the 'gym'

Even our weights are rorting the system!

 

[FlowersByIrene]

If anything I think Richmond actually lost the draft. At almost every position they picked the worse of available options.

Pick #1 - I think Jagga Smith was the clear better pick here, Richmond need a 300 game player who will be the core of their side for years, Lalor has more question marks.
Pick #7 - This was ripe to trade up into the top 5 and grab one of Lalor, O'Sullivan, Draper or Langford to partner with Jagga, I don't rate Smilie as being on this level and think he's likely overvalued due to his size. I think they missed the trick by not doing the trade.
Pick #12 - Taj Hotton, rarely does the player who missed their 18s with a serious injury perform at the elite elite level. Joel Selwood might be one of the few examples across the last two decades. I think this selection was a reach.

I must admit I didn't focus too much on the talls this years as I was looking primarily into the midfielders with those players being the target of Carlton's pick #3 but I have serious questions about the talent of key position players who fall to #14, #21 and #23 in a midfield heavy draft. If they were any good they would have been automatic Top #5 options for teams like North and the Saints - I don't know much about them but they scream Matthew Watson, Pat McCarthy and Luke Mitchell

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to me more than they scream Roughead and Buddy or Curnow and McKay

Big call but I think we'll look back on this draft as one of the worst nights in Richmond's history. The night that could put them at the bottom of the ladder for a decade.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If anything I think Richmond actually lost the draft. At almost every position they picked the worse of available options.

Pick #1 - I think Jagga Smith was the clear better pick here, Richmond need a 300 game player who will be the core of their side for years, Lalor has more question marks.
Pick #7 - This was ripe to trade up into the top 5 and grab one of Lalor, O'Sullivan, Draper or Langford to partner with Jagga, I don't rate Smilie as being on this level and think he's likely overvalued due to his size. I think they missed the trick by not doing the trade.
Pick #12 - Taj Hotton, rarely does the player who missed their 18s with a serious injury perform at the elite elite level. Joel Selwood might be one of the few examples across the last two decades. I think this selection was a reach.

I must admit I didn't focus too much on the talls this years as I was looking primarily into the midfielders with those players being the target of Carlton's pick #3 but I have serious questions about the talent of key position players who fall to #14, #21 and #23 in a midfield heavy draft. If they were any good they would have been automatic Top #5 options for teams like North and the Saints - I don't know much about them but they scream Matthew Watson, Pat McCarthy and Luke Mitchell to me more than they scream Roughead and Buddy or Curnow and McKay

Big call but I think we'll look back on this draft as one of the worst nights in Richmond's history. The night that could put them at the bottom of the ladder for a decade.

Beautiful research post.

If I were you I would re-search for some more accurate information.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Thank you to those restrained souls that feel the need to remind everyone that it’s too early to tell who ‘won’ the draft and that ‘time will tell’.

I think everyone realises that…

That said, very happy with West Coast’s haul - good mix of sizes, some local, some not, there is even a ginger in there, god help us. Looks like a good haul and good to see the club resisting the temptation to fill up on delisted scraps and really double down on this years supposed ‘super draft’.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Whoever Geelong picked they'll look like seasoned 25 year olds after one preseason in the 'gym'

Agreed. Exhibit A your honour:

 

[FlowersByIrene]

It's not even a "big call". It's a down right ridiculous call with the information we have.

Lalor was the number 1 pick for me. Chad Warner and Heeney have shown how valuable goal-kicking mids are in the modern game and that's exactly what Lalor is.

Funnily enough, Lalor would have been perfect for Carlton because that's what they're missing.

Smilie at 7 is a great selection for a rebuilding side. A good foundation to build their midfield around.

Also really like the Armstrong selection.
Richmond had an excellent draft, but that's expected with the amount of picks they had in a deep draft.

Let's revisit in 5 years time. I have my doubts.

 

[iBeng]

I noticed a bit of baby fat on the #1 pick and Levi seems to have some too. Not that a hard pre-season can't take care of.

Levi had shoulder surgery so hes likely on lighter duties.

 

[Outtatym]

Just remember everyone, Richmond had the best draft haul in 2004 too...

7 Richard Tamblings would be some effort.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Beautiful research post.

If I were you I would re-search for some more accurate information.

It's okay. You will come to understand in time.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

7 Richard Tamblings would be some effort.

Was more highlighting that noone knows at this stage come back in 5 years and ask the question

 

[adonski]

Winners: Cal Twomey
Losers: Mick Ablett

 

[juss]

It's not a stretch to say Richmond need to be the winners and by a long way in this draft. Coming off a two win season and then culling any remaining players with reasonable value - if they have more misses than hits then an already ugly predicament is only going to get a whole lot worse. You'd be crossing everything if you were a Tiggie hoping you picked the right ones.

Of course, this and the next 2 drafts are super important to us.

We won't know for 3-5 years though, especially with the talls.

 

[danster168]

Winners:
1: Brisbane: cashing in yet again on a flawed AFL system

2: Richmond: but I think they stuffed their mix of picks. Too many key positions when I think the direction of the league is going smaller.

3: Tauru: best key position in the draft and Travaglia. Great rebuilding pieces and Dodson to develop under Marshall.

Losers:
1: North. Sorry but you just don't trade your Future 1 unless you're getting a player like Petracca in your door. Not Matt Whitlock.

2: Laura Kane. She couldn't even pronounce the surnames of the players. She also didn't change the points system despite having a chance to do so immediately. She also had the chance to bring in 2 years of future trading but failed to do so.

3: Newbies who are suddenly annoyed about the unfair F/S and NGA rules. The time to be annoyed was 5-10 years ago. Not now. Sure, the competition isn't fair to the point where flags don't mean much anymore but it's been this case for a very very long time. Unless you've been consistently banging on about it for years like me, coming out now to state your disgust just seems like you've been living under a rock.

 

[Handsuper47]

Ask this question in like 5 years, nobody knows who won or lost.

 

[V23]

Ask this question in like 5 years, nobody knows who won or lost.

Might as well shut down all footy tipping too. Nobody knows who'll win each match...

 

[Mat Mann]

Winners
Tigs - That hand + a future North First and to get a good talent SF at 58
Lions/Bears - Oh My. 3 picks in 40s for the standout no1 player. + Another first FS
Eagles - Got bargains/good talent at every spot.
Port- added forward firepower

Up and Down
Saints- didn’t like their early picks where they picked 3 of the same medium defender. Loved their last 3 picks where they got a good mid and highly rated ruck that slipped.
North- FOS will be such a good pick for them and add a lot of firepower to their forward line. Betting heavily on jumping up the ladder this year. It will be a big price to pay if they’ve got it wrong

Losers
Collingwood - Got a player they may not have wanted when Sydney didn’t match their bid
Freo- Murphy Reid’s Hostage Video is troubling
Fox Draft Guy who doubled down on Essendon’s trade of pick 9 being a mistake

Just on this. It's been debated ad nauseam on our board, but we don't just need mids. We needed a mid from that top 7, one that can come in and play day 1 and make a difference. When they went before our pick, why grab any mid, we have a heap on the list already.

What those 1st 3 selections do have is versatility Travaglia at both ends in a Sicily mould, Tauru is able to play midfield, and Barrat , KPP, another who has shown he can play both fwd and back.

we could potentially cover Sinclair, Wilkie and Battle in one draft

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Winners:
1: Brisbane: cashing in yet again on a flawed AFL system

2: Richmond: but I think they stuffed their mix of picks. Too many key positions when I think the direction of the league is going smaller.

3: Tauru: best key position in the draft and Travaglia. Great rebuilding pieces and Dodson to develop under Marshall.

Losers:
1: North. Sorry but you just don't trade your Future 1 unless you're getting a player like Petracca in your door. Not Matt Whitlock.

2: Laura Kane. She couldn't even pronounce the surnames of the players. She also didn't change the points system despite having a chance to do so immediately. She also had the chance to bring in 2 years of future trading but failed to do so.

3: Newbies who are suddenly annoyed about the unfair F/S and NGA rules. The time to be annoyed was 5-10 years ago. Not now. Sure, the competition isn't fair to the point where flags don't mean much anymore but it's been this case for a very very long time. Unless you've been consistently banging on about it for years like me, coming out now to state your disgust just seems like you've been living under a rock.

2017 flag team ave height 186.4cm
2018 187.9cm
2019 185.7cm
2020 185.5cm
2021 187.1cm
2022 188.5cm
2023 189.0cm
2024 188.2cm

How exactly is the trend moving to smaller teams?