Drafting

[nahnah]

I don’t remember Rioli being hidden either he was just fat

Still is, the little fatty can play tho

 

[sr36]

Not sure why I did this but looking at our list, doesn't look too hopeful for the future when this is half our list. (Games played under 40).
Sure there are a couple of 'gems' in Daicos and Quaynor but unless there are a couple more, I am pretty much prepared for disappointment in the next three years no matter who is coach.

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Yep. We're in a pretty bad position list wise - our current group is very likely to deteriorate over the next couple of years, before we can expect any bounce back.

 

[piemad1]

Wondering what the club will focus on in mid season draft. State league games have started so will be watching with interest.
Tyson Stengle

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kicked 4 today. Got his issues but may grab a second chance.

 

[stormskye]

Wondering what the club will focus on in mid season draft. State league games have started so will be watching with interest.
Tyson Stengle kicked 4 today. Got his issues but may grab a second chance.

Could be a risk worth taking, fits two needs. Small forward and an indigenous talent!

 

[Gone Critical]

Reality says getting a role player is probably the best we can hope for.

 

[cityslick1]

I don’t remember Rioli being hidden either he was just fat

I think its more about a 'go home' factor, than being hidden. Oscar Allen won best player in a division of the U18 carnival - whatever it was called then. So he wasnt hidden. Just wasnt worth the risk of a top ten pick by a non-WA club, when he'd prob go home after 2 years. Its why Carlton's pick of Cripps was impressive... we took the home grown speedy mid (Freeman) whilst they took the gamble on the pudgey WA ball magnet at 13, and turned him into a club captain and passionate blues man.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

List of players (according to Footywire) whose contracts are due for renewal at the end of this year. How many would you renew from this list (excluding newbies)? Noble, Cameron, Cox, Sier? Magden? Depending on Pendlebury's body and form, most likely another year. Not very exciting.

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I dont see massive list changes next year.

Mayne might retire,
I'd like to see another year for Greenwood,
Thomas might be done
Lynch might look for another club
God knows what happens with Sier but I hope he stays
The rest should stay depending upon their VFL year

 

[pablo disco bar]

I dont see massive list changes next year.

Mayne might retire,
I'd like to see another year for Greenwood,
Thomas might be done
Lynch might look for another club
God knows what happens with Sier but I hope he stays
The rest should stay depending upon their VFL year

Greenwood cooked retire

Mayne if not retire ...delist

Sier trade for pick 108


Lynch 5 years of work will go to gold Coast or a Sydney team probably

Hoskin Elliott and Thomas delist

And some gun will wanna be traded

 

[Billys Back]

The lack of young talent is exactly why the club saw a need to go in strong and get active in the last draft.

After watching their first VFL game yesterday, I think the recruits of 2020 are looking exciting.

All it takes is 1 good draft to get a club back on track. Add to that the best player in the 2021 draft and another highly rated NGA player in Dibbs, and we can build up quickly.

 

[jackcass]

I just can’t work out what we’re doing with our selection bc our coaching / players are the same but we’re expecting different results
Someone summed it up in the autopsy thread - if we lost playing our kids, the mood would be completely different

Really happy with watch we did at the draft 2020 but the preceding years have hurt us badly - I’m angry about our first round picks (Beams / Treloar / Stevo) out the door

Make a play for a young gun forward like McDonald, rejuvenate the midfield, get some speed in F50
To do so, we’re going to have give something, so do it.
Do something

Play the kids? We had 8 players with <50 games including Macrae debuting and McCreery and Keane playing their 2nd game.

 

[TradeDraft]

All I will say is Poulter and McMahon better be bloody good players because right now we have given the giants pick 6 and that's after 4 games with a healthy list

Poulter Impressed in the VFL yesterday and McMahon had some Promising Moments/Glimpses

 

[jackcass]

For a bit of perspective for those worrying Collingwoood are bucking a trend by not playing their youngsters consider this

In 2019 our draft picks were 40, Rantall, 45 Bianco and 55 Ruscoe. Kids picked in this range don't play early and a fair number hardly play at all. We need to be patient

Currently of the 16 players picked between 40 and 55 or Rantall to Ruscoe 4 of them have debuted. The games totals for these 4 is 1, 2, 5 and 6 respectively. Trey Ruscoe has played more games than any player picked form pick 40-55 in the 2019 draft with a total of 6. They will play when and if they become ready. Collingwood are not holding our youngsters back even if the press is trying to create an issue with it.

Ive always been someone who’d prefer we draft over trade, but you only have to look at the plethora of posters on these boards suggesting we continue to invest in NQR players from other clubs to realize there’s an obsession with the quick fix. Every club tries to do it and all too frequently end up having to change tack and go back to the draft. Bombers this year another classic example. Brought in Smith, Sheil, Saad, Stringer and Stewart (maybe it was a surnames starting with S philosophy) but this year realized they needed to hit the draft hard. Premiership sides generally draft the core playing group.

 

[TradeDraft]

IF we can't draft a KPP in the Mid-Season Draft should we try and Draft a Inside Mid who can Win Clearnces like Adams?

 

[SchuPie]

Play the kids? We had 8 players with <50 games including Macrae debuting and McCreery and Keane playing their 2nd game.

Didn’t I post this before McCreery was selected for his first game?
Things have changed since

 

[jackcass]

Didn’t I post this before McCreery was selected for his first game?
Things have changed since

Yeah, sorry, my bad. Was away over Easter so catching up and just responding to posts as I read them.

 

[stormskye]

This is a drafting thread not politics thanks

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Regardless of whether we could have obtained more for our 2021 first, the lack of exposure to the Victorian kids and to a certain extent those playing interstate (decreased funding to recruiting departments with cost cutting?) presents an opportunity to gain additional value at the draft table. There would have been far more variance in draft boards in 2020, meaning if you’re the team that gets it right, the rewards could be unusually high.

For that reason, if we really rated Poulter and McMahon, I’m ok with taking a swing. For reasons to do with list management incompetence, trading away of first-rounders in multiple years, and use of the rookie list as a hospital ward for aging veterans rather than prospective talent, we had a dearth of young kids pushing for selection, no succession plan for Pendlebury and Sidebottom, and hadn’t drafted a decent key tall forward prospect who wasn’t a father-son since Chris Tarrant

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(the fact that Hine picked McMahon based on need, suggests they didn’t rate him so highly that we simply had to cough up for him, but I digress).

17 teams fail every year, and to win it all you have to be prepared to zig when others zag. Investing in 2020 could turn out to be a great move. We’re already seeing debuts from a few, and others standing out in practice matches and the VFL, so hopefully this is our new recruits putting the writing on the wall.

 

[Markfs]

We played west coast in the final just over 2 years ago... the contrast between the lists now is concrete proof that that part of of the business is not working properly. While all the media commentators and many of the people here focus on the coach, we have proof that recruitment, development, trading are nowhere near the standard of west coast. The irony is that they won the premiership and yet are going again for another..... Isn't it supposed to be the loser who is motivated to go again?

It's easy to be critical of keeping average players in the team, but we've been picking teams from 30 players for years now, because of injury problems and because the players in the VFL weren't up to standard. You can only blame the coach for so much.

 

[sr36]

For that reason, if we really rated Poulter and McMahon, I’m ok with taking a swing. For reasons to do with list management incompetence, trading away of first-rounders in multiple years, and use of the rookie list as a hospital ward for aging veterans rather than prospective talent, we had a dearth of young kids pushing for selection, no succession plan for Pendlebury and Sidebottom, and hadn’t drafted a decent key tall forward prospect who wasn’t a father-son since Chris Tarrant (the fact that Hine picked McMahon based on need, suggests they didn’t rate him so highly that we simply had to cough up for him, but I digress).

Before selecting Poulter, we bid on an academy kid and then traded the pick down twice. It doesn't look like we viewed him as a must have bargain either.

 

[Markfs]

Before selecting Poulter, we bid on an academy kid and then traded the pick down twice. It doesn't look like we viewed him as a must have bargain either.

At least he's taller than 178cm....so dont spook the recruiters or they might rivert to usual form.

 

[sr36]

At least he's taller than 178cm....so dont spook the recruiters or they might rivert to usual form.

I'd be stoked if we picked up a couple of sub 178cm pacy blokes with skill who get front and centre.

 

[Markfs]

I'd be stoked if we picked up a couple of sub 178cm pacy blokes with skill who get front and centre.

pacy? que? the research shows that good families who send their kids to good schools dont have kids with pace..

 

[Markfs]

Poulter Impressed in the VFL yesterday and McMahon had some Promising Moments/Glimpses

i agree. Especially the tall skinny kid. They were a little different from the usual trey ruscoe types that we usually get in. Considering we've got two more injuries, one of them might be slotted into the anzac team to do a mark mcgough.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Before selecting Poulter, we bid on an academy kid and then traded the pick down twice. It doesn't look like we viewed him as a must have bargain either.

Well that is a good point.

It could be argued that we may have been price enforcing knowing full well that Port and Brisbane would match those bids, so it didn’t really reflect our valuation at all.

But that’s probably giving the recruiting staff too much credit.

In a bubble, I’m happy backing our recruiters and taking a risk in a high variance year... but in reality it’s probably a poorly planned desperation move, combined with a need for a feel-good narrative to appease the irate fanbase.

And yet it may still pay off. Macrae looks good, Henry has a high percentage chance of making it from what I’ve seen, McIness at least we have the most insight into of any prospect in the 2020 draft, and people so far have been very excited at what Poulter and McMahon have shown even at this very early stage.

 

[Markfs]

while i've been critical of some of the players we have picked in the past, I prefer going to the draft then using first round picks to get players from other clubs.