Drafting skillful midfielders

[ant555]

And FWIW if Carlton get the priority pick and say we finish 10th-8th I think we should trade away our first pick because the cream of the midfielders will be gone.

Trade for a skillful midfielder.

If you have a pick in the first 12 you will get a get a good midfielder. Carlton are not going to pick two mids given they have taken Gibbs and Murphy at number 1 in the last two drafts. Richmond look like they will go tall first.
Even with Carlton getting a priority pick in round 1 we will still be looking at around pick 7 to 10 if we finish just in or just out of the 8 .
Besides how many skillfull midfielders are there that will be looking for a new club or that clubs will want to trade ?

What about Luke Power?

There was talk about him coming back last year.....

Maybe Brisbane would like to deal seeing he still has a bit of value.

Talk was all it was.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

If you have a pick in the first 12 you will get a get a good midfielder. Carlton are not going to pick two mids given they have taken Gibbs and Murphy at number 1 in the last two drafts. Richmond look like they will go tall first.
Even with Carlton getting a priority pick in round 1 we will still be looking at around pick 7 to 10 if we finish just in or just out of the 8 .
Besides how many skillfull midfielders are there that will be looking for a new club or that clubs will want to trade ?

Not necessarily. Look at the previous drafts and you see a Bartel and Selwood there but a lot of hit and miss. Both of those in strong drafts.

It's probably a 50% chance you get a 100 gamer and a 10% chance you get a gun.

Carlton will take a Ruckman + mid. Richmond will take the next best and that will be another mid - they have to cover for the Tambling mistake. Melbourne will do the same.

From what I've read this draft is short on KPP and tall talent so the cream of the midfielders will get picked off before we have a pick.

I say put our No. 1 pick out there and see what we get in return.

 

[ant555]

Not necessarily. Look at the previous drafts and you see a Bartel and Selwood there but a lot of hit and miss. Both of those in strong drafts.

It's probably a 50% chance you get a 100 gamer and a 10% chance you get a gun.

Carlton will take a Ruckman + mid. Richmond will take the next best and that will be another mid - they have to cover for the Tambling mistake. Melbourne will do the same.

From what I've read this draft is short on KPP and tall talent so the cream of the midfielders will get picked off before we have a pick.

I say put our No. 1 pick out there and see what we get in return.

Well i am not basing my opinion on what i have read. I am basing it on the fact that i have seen most of the players touted as top 20 picks play 4 or more games.This years draft hasnt got the depth of talls that last years draft but there are several talls that are in the mix for top 15.Guys like Kreuzer , Henderson,Rance,McEvoy and Collier have all been mention as possible picks inside the top 15. The we have the fact that there is Cotchin ,Morton ,Masten ,Rioli ,Palmer ,Selwood and Ebert for midfielders .Trust me there will be good midfielders left when we have a pick. Yes the draft can be hit and miss but so can trading for players who are not excatly fitting in with other clubs. Lets face it how many clubs have got really good value by giving up first round picks compared with picking up decent young players?

 

[Daytripper]

I dont think he is , there are some midfielders in this draft that will go between 1 and 15 or so that i belive will be better than McPhee.
McPhee knows how to find the footy and can mark well but he hasnt got an extremely quick footy brain and has struggled to fill specific tasks he has been given at times.
I wouldnt see anyone giving up anything before pick 12 for McPhee.

Mate, as you know the draft is very hit and miss.
There are no guarantees.

Some names of midfielders drafted between 4 and 12 between 2002 and 2005.
Jarrad McVeigh, Steven Salopek, Luke Brennan, Farren Ray, Raph Clarke, Kane Tenace, David Trotter, Ryley Dunn, Colin Sylvia, Richard Tambling, Jordan Russell, Chris Egan, Adam Thomsen, Danny Meyer, Jarred Oakley Nicholls.

I would not trade McPhee heads up for any of them (except for maybe Salopek).

There's a lot of failures there and a lot of good, ordinary footballers who couldn't hold a candle to McPhee.

 

[David_Hilley#19]

Well i am not basing my opinion on what i have read. I am basing it on the fact that i have seen most of the players touted as top 20 picks play 4 or more games.This years draft hasnt got the depth of talls that last years draft but there are several talls that are in the mix for top 15.Guys like Kreuzer , Henderson,Rance,McEvoy and Collier have all been mention as possible picks inside the top 15. The we have the fact that there is Cotchin ,Morton ,Masten ,Rioli ,Palmer ,Selwood and Ebert for midfielders .Trust me there will be good midfielders left when we have a pick. Yes the draft can be hit and miss but so can trading for players who are not excatly fitting in with other clubs. Lets face it how many clubs have got really good value by giving up first round picks compared with picking up decent young players?

Very true there should be a couple of good midfielders left over with guys like the talls you have mentioned(BTW Kreuzer is as good as the hype he is getting. I have seen him play few times and certainly shows very good signs as a tall). It would not be worth trading our top draft pick for a player at another club given that there will most likely be some good midfielders left by the time we get a choice.

 

[Barts]

Lee was a second round pick behind Monfries (midfielder)who was our first round pick.

Kepler was taken at 6 but we also took Stanton (midfielder) first round at 13. Stanton is clearly better than Tenace who was our likely pick at 6 if we didnt take Bradley.

The year we drafted Ryder we also took Dempsey with our other first round pick.

We drafted 5 midfielders after Gumby. Somehow i dont see your argument stacking up.

I thought we would have taken Brock McLean. We were pretty keen on him weren't we??

 

[ant555]

Mate, as you know the draft is very hit and miss.
There are no guarantees.

Some names of midfielders drafted between 4 and 12 between 2002 and 2005.
Jarrad McVeigh, Steven Salopek, Luke Brennan, Farren Ray, Raph Clarke, Kane Tenace, David Trotter, Ryley Dunn, Colin Sylvia, Richard Tambling, Jordan Russell, Chris Egan, Adam Thomsen, Danny Meyer, Jarred Oakley Nicholls.

I would not trade McPhee heads up for any of them (except for maybe Salopek).

There's a lot of failures there and a lot of good, ordinary footballers who couldn't hold a candle to McPhee.

Seriously i think you are letting your faith in McPhee blind you a bit . He has got some serious question marks on him. Injury or not he hasnt done a lot in the last 3 years. He has played some better footy this year but he hasnt stepped up to be one of our genuine leaders . How many games has he had since 2004 that he has genuinly stared and been the one player who has been the difference between winning and losing ?
He has been described in several quarters as not being a very smart footballer and i have heard that one of our assistants described him the same way.

 

[ant555]

I thought we would have taken Brock McLean. We were pretty keen on him weren't we??

We may well have been but he went at pick 5 and we had pick 6. Cant draft someone who has already been taken

 

[Longy413]

Some names of midfielders drafted between 4 and 12 between 2002 and 2005.
Jarrad McVeigh, Steven Salopek, Luke Brennan, Farren Ray, Raph Clarke, Kane Tenace, David Trotter, Ryley Dunn, Colin Sylvia, Richard Tambling, Jordan Russell, Chris Egan, Adam Thomsen, Danny Meyer, Jarred Oakley Nicholls.

Get him!!!

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

I havn't seen that much of Trotter Longy, what do you see in him and why do you want him at Essendon?

 

[GoDons]

Bolton has been one of the more successful draft picks. 123 games is a massive success for any draftee.

Perhaps not a massive success, but Bolts would probably rate around the fringe of the top 20 picks in that draft in hindsight which isn't too bad.

We may have missed out on some stars, but at least we got a servicebale player out of it. It wasn't the blunder a lot of people make it out to be.

 

[David_Hilley#19]

Perhaps not a massive success, but Bolts would probably rate around the fringe of the top 20 picks in that draft in hindsight which isn't too bad.

We may have missed out on some stars, but at least we got a servicebale player out of it. It wasn't the blunder a lot of people make it out to be.

If you look at some of the players selected behind him he certainly wasn;t the best pick.
But you can see why he was chosen; he's tall and is a brilliant athlete

 

[Longy413]

I havn't seen that much of Trotter Longy, what do you see in him and why do you want him at Essendon?

Tallish, skillful midfielder.

He's had some injury problems and is bound to come cheap. If not free.

But he's got talent, in a weak draft he'd be worth looking at. If he was 17 again, he'd go top five in this draft on his junior form.

He can also play forward, good on the lead and has good hands.

 

[David_Hilley#19]

Tallish, skillful midfielder.

He's had some injury problems and is bound to come cheap. If not free.

But he's got talent, in a weak draft he'd be worth looking at. If he was 17 again, he'd go top five in this draft on his junior form.

He can also play forward, good on the lead and has good hands.

How old is he now?

 

[VanDerHaar]

Dodoro is not to blame, Sheeds has always said that KPP's are hard to find and midfielders are a dime a dozen.....!!

 

[Longy413]

How old is he now?

Twenty-one.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

All the guys on the Kanga's board think he may be delisted (but hoping he isn't), so you may be right, we could get him relatively cheap.

 

[Daytripper]

Tallish, skillful midfielder.

He's had some injury problems and is bound to come cheap. If not free.

But he's got talent, in a weak draft he'd be worth looking at. If he was 17 again, he'd go top five in this draft on his junior form.

He can also play forward, good on the lead and has good hands.

Would consider him in the PSD.

I don't mind the club taking a punt on 21 and 22yo's.
Some footballers develop later than others.

 

[DaSawx]

Especially if they don't cost much. We want to win games, and a good 21 yo would help more than a good 18 yo

 

[ant555]

Would consider him in the PSD.

I don't mind the club taking a punt on 21 and 22yo's.
Some footballers develop later than others.

Would much rather be taking him with pick 5 or 6 in the national draft than some of the TAC Cup boys.

 

[Daytripper]

Would much rather be taking him with pick 5 or 6 in the national draft than some of the TAC Cup boys.

I assume you meant our pick 5 or 6 - not 5 or 6 overall.

If so might be worth a punt as pick 50 or higher.

 

[David_Hilley#19]

Would consider him in the PSD.

I don't mind the club taking a punt on 21 and 22yo's.
Some footballers develop later than others.

Alwyn Davey was 22 and look how he has turned out. I agree there is no real problem with a 21 year old.

 

[ant555]

I assume you meant our pick 5 or 6 - not 5 or 6 overall.

If so might be worth a punt as pick 50 or higher.

Yes sorry 5th or 6th rounder at the national draft

 

[tomcitizen]

Trotter is absolutely worth a punt. He's a lovely kick, and would fit in well to the midfield gang.

Freo's Ryley Dunn is another who's very talented and has had a horrible run with injuries. Contracted til the end of next year but if his luck keeps up, he could be another one who's worth adding to the mix. He's a Vic boy and supported the Dons as a kid.

 

[ant555]

Trotter is absolutely worth a punt. He's a lovely kick, and would fit in well to the midfield gang.

Freo's Ryley Dunn is another who's very talented and has had a horrible run with injuries. Contracted til the end of next year but if his luck keeps up, he could be another one who's worth adding to the mix. He's a Vic boy and supported the Dons as a kid.

I am a wrap for Dunn's ability but i have serious reservations over the fact that he is extremly injury prone.