List Mgmt. Drafting SA kids as a priority.

[Samcro24]

On average SA kids play more AFL games and spend more time on AFL lists than kids from any other state. Source = Brenton Phillips.
TAC cup kids are over rated compared to kids from WA or SA and get drafted ahead of them.

So where are the good ones, and why are so many failing?

You seem hung up on numbers, and not bothered whether the players are actually any good.

 

[Cleric]

So where are the good ones, and why are so many failing?

You seem hung up on numbers, and not bothered whether the players are actually any good.

Dont let the statistics bother you then.
The last three years SA has produced alot of talent which will be judged down the track.
Alot of SA kids didnt get picked up due to size. Rory Laird is a great example. If Adelaide didnt draft him as a rookie, he would be an SANFL player for the rest of his life.
Its not an issue of talent.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

So you're saying we should trade lever for durdin ?

Best available every day of the week , only go SA kid if relatively even with another

Sloane , talia leadership group .... Wouldnt even be on our list

 

[Cleric]

So you're saying we should trade lever for durdin ?

Best available every day of the week , only go SA kid if relatively even with another

Sloane , talia leadership group .... Wouldnt even be on our list

Where did I say that?
After one year of football are you saying that Durdin is a dud? You cannot claim anything with big guys until they are in their 20's.
This isnt something that is changed in a year or two. WC has had this for many years now.
WC will not have the same amount of issue retaining their players that we will have going forward. WC will not have the same inflationary pressures on the salery cap that we will have trying to keep our Vic kids from going home like Sloane, Lynch, Crouch, Talia etc.
They have taken a particular route and we have taken another. And as far as talent goes, SA has had alot more in the last few years than WA. Their Jr program is terrible.

 

[Bacon8]

stenglein = Thommo
Kane Johnson = pick 2
Phill Davis = Brad crouch
Jack Gunston = JJ & Tommy Lynch

Hell yeah!

Tippett = banning of triggy

whoop whoop

Danger = ?

Maybe we should only draft interstate players? I'm now worried the go home factor might dry up!!

Actually, Maric landed us Tommy.

Gunston got us JJ, Kerridge & Grigg.

 

[billy fragos]

People say this but I'm sure no one here would choose Durdin>Lever

 

[cocka]

There is a few problems with this thought process.

Adelaide was very insular with it's drafting in the 90's by only going after SA born players, and the lack of professionalism in regards to the draft. In fact, i'd say it wasn't until the early-mid 2000s that we really had taken that next step with drafting and we're regularly drafting non SA players, which means that this would be the first batch that would be coming up to the end of their career. This, coupled we were more miss than hit with that draft until around 2007, leads to the problem that you mentioning.

In these "very insular" years we won our only 2 premierships.

In 10 years, the top 3 will most likely be Rory Sloane, Daniel Talia and Richard Douglas (This also assumes we don't count McLeod who was from the NT, and we don't count players who are still playing). Now that's a handy top 3 and if we have players that are still around counted, the top 10 will most likely be very, very handy.

Lets look at this rationally, shall we?

I think we should look at this "rationally" as a "few problems in your thought process". So to argue your point - 2 of your top 3 we need a really big crystal ball to figure out the outcome? Don't know why you stopped there and didn't go for the Trifecta by adding Lever or a Crouch brother. Seems a defeated argument already, but I'll push on. Andrew McLeod (you serious, pretending you are), now let me see, nup just looking thru the AFL teams cannot find NT Thunder in there. Thank God, as we both know he would've gone that being the case. That would of kissed goodbye 2 norm smiths and 2 pr... let's not go there. Seeing you took this tact, you should of added Tex being from Broken Hill and all, but I guess the straws had disappeared. You had clutched at them all already.

Kane Johnson/ Tyson Stenglien: Don't remember the details of those deals.

Thats's convenient, so your "rational" is to dismiss 2 of the 6 because you "don't remember", well let me remind you - 2 high quality players (combined 400 + games, 3 premierships, captain and a B&F). They went home.

Phil Davis: Got a once in a lifetime offer from GWS, and left for money. (Also did some of his schooling in SA, and had family here, i do believe)
Jack Gunston: Was a flight risk that we backed in, shame a premiership fancy came in. Unfortunate, but every club has lost a player in this way.
Kurt Tippett: Had flight risk issues that were highlighted early. We should of cut our losses in 2011, but Tippett leaving highlights at lot of issues with our club then, not our inability to keep non-SA'ers.
Patrick Dangerfield: One of the few genuine "wanted to go home" cases in our history.

That said though, it's what 4 A graders, and 2 with potential in about what 13-14 years. That's hardly consistent

So who are these 2 "with potentials" you talk about, when we busted our gut to try and keep all of them?, is it
a) 2 time premiership player for us, who went home to continue his 200+ game career, become captain and a B&F.
b) 200+ game player who won a premiership
c) current player and AFL captain
d) current player and 2 time premiership player whose team are praying he makes this week's side so he can have 3
e) current player and highest paid crows player ever, 2 time leading goalkicker at his clubs
f) current player and B&F and 3 time All-Australian

No matter what drafting strategy, no matter how good you're player retention programs are, you will always lose some, as they are looking for different than what the club can provide. There is no point, however, getting gun shy because it's your turn with that.

I agree as I stated up front in my original post, that should always draft best talent, but no denying the evidence.
From the list of interstate players we have drafted in our history (ignoring the complete spuds that no one wants), I'd take the GONE list over the Stayed list anyday, and pray to the football gods and the Free Agency angels that the Maybes stick around, history will tell us the majority of the mediocre ones will, the majority of the very good will not.

Kane Johnson 1995 - GONE
Shane Ellen 1995 - Stayed
Ian Perrie 1997 - Stayed
Tyson Stenglein 1998 - GONE
Brett Reilly 2001 - Stayed
Nathan Van Berlo 2004 - Stayed
Ivan Maric 2004 - GONE
Chris Knights 2004 - GONE
Jonathon Griffin 2004 - GONE
Richard Douglas 2005 - Stayed
Kurt Tippett 2006 - GONE
David MacKay 2006 - Stayed
Patrick Dangerfield 2007 - GONE
Andy Otten 2007 - Stayed
Phil Davis 2008 - GONE
Shaun McKernan 2008 - GONE
Rory Sloane 2008 - Maybe
Ricky Henderson 2008 - Maybe
Daniel Talia 2009 - Maybe
Jack Gunston 2009 - GONE
Sam Shaw 2009 - Maybe
Jarryd Lyons 2010 - Maybe
Brad Crouch 2011 - Maybe
Sam Kerridge 2011 - Maybe
Rory Atkins 2012 - Maybe
Kyle Hartigan 2012 - Maybe
Matt Crouch 2013 - Maybe
Charlie Cameron 2013 - Maybe
Jake Kelly 2013 - Maybe
Jake Lever 2014 - Maybe
Mitch McGovern 2014 - Maybe
Harry Dear 2014 - Maybe
Reilly O'Brien 2014 - Maybe

The vibe I feel from you is that maybe 25 years isn't a great sample size, possibly so, but even the Freo Dockers with a shorter history can claim a better lot of Interstate Keepers than us, Pavlich, Mundy and Crowley come to mind without thinking too hard, beats us.

 

[footy4ever]

Who they preference?

Is this more verb mangling from the hipster kids?

Filthy hipsters!

 

[footy4ever]

Geelong organised a pick swap so they could get ahead of the two WA teams - and nab Cockatoo.

Just so they could conveniently hand him over to us in the Dangerfield deal.

 

[Sanders]

Dont let the statistics bother you then.
The last three years SA has produced alot of talent which will be judged down the track.
Alot of SA kids didnt get picked up due to size. Rory Laird is a great example. If Adelaide didnt draft him as a rookie, he would be an SANFL player for the rest of his life.
Its not an issue of talent.

Damn you talk s**t

 

[Cleric]

Damn you talk s**t

Rather than a knob comment, how about you put some facts forward instead.
But that would require that you have some facts to add, which clearly you dont.

 

[hendo8888]

I'd personally rather have Dangerfield for 9 years, then lose him now, than draft Ebert and have him for 15 years.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Why does this topic keep popping up.

Its just a horrendous drafting philosophy that will more likely win us the race to mediocrity than the premiership. Ever heard of the saying 'He who dares, WINS'?

 

[hendo8888]

Patrick Dangerfield
Taylor Walker
Rory Sloane
Daniel Talia
All from interstate. You could argue are our best 4 players.
You can lose 1 after 9 years, or you can lose all 4 by not drafting them.

 

[hey shorty]

Currently most of our best players are from elsewhere. Over the years SA has produced some rippers no doubt but currently you'd say only 1 (Wingard) is their teams best players and even that's debatable.

 

[Sanders]

Rather than a knob comment, how about you put some facts forward instead.
But that would require that you have some facts to add, which clearly you dont.

What facts in addition to what has been posted over and over and over and over and over and over and over, do you feel have not been provided?

Not understanding something is not the same as being not provided it

 

[headache1]

What facts in addition to what has been posted over and over and over and over and over and over and over, do you feel have not been provided?

Not understanding something is not the same as being not provided it

I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out the fact that Western Australia has a population that numbers close to 1m greater than ours, making it far easier for the 2 WA clubs to draft homegrown players than it is for the 2 SA clubs to do the same. It never seems to sink in though.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

stenglein = Thommo
Kane Johnson = pick 2
Phill Davis = Brad crouch
Jack Gunston = JJ & Tommy Lynch

Hell yeah!

Tippett = banning of triggy

whoop whoop

Danger = ?

Maybe we should only draft interstate players? I'm now worried the go home factor might dry up!!

Just don't mention the bock compo

Ps. Yes, I know he is a local.


... Just goes to show you can do ok from a crappy situation.

If it wasn't for the loss of draft picks, tippett-gate would have been a big win!

 

[cmndstab]

Kane Johnson 1995 - GONE
Shane Ellen 1995 - Stayed
Ian Perrie 1997 - Stayed
Tyson Stenglein 1998 - GONE
Brett Reilly 2001 - Stayed
Nathan Van Berlo 2004 - Stayed
Ivan Maric 2004 - GONE
Chris Knights 2004 - GONE
Jonathon Griffin 2004 - GONE
Richard Douglas 2005 - Stayed
Kurt Tippett 2006 - GONE
David MacKay 2006 - Stayed
Patrick Dangerfield 2007 - GONE
Andy Otten 2007 - Stayed
Phil Davis 2008 - GONE
Shaun McKernan 2008 - GONE
Rory Sloane 2008 - Maybe
Ricky Henderson 2008 - Maybe
Daniel Talia 2009 - Maybe
Jack Gunston 2009 - GONE
Sam Shaw 2009 - Maybe
Jarryd Lyons 2010 - Maybe
Brad Crouch 2011 - Maybe
Sam Kerridge 2011 - Maybe
Rory Atkins 2012 - Maybe
Kyle Hartigan 2012 - Maybe
Matt Crouch 2013 - Maybe
Charlie Cameron 2013 - Maybe
Jake Kelly 2013 - Maybe
Jake Lever 2014 - Maybe
Mitch McGovern 2014 - Maybe
Harry Dear 2014 - Maybe
Reilly O'Brien 2014 - Maybe

Don't know about this list. McKernan, Griffin, Knights and Maric aren't exactly guns, and each of them only left when we didn't have a use for them anymore. None of them were in our best 22 when they left, and I doubt they would have played ten more games between them if they'd all stayed.


The big departures from that list have been Johnson, Stenglein, Gunston, Tippett, Dangerfield. In the former two cases we were very well compensated for the loss (although we proceeded to use up the Johnson trade on Carey...). Even in Gunston's case when we weren't, we still got some value from the trade. We hopefully will from Dangerfield as well.

It really only hurts so badly when something like the Tippett scenario occurs and we end up with less than nothing - and we brought that on ourselves.

Certainly not a compelling reason to exclude ourselves from the vast majority of the talent pool while the rest of the comp continues to cherry pick the best players from the remaining pool. Sure, we'll end up with less people leaving us... because nobody will want any of our players!

What we need to do is succeed at what we've been trying to do, which is make our club a place players want to stay at, while also doing our best to lure players here whenever possible. That's what successful clubs do. Not cutting off our noses to spite our faces by putting a blanket ban on good interstate players because the occasional one leaves us.

 

[GrommoT]

Was going to start a new thread to post the following below but just realised Scorpus had already done something similar HERE.

So, just bumping and tacking on what I was going to post here .....

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Ok, seeing that the idea of only picking SA born/bred draftees at AFL drafts (in order to remove the go-home factor of our in-demand talented players originating from Vic/WA) has cropped again, let's try to imagine what our list would be like today if we had done so over past seasons.

For this exercise, let's look back as far as the 2005 draft as that is the draft in which the earliest non-SA players drafted by AFC and still on the current (2017) AFC list - namely Richie Douglas.

Based on the Sliding Doors analysis below, our list would be different from the current one as follows:

Taylor Walker
Eddie Betts
Sam Jacobs
Rhys Stanley -----> Rory Sloane
Jimmy Toumpas -----> Brad Crouch
Sean Lemmens -----> Matt Crouch]
Cory Gregson -----> Mitch McGovern
Sam Durdin -----> Jake Lever
Christian Howard -----> Daniel Talia
Mitch Clisby -----> Kyle Hartigan
Luke Reynolds -----> Charlie Cameron
Sam Colquhoun -----> Rory Atkins
Levi Greenwood -----> Andy Otten
Lindsay Thomas -----> David Mackay
Cleve Hughes -----> Richard Douglas
Rory Laird
Brodie Smith
Riley Knight
Josh Jenkins
Scott Thompson
Ryan Burton -----> Tom Doedee
Will Hayward -----> Jordan Gallucci
Brad Ebert -----> Wayne Milera
Luke Davis -----> Myles Poholke
Brad Ebert -----> Troy Menzel
Zachary Bates -----> Jake Kelly
noone -----> Hugh Greenwood
noone -----> Alex Keath
Harrison Wigg
Paul Seedsman
Luke Brown
Curtly Hampton
Kyle Cheney
Tom Lynch
Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Willie Rioli -----> Elliot Himmelberg
Sam Draper -----> Matthew Signorello
noone -----> Dean Gore
Josh Glenn -----> Harry Dear
Ben Jarman -----> Ben Davis
Tom Read -----> Reilly O'Brien
Jono Beech
Luke Surman -----> Paul Hunter

We may also have on our list:

Matthew Westhoff
Matthew Broadbent

So looks like CURRENT ACTUAL LIST >>>>>>>>>> ALT DRAFT SA-ONLY LIST

On the other hand, a draft SA-only policy would probably lead us to having very low digit draft picks.

Spoiler: Sliding Doors analysis (long!)

At the risk of becoming complete asses, let's make the following assumptions:

[a1] AFC's drafters have same views of player talent as other club's drafters (hence supports assumption [a2]).

[a2] At each AFC pick that was a non-SA player in reality, swap with the next SA player picked by another club at a later pick.
- The non-SA player that AFC picked in reality could well have been be picked by that other club (or another).

[a3] Club draft positions are pretty much as they have been - but let's allow AFC some leeway to be a bit lower in some cases.
- If our SA-only list doesn't seem as strong as thay have actually been, could argure that we would have finished lower over the past seasons.

[a4] Port does not have a draft-SA only policy

[a5] AFC trading in non-SA players is ok.
- Since a player willing to come to Adelaide is ok in our eyes.


So the draft/PSD/rookie changes could have been as follows. (Ignoring rookie promotions, retirements, delistings, or the player types drafted)

2005
---
DRAFTED: D.Pfeifer, Cleve Hughes, B.Vince, A.Obst; [PSD]: J.Porplyzia; [R]: B.Sugars, T.Redden, S.Elliott
INSTEAD OF: R.Douglas, A.Bonaddio
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Cleve Hughes <--> R.Douglas

2006
---
DRAFTED: J.Sellar, Chris Schmidt, L.Thomas, N.Gill, B.Campbell; [R]: A.McIntyre, J.Turner, R.Archard, G.Gallman
INSTEAD OF: K.Tippett, D.Mackay
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Chris Schmidt <--> K.Tippett, Lindsay Thomas <--> D.Mackay

2007
---
DRAFTED: B.Ebert, L.Greenwood, M.Westhoff, T.McNamara, T.Walker (nominally SA); [PSD]: S.Welsh; [R]: J.Moss, J.Petrenko
INSTEAD OF: P.Dangerfield, A.Otten, J.Jacky, M.Cook, T.Armstrong; [R]: Ed Curnow, R.Willits, B.Martin
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Patrick Dangerfield <--> Brad Ebert, Levi Greenwood <--> Andy Otten, Matthew Westhoff <--> Jarrhan Jacky, Tom McNamara <--> Myke Cook, ??? <--> Tony Armstrong, Ryan Willits <--> Ed Curnow
TRADED IN: B.Moran, B.Symes

2008
---
DRAFTED: P.Davis, M.Broadbent, R.Stanley, R.O'Keeffe, P.Cahill; [R]: A.Varcoe, B.Donnelly (Ireland)
INSTEAD OF: S.McKernan, R.Sloane, T.Lee, W.Young, R.Henderson
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Matthew Broadbent <--> Shaun McKernan, Rhys Stanley <--> Rory Sloane, Rhys O'Keeffe <--> Tom Lee, Paul Cahill <--> Will Young, Adam Varcoe <--> Ricky Henderson
TRADED IN:

2009
---
DRAFTED: C.Howard, J.Bollenhagen, B.Sumner, J.Craig
INSTEAD OF: D.Talia, J.Gunston, S.Shaw; [R]: Luke Thompson, P.Contin, M.Wright, M.Jaensch
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Christian Howard <--> Daniel Talia, Justin Bollenhagen <--> Jack Gunston, Byron Sumner <--> Sam Shaw, Pat Contin <--> Luke Thompson
TRADED IN:

2010
---
DRAFTED: B.Smith, L.Davis; [R]: T.Milera, J.von Bertouch, L.Roach, I.Callinan, S.Martyn
INSTEAD OF: J.Lyons
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Luke Davis <--> Jarryd Lyons
TRADED IN: R.Tambling, S.Jacobs

2011
---
DRAFTED: L.Brown & J.Toumpas (mini-draft), A.Forster, N.Joyce, C.Ellis-Yolmen; [R]: R.Laird, C.Shenton, T.McIntyre
INSTEAD OF: B.Crouch (mini-draft & AFC 2011 pick 10), S.Kerridge; [R]: D.Orval
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Jimmy Toumpas <--> Brad Crouch, Alex Forster <--> Sam Kerridge, Cameron Shenton <--> Dylan Orval
TRADED IN: Tom Lynch (for I.Maric), J.Jenkins (assume we did this trade somehow)
NOTES:
- A messy year to figure out
- would have been unable to trade Jack Gunston for picks 24,46,64 (pick 24 was on-traded for GC's picks 27, 31 and 68)
- AFC retain picks 53, 71
- also unable to trade in L.Johnston (with T.Armstrong)
- AFC probably retains pick 35
- assume AFC somehow picks A.Forster instead of S.Kerridge and somehow ends up with picks 46, 64 (actual, and so no Mitch Grigg drafted)

2012
---
- the Tippet years!
DRAFTED: K.Brand, S.Colquhoun; [R]: M.Clisby, J.Osborn, T.Klaosen
INSTEAD OF: S.Siggins, R.Atkins; [R]: Kyle Hartigan
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Kaiden Brand <--> Sam Siggins, Sam Colquhoun <--> Rory Atkins, Mitch Clisby <--> Kyle Hartigan
TRADED IN:

2013
---
- the Tippet years!
DRAFTED: S.Lemmens, R.Knight; [R]: Luke Reynolds, J.Battersby, Z.Bates, A.Spina
INSTEAD OF: M.Crouch; [R]: C.Cameron, Jake Kelly
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Sean Lemmens <--> Matt Crouch, Luke Reynolds <--> Charlie Cameron, Zachary Bates <--> Jake Kelly
TRADED IN: J.Podsiadly

2014
---
DRAFTED: S.Durdin, H.Wigg, C.Gregson (doubt AFC would have picked C.Daniel), Josh Glenn; [R]: T.Read, K.Ramsey, A.Wilson
INSTEAD OF: J.Lever, M.McGovern, H.Dear, R.O'Brien
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Sam Durdin <--> Jake Lever, Cory Gregson <--> Mitch McGovern, Josh Glenn <--> Harry Dear, Tom Read <--> Reilly O'Brien
TRADED IN: K.Cheney, L.Lowden

2015
---
DRAFTED: R.Burton, Jordan Dawson; [R]: L.Surman, J.Beech,
INSTEAD OF: T.Doedee; [R]: P.Hunter, H.Greenwood, A.Keath
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Ryan Burton <--> Tom Doedee, Luke Surman <--> Paul Hunter, noone <--> Hugh Greenwood, noone <--> Alex Keath
TRADED IN: C.Hampton, P.Seedsman
NOTES:
- could not have traded out P.Dangerfield for pick 9 & 28 (-->W.Milera, T.Menzel) so Brad Ebert <--> Wayne Milera & Troy Menzel
- AFC would have retained pick 51

2016
---
DRAFTED: W.Hayward, W.Rioli; [R]: S.Draper ???, B.Jarman
INSTEAD OF: J.Gallucci, E.Himmelberg, M.Signorello, Ben Davis
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Will Hayward <--> Jordan Gallucci, Willie Rioli <--> Elliot Himmelberg, Sam Draper <--> Matthew Signorello, Ben Jarman <--> Ben Davis
TRADED IN:
NOTES:
- would not have pick 43 (GC trade for J.Lyons) so Luke Davis <--> Myles Poholke
- not sure if AFC should have pick 62 (M.Signorello)

 

[Scorpus]

Was going to start a new thread to post the following below but just realised Scorpus had already done something similar HERE.

So, just bumping and tacking on what I was going to post here .....

-----

Ok, seeing that the idea of only picking SA born/bred draftees at AFL drafts (in order to remove the go-home factor of our in-demand talented players originating from Vic/WA) has cropped again, let's try to imagine what our list would be like today if we had done so over past seasons.

For this exercise, let's look back as far as the 2005 draft as that is the draft in which the earliest non-SA players drafted by AFC and still on the current (2017) AFC list - namely Richie Douglas.

Based on the Sliding Doors analysis below, our list would be different from the current one as follows:

Taylor Walker
Eddie Betts
Sam Jacobs
Rhys Stanley -----> Rory Sloane
Jimmy Toumpas -----> Brad Crouch
Sean Lemmens -----> Matt Crouch]
Cory Gregson -----> Mitch McGovern
Sam Durdin -----> Jake Lever
Christian Howard -----> Daniel Talia
Mitch Clisby -----> Kyle Hartigan
Luke Reynolds -----> Charlie Cameron
Sam Colquhoun -----> Rory Atkins
Levi Greenwood -----> Andy Otten
Lindsay Thomas -----> David Mackay
Cleve Hughes -----> Richard Douglas
Rory Laird
Brodie Smith
Riley Knight
Josh Jenkins
Scott Thompson
Ryan Burton -----> Tom Doedee
Will Hayward -----> Jordan Gallucci
Brad Ebert -----> Wayne Milera
Luke Davis -----> Myles Poholke
Brad Ebert -----> Troy Menzel
Zachary Bates -----> Jake Kelly
noone -----> Hugh Greenwood
noone -----> Alex Keath
Harrison Wigg
Paul Seedsman
Luke Brown
Curtly Hampton
Kyle Cheney
Tom Lynch
Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Willie Rioli -----> Elliot Himmelberg
Sam Draper -----> Matthew Signorello
noone -----> Dean Gore
Josh Glenn -----> Harry Dear
Ben Jarman -----> Ben Davis
Tom Read -----> Reilly O'Brien
Jono Beech
Luke Surman -----> Paul Hunter

We may also have on our list:

Matthew Westhoff
Matthew Broadbent

So looks like CURRENT ACTUAL LIST >>>>>>>>>> ALT DRAFT SA-ONLY LIST

On the other hand, a draft SA-only policy would probably lead us to having very low digit draft picks.

Spoiler: Sliding Doors analysis (long!)

View attachment 389127

At the risk of becoming complete asses, let's make the following assumptions:

[a1] AFC's drafters have same views of player talent as other club's drafters (hence supports assumption [a2]).

[a2] At each AFC pick that was a non-SA player in reality, swap with the next SA player picked by another club at a later pick.
- The non-SA player that AFC picked in reality could well have been be picked by that other club (or another).

[a3] Club draft positions are pretty much as they have been - but let's allow AFC some leeway to be a bit lower in some cases.
- If our SA-only list doesn't seem as strong as thay have actually been, could argure that we would have finished lower over the past seasons.

[a4] Port does not have a draft-SA only policy

[a5] AFC trading in non-SA players is ok.
- Since a player willing to come to Adelaide is ok in our eyes.


So the draft/PSD/rookie changes could have been as follows. (Ignoring rookie promotions, retirements, delistings, or the player types drafted)

2005
---
DRAFTED: D.Pfeifer, Cleve Hughes, B.Vince, A.Obst; [PSD]: J.Porplyzia; [R]: B.Sugars, T.Redden, S.Elliott
INSTEAD OF: R.Douglas, A.Bonaddio
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Cleve Hughes <--> R.Douglas

2006
---
DRAFTED: J.Sellar, Chris Schmidt, L.Thomas, N.Gill, B.Campbell; [R]: A.McIntyre, J.Turner, R.Archard, G.Gallman
INSTEAD OF: K.Tippett, D.Mackay
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Chris Schmidt <--> K.Tippett, Lindsay Thomas <--> D.Mackay

2007
---
DRAFTED: B.Ebert, L.Greenwood, M.Westhoff, T.McNamara, T.Walker (nominally SA); [PSD]: S.Welsh; [R]: J.Moss, J.Petrenko
INSTEAD OF: P.Dangerfield, A.Otten, J.Jacky, M.Cook, T.Armstrong; [R]: Ed Curnow, R.Willits, B.Martin
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Patrick Dangerfield <--> Brad Ebert, Levi Greenwood <--> Andy Otten, Matthew Westhoff <--> Jarrhan Jacky, Tom McNamara <--> Myke Cook, ??? <--> Tony Armstrong, Ryan Willits <--> Ed Curnow
TRADED IN: B.Moran, B.Symes

2008
---
DRAFTED: P.Davis, M.Broadbent, R.Stanley, R.O'Keeffe, P.Cahill; [R]: A.Varcoe, B.Donnelly (Ireland)
INSTEAD OF: S.McKernan, R.Sloane, T.Lee, W.Young, R.Henderson
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Matthew Broadbent <--> Shaun McKernan, Rhys Stanley <--> Rory Sloane, Rhys O'Keeffe <--> Tom Lee, Paul Cahill <--> Will Young, Adam Varcoe <--> Ricky Henderson
TRADED IN:

2009
---
DRAFTED: C.Howard, J.Bollenhagen, B.Sumner, J.Craig
INSTEAD OF: D.Talia, J.Gunston, S.Shaw; [R]: Luke Thompson, P.Contin, M.Wright, M.Jaensch
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Christian Howard <--> Daniel Talia, Justin Bollenhagen <--> Jack Gunston, Byron Sumner <--> Sam Shaw, Pat Contin <--> Luke Thompson
TRADED IN:

2010
---
DRAFTED: B.Smith, L.Davis; [R]: T.Milera, J.von Bertouch, L.Roach, I.Callinan, S.Martyn
INSTEAD OF: J.Lyons
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Luke Davis <--> Jarryd Lyons
TRADED IN: R.Tambling, S.Jacobs

2011
---
DRAFTED: L.Brown & J.Toumpas (mini-draft), A.Forster, N.Joyce, C.Ellis-Yolmen; [R]: R.Laird, C.Shenton, T.McIntyre
INSTEAD OF: B.Crouch (mini-draft & AFC 2011 pick 10), S.Kerridge; [R]: D.Orval
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Jimmy Toumpas <--> Brad Crouch, Alex Forster <--> Sam Kerridge, Cameron Shenton <--> Dylan Orval
TRADED IN: Tom Lynch (for I.Maric), J.Jenkins (assume we did this trade somehow)
NOTES:
- A messy year to figure out
- would have been unable to trade Jack Gunston for picks 24,46,64 (pick 24 was on-traded for GC's picks 27, 31 and 68)
- AFC retain picks 53, 71
- also unable to trade in L.Johnston (with T.Armstrong)
- AFC probably retains pick 35
- assume AFC somehow picks A.Forster instead of S.Kerridge and somehow ends up with picks 46, 64 (actual, and so no Mitch Grigg drafted)

2012
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- the Tippet years!
DRAFTED: K.Brand, S.Colquhoun; [R]: M.Clisby, J.Osborn, T.Klaosen
INSTEAD OF: S.Siggins, R.Atkins; [R]: Kyle Hartigan
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Kaiden Brand <--> Sam Siggins, Sam Colquhoun <--> Rory Atkins, Mitch Clisby <--> Kyle Hartigan
TRADED IN:

2013
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- the Tippet years!
DRAFTED: S.Lemmens, R.Knight; [R]: Luke Reynolds, J.Battersby, Z.Bates, A.Spina
INSTEAD OF: M.Crouch; [R]: C.Cameron, Jake Kelly
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Sean Lemmens <--> Matt Crouch, Luke Reynolds <--> Charlie Cameron, Zachary Bates <--> Jake Kelly
TRADED IN: J.Podsiadly

2014
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DRAFTED: S.Durdin, H.Wigg, C.Gregson (doubt AFC would have picked C.Daniel), Josh Glenn; [R]: T.Read, K.Ramsey, A.Wilson
INSTEAD OF: J.Lever, M.McGovern, H.Dear, R.O'Brien
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Sam Durdin <--> Jake Lever, Cory Gregson <--> Mitch McGovern, Josh Glenn <--> Harry Dear, Tom Read <--> Reilly O'Brien
TRADED IN: K.Cheney, L.Lowden

2015
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DRAFTED: R.Burton, Jordan Dawson; [R]: L.Surman, J.Beech,
INSTEAD OF: T.Doedee; [R]: P.Hunter, H.Greenwood, A.Keath
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Ryan Burton <--> Tom Doedee, Luke Surman <--> Paul Hunter, noone <--> Hugh Greenwood, noone <--> Alex Keath
TRADED IN: C.Hampton, P.Seedsman
NOTES:
- could not have traded out P.Dangerfield for pick 9 & 28 (-->W.Milera, T.Menzel) so Brad Ebert <--> Wayne Milera & Troy Menzel
- AFC would have retained pick 51

2016
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DRAFTED: W.Hayward, W.Rioli; [R]: S.Draper ???, B.Jarman
INSTEAD OF: J.Gallucci, E.Himmelberg, M.Signorello, Ben Davis
MOST SIGNIFICANT: Will Hayward <--> Jordan Gallucci, Willie Rioli <--> Elliot Himmelberg, Sam Draper <--> Matthew Signorello, Ben Jarman <--> Ben Davis
TRADED IN:
NOTES:
- would not have pick 43 (GC trade for J.Lyons) so Luke Davis <--> Myles Poholke
- not sure if AFC should have pick 62 (M.Signorello)

Might need to retract my call on Daniel over McGovern.

 

[GrommoT]

 

[TrainRoo32]

We have to Draft Mitch Crowden!
Has the name for it

 

[Shaz2012]

If we followed a principle of only drafting the SA kids available to us we would be perpetually a bottom 4 team. Other clubs wouldn't stop taking SA kids so we just severely limit our pool and put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage.

We could position ourselves as a hardball trader. Be willing to send players to the draft if we are not getting fair value. Dont think you can call getting a player that has multiple clubs fighting over him a mistake. That is actually a compliment and a good position to be in. But we need to work harder to get fair value for the trade.

We should be looking at what pick that player will be getting picked up in the draft. I doubt Danger would have made it all the way to Geelong's first pick. Another club could have just picked him up and forced Geelong to trade with them the following year. We should have got at least 2 good firsts for Danger. including a top 5 pick. We should be getting a top 3 pick or two top 10 picks for Lever if he is worth $1m a year to another club. We should be getting a top 10 pick for McGovern. Eventually, some of those recycled picks that get will stay with us.

Agree that we should be maneuvering to get someone like Rankine now. Seems to always be talked about as one of our best even now. If that means swapping 2017 picks for a higher 2018 pick. But of course very hard to know where these kids will end up.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

So we could of had Cory Gregson and Cleve Hughes! My god what have we done!