Drafts over the years

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[FONT=&quot]*Work in progress, will update after every years draft.
Last updated November 26 2009*


2009:
Hinesight:
30 Luke Ball
62 Ben Sinclair
75 Josh Thomas
85 Simon Buckley

Knightsight:
30 Luke Ball
62 Josh Thomas
75 Matthew Panos
85 Dylan Grimes

*Notes: Also would have at the time jumped on the Ball for pick 30 + Goldsack trade, but turns out we were able to keep Goldsack and still get Ball which is a bonus! Josh Thomas to me represented a bargain at 62 and I consider him a genuine top 30 prospect in this draft. Matthew Panos likewise also represents great value, another I consider a top 30 quality prospect, straight kicking full forward who is a leading full forward not unlike Matthew Lloyd. Dylan Grimes is a key position defender who with Simon Prestigiacomo nearing the end of his career to me was necessary, has a great attitude and is someone I rated as being a top 50 prospect in this draft, also would have considered with pick 85: Joseph Dare, Roland Ah Chee, Andrew Hooper, Serhat Temel, Kyle Hartigan, Michael Barlow, Myles Sewell, Jaryd Cachia, Majak Daw, Derick Wanganeen, Chris Irving and Alex Carey who I all would have considered worthy of being taken with pick 85.*


*Had we not traded Pick 14 + Pick 46 for Darren Jolly
14 Luke Tapscott
30 Luke Ball
46 Troy Taylor
62 Josh Thomas
75 Matthew Panos

Notes: Would have gone through with the Jolly trade anyway, just I would still have been very happy with a draft that looks like this! Big fan of Tapscott and consider him a top 10 prospect, has a booming kick and a big body, Tapscott to me if we had have kept this pick was the guy I would have been praying would drop. Would have also taken a good look at Bastinac at 14 also who I don’t rate far behind Scully, which should tell you that he is a hell of a prospect. At 46 would be looking at Taylor and Fitzpatrick, Fitzpatrick is an athletic ruckman/ forward but personally would be much more interested in the potential Taylor offers, Taylor would offer our forwardline greater flexibility and allow players like Thomas, Didak and Davis more midfield time. Josh Thomas being available at 62 would be incredible and he is an absolute gem, can see him developing into a really handy mid. Panos is a natural full forward who kicks straight and to me is a top 30 prospect. Funnily enough these are my 5 favourite prospects in this draft that I selected, I’m also a fan of Bastinac, Fitzpatrick, Crichton, Harwood and James Craig.*


Hindsight: (To come next year)


2008:

Hinesight:
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood

29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood

45 Jarrad Blight Swan Districts Collingwood

46 Luke Rounds Geelong Falcons Collingwood

73 Leigh Brown North Melbourne Collingwood


Knightsight:
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood

29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood

45 Jordan Lisle Oakleigh Chargers

46 Dylan Joyce Calder Cannons

73 Ben Cousins Port Melbourne

*Notes:
Was not in favour of trading Shaw after a strong 2008 season, but he expressed a desire for change. But was in favour of the Corrie trade and saw him as a handy goal sneak that would free up Thomas and perhaps Didak or Davis for midfield time.
At 11 always wanted Sidebottom, after his completely dominant Grand Final performance he really stuck out to me as he would have everyone who watched that game.
Wanted Samuel Wright at 29, but because he went to North Melbourne at 27, I went with Beams as he was a slider who I really saw as being quite a nice player.
Dylan Joyce is currently playing VFL footy for Williamstown in the VFL. Won the Calder Cannons B+F, still really like him and think he definitely is deserving of a rookie listing somewhere.
Lisle went to Hawthorn at pick 50, was expected to be a top 20-30 guy in most circles, nice key position guy who I can see playing either end.
Also considered Matthew De Boer and Neville Jetta at 45 and 46.
Otherwise Ben Cousins I would have definitely have taken this risk on.*

*Had we retained our original picks: (Meaning we would have retained Rhyce Shaw and pick 61, and not have traded for Anthony Corrie and picks 46 and 91)
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood
29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood
45 Jordan Lisle Oakleigh Chargers
61 Dylan Joyce Calder Cannons
73 Leigh Brown North Melbourne Collingwood
91 Ben Cousins Port Melbourne*

Hindsight:
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood
29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood
45 Jarrad Blight Swan Districts Collingwood
46 Ben Cousins Port Melbourne
73 Leigh Brown North Melbourne Collingwood

*Some players will come through from the later rounds and the such that we don't know about yet, but this is simply more so based on what we have seen this year and how well it would have worked out had we gone with these picks this year.*

*Had we retained our original picks: (Meaning we would have retained Rhyce Shaw and pick 61, and not have traded for Anthony Corrie and picks 46 and 91).
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood
29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood
45 Jarrad Blight Swan Districts Collingwood
61 Jeff Garlett Swan Districts
73 Leigh Brown North Melbourne Collingwood
91 Ben Cousins Port Melbourne*


2007:

Hinesight
31 John McCarthy Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
47 Toby Thoolen Bendigo Pioneers Collingwood
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood


Knightsight
31 Chris Mayne Perth
47 Mitchell Farmer Calder Cannons
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood

*Notes: Mayne I really liked, had seen some of his footy and really liked what I saw, didn't really rate McCarthy at the time due to injury problems, however he has surprised me and looks like he will be quite reasonable. Still prefer Mayne. As for Farmer I saw him as a really handy guy to have down back with Ben Johnson moving more to the midfield, I saw and still see a need for another small back.*

*Had we retained pick 14 which we traded for Cameron Wood.
14 Scott Selwood Bendigo Pioneers
31 Chris Mayne Perth
47 Mitchell Farmer Calder Cannons
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood*

*Notes: I really wanted Scott Selwood, it is too early to say who will be better out of Selwood or Cam Wood, but at the time I was really keen on Selwood and disappointed that we gave up our first round draft pick for what I thought at the time to be a depth ruckman in Wood.*

Hindsight:
31 Chris Mayne Perth
47 Brad Dalziell East Fremantle
61 Shane Mumford Geelong VFL
*Notes:
Dalziell was not even on my radar. Came from nowhere. Mayne I was always convinced that he would turn out well and it is great to see one of my picks succeed. Mumford like Dalziell, really progressed quickly in a very short space of time, was not on my radar either.*

*Had we retained pick 14 which we traded for Cameron Wood.
14 Harry Taylor East Fremantle
31 Chris Mayne Perth
47 Brad Dalziell East Fremantle
61 Shane Mumford Geelong VFL *
Notes: Harry Taylor the mature age draftee has gone onto bigger and better things for Geelong. Had we not traded Cam Wood could have possibly got him.*

2006:

Hinesight:
8 Ben Reid Murray_Bushrangers
10 Nathan Brown North Ballarat Rebels
28 Chris Dawes
44 Brad Dick East Fremantle Football Club Collingwood
63 Tyson Goldsack Gippsland Power Collingwood

Knightsight:
8 David Armitage Morningside Football Club
10 Jack Riewoldt Tassie Mariners
28 Kurt Tippett Southport Football Club
44 Kyle Reimers Peel Thunder Football Club
63 Tyson Goldsack Gippsland Power

*Notes: Was really happy with the Tarrant for Medhurst + Pick 8 in the super draft. Liked Armitage as I thought we really needed a mid with one of our 2 top 10 picks at the time. Riewoldt was the other guy on my radar, with Tarrant gone and Rocca nearing the end really thought Riewoldt was the guy. Dawes at 28 I was not fond of, was an injury pleagued guy who didn't deserve a top 30 spot in my view, really loved Tippett's athleticism and it has been great to see him develop and live up to his potential recently. Reimers after the last 2 picks being key position players I really thought was the guy, thought he might be a really handy midfielder, and could still be, also liked David MacKay who is developing well for Adelaide, Dick was on my radar, just rated these guys ahead of him and thought that with Didak and Davis up forward we didn’t need any other smalls. 63 I was hoping we would get Goldsack and my preyers were answered, I saw him as an athletic Dustin Flecture type and he definately hasn't disappointed, can see him still developing further.*

*Had we not traded Chris Tarrant for Pick 8 and Paul Medhurst:
10 Jack Riewoldt Tassie Mariners
28 Kurt Tippett Southport Football Club
44 Kyle Reimers Peel Thunder Football Club
63 Tyson Goldsack Gippsland Power
75 Jamie McNamara East Fremantle Football Club
Notes: Was really high on McNamara and thought that he would be a really handy addition.*

Hindsight:
8 Ben Reid Murray_Bushrangers
10 Nathan Brown North Ballarat Rebels
28 Kurt Tippett Southport Football Club
44 Jesse White Southport Sharks
63 Clinton Jones South Fremantle

* Jesse White came from nowhere, discounted him for a rookie, but he has really come on and good on him. Jones was not on my radar and has done well to be as good as he is. Tippett I’m really happy to be able to put up there being one of my picks. Also with Reid and Brown will keep them there for now unless someone else comes through big time.*

*Had we not traded Chris Tarrant for Pick 8 and Paul Medhurst:
10 Nathan Brown North Ballarat Rebels
28 Kurt Tippett Southport Football Club
44 Jesse White Southport Sharks
63 Tyson Goldsack Gippsland Power
75 Clinton Jones South Fremantle*



2005

Hinesight
2 Dale Thomas Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
21 Danny Stanley Geelong Falcons Collingwood
23 Ryan Cook Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
37 John Anthony Northern Knights Football Club Collingwood

Pre Season Draft:
2 Sam Iles Tassie Mariners Collingwood

Knightsight
2 Dale Thomas Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
21 Bernie Vince Woodville-West Torrens Football Club
23 Matt Riggio Peel Thunder Football Club
37 John Anthony Northern Knights Football Club Collingwood
52 Clint Bartram Geelong Falcons

*Notes:
At 2 and 5 like Hine I also had my eye on Dale Thomas who ripped it up in the TAC Cup Grand Final and Scott Pendlebury who while injured was all class and a guy who is known for his work ethic and his desire for perfection.
Bernie Vince the classy mid I was really keen on, like Pendlebury had this level of class that made him stand out.
Riggio I was also a fan of. Hasn't really made it the way I thought he would at North Melbourne, but still have faith at another club he could make it.
Jack Anthony I was also quite keen on, saw him as a long term replacement for Jimmy Clement, really liked what he had to offer, interestingly he has become "by accident" a completely different player to what anyone including he had envisaged. Instead of using the preseason draft pick I really had my eye on Bartram, thought he would be a talent, and it showed in his first season, although injury in more recent times has held him back, and this season was fairly unimpressive. Also had my eye on the smokie Justin Sweeney who was delisted by St Kilda.*

*Had we not traded Richard Cole for Pick 23 which I was in favour of at the time:
2 Dale Thomas Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
21 Bernie Vince Woodville-West Torrens Football Club
37 John Anthony Northern Knights Football Club Collingwood
52 Clint Bartram Geelong Falcons*


Hindsight
2 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Grant Birchall Tassie Mariners
21 Bernie Vince Woodville-West Torrens Football Club
23 Mathew Stokes Woodville-West Torrens
37 Matthew Priddis Subiaco

*Had we not traded Richard Cole for Pick 23 which I was in favour of at the time:
2 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Grant Birchall Tassie Mariners
21 Bernie Vince Woodville-West Torrens Football Club
37 Matthew Priddis Subiaco

PSD:
2 Jason Porplyzia West Adelaide Football Club

*Notes, well since a few years have gone by it just goes to show how some players can pop up from nowhere. Priddis went in the rookie draft and has turned out to be a very handy midfielder. Stokes who I rated as a rookie pick has proven to be a really nice small forward. And Birchall has been huge for Hawthorn down back. Porplyzia for Adelaide has had a great impact and every season has improved well.*


2004

Hinesight

10 Chris Egan Murray Bushrangers Collingwood
23 Sean Rusling West Adelaide Football Club Collingwood
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Adam Iacobucci Calder Cannons Collingwood

Pre Season Draft:
2 Blake Caracella Brisbane Lions Collingwood

Knightsight

10 Andrew Lee Tasmanian Devils Football Club
23 Justin Sherman Clarence Football Club
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Brad Moran Southport Sharks
66 Chris Bryan Frankston Dolphins


*Notes: This was my first draft ever, but I still don't completely dislike it. Andrew Lee ended up going to Essendon, really liked him for his long kicking and marking, thought that he would be a great prospect, just turned out not to be in the end. Justin Sherman I really rated, great reader of the footy and saw him as being a Collingwood version of a Jason Akermanis. Also didn’t mind Van Berlo at 23. Brad Moran I liked as a backup ruckman for Fraser, really thought at the time we needed more ruck depth. Funny about Chris Bryan, in his first season looked like a really bright prospect, but then never lived up to his potential, funny how he ended up at Collingwood years later. One player I did really like. Was a weak draft and was pretty hard to find the right prospects so all things considered was happy.*

*Had we not traded Bo Nixon and Pick 7 for Hawthorn pick 10 and 37 and have not traded pick 37 for Chad Morrison:
7 Andrew Lee Tasmanian Devils Football Club
23 Justin Sherman Clarence Football Club
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Brad Moran Southport Sharks
66 Chris Bryan Frankston Dolphins*

Hindsight

10 Nathan Van Berlo West Perth Football Club
23 Mark LeCras West Perth Football Club
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Matthew Egan Geelong VFL
66 Andrew Carrazzo


*Notes, way off this year but you can't have perfect years every year. This was my first year of drafting so all things considered was pretty happy with some of the players I was keen on.*

*Had we not traded Bo Nixon and Pick 7 for Hawthorn pick 10 and 37 and have not traded pick 37 for Chad Morrison:
7 Jordan Lewis Geelong Falcons
23 Nathan Van Berlo West Perth Football Club
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Matthew Egan Geelong VFL
66 Andrew Carrazzo [/FONT]

 

[TradeDraft]

Great Thread - Bit late at Night at the Moment but read it Properly and Comment tomorrow about it

 

[hellfire]

You would give up Blight? You're crazy man. Gem.

 

[smiddaz123]

Explain why we're giving away Nathan Brown for Armitage/Riewoldt in hindsight?

 

[Optimax]

Explain why we're giving away Nathan Brown for Armitage/Riewoldt in hindsight?

the one that jumped out at me took

Give up brown for riedwoldt and arimtage why?

 

[Pie eyed]

I appreciate you've put some work into that but are suggesting these were your selections before the actual draft as opposed to who we actually drafted or are these lists what you think we should have drafted after seeing how the individual players have performed since?

 

[TradeDraft]

the one that jumped out at me took

Give up brown for riedwoldt and arimtage why?

Yeah Me Too - I would not want Arimtage over Brown but I would take Riewoldt over Reid

 

[TradeDraft]

2008:

Hinesight:
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood

29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood

45 Jarrad Blight Swan Districts Collingwood

46 Luke Rounds Geelong Falcons Collingwood

73 Leigh Brown North Melbourne Collingwood


Knightsight:
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood

29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood

45 Jordan Lisle Oakleigh Chargers

46 Dylan Joyce Calder Cannons

73 Ben Cousins Port Melbourne


*Notes:
At 11 always wanted Sidebottom, after his completely dominant Grand Final performance he really stuck out to me as he would have everyone who watched that game.
Wanted Samuel Wright at 29, but because he went to North Melbourne at 27, I went with Beams as he was a slider who I really saw as being quite a nice player.
Dylan Joyce is currently playing VFL footy for Williamstown in the VFL. Won the Calder Cannons B+F, still really like him and think he definately is deserving of a rookie listing somewhere.
Lisle went to Hawthorn at pick 50, was expected to be a top 20-30 guy in most circles, nice key position guy who I can see playing either end.
Also considered Matthew De Boer and Neville Jetta at 45 and 46.
Otherwise Ben Cousins I would have definately have taken this risk on.*

Hindsight:
11 Steele Sidebottom Murray Bushrangers Collingwood
29 Dayne Beams Southport Sharks Collingwood
45 Zac Dawson Hawthorn
46 Ben Cousins Port Melbourne
73 Leigh Brown North Melbourne Collingwood

*Some players will come through from the later rounds and the such that we don't know about yet, but this is simply more so based on what we have seen this year and how well it would have worked out had we gone with these picks this year.*

That one is still to Early to Really Tell how it will pane out.

Don't like the Joyce Pick you have at 46, I would rather Micheal Walters. I would of Liked Lisle too with Blight would of Been Good because fits a Need.

I think L Brown was a okay Pick but we should of gone with a Kid like Sisabano or Do Boer

Hinesight
31 John McCarthy Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
47 Toby Thoolen Bendigo Pioneers Collingwood
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood

Knightsight
31 Chris Mayne Perth
47 Mitchell Farmer Calder Cannons
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood

*Notes: Mayne I really liked, had seen some of his footy and really liked what I saw, didn't really rate McCarthy at the time due to injury problems, however he has surprised me and looks like he will be quite reasonable. Still prefer Maybe. As for Farmer I saw him as a really handy guy to have down back with Ben Johnson moving more to the midfield, I saw and still see a need for a small back.*

Hindsight:
31 Chris Mayne Perth
47 Craig Bird NSW/ACT Rams/Nelson Bay
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood

*Notes:
Bird was not on my radar, discounted him for a rookie and has turned out to be a very good player.*

I still have McCarthy at Pick 31. Pick 47 I would take Brad Daziell(Bird was a NSW Scholarship Player)

2006:

Hinesight:
8 Ben Reid Murray_Bushrangers
10 Nathan Brown North Ballarat Rebels
28 Chris Dawes
44 Brad Dick East Fremantle Football Club Collingwood
63 Tyson Goldsack Gippsland Power Collingwood

Knightsight:
8 David Armitage Morningside Football Club
10 Jack Riewoldt Tassie Mariners
28 Kurt Tippett Southport Football Club
44 Kyle Reimers Peel Thunder Football Club
63 Tyson Goldsack Gippsland Power

*Liked Armitage as I thought we really needed a mid with one of our 2 top 10 picks at the time. Riewoldt was the other guy on my radar, with Tarrant gone and Rocca nearing the end really thought Riewoldt was the guy. Dawes at 28 I was not fond of, was an injury pleagued guy who didn't deserve a top 30 spot in my view, really loved Tippett's athleticism and it has been great to see him develop and live up to his potential the last few years. Reimers after the last 2 picks being key position players I really thought was the guy, thought he might be a really handy midfielder, and could still be. 63 I was hoping we would get Goldsack and my preyers were answered, I saw him as an athletic Dustin Flecture type and he definately hasn't disappointed, can see him still developing further.*

Hindsight:
David Armitage Morningside Football Club
Jack Riewoldt Tassie Mariners
Kurt Tippett Southport Football Club
David Mackay Oakleigh Chargers
Jesse White Southport Sharks

*Mackay I think is possibly slightly better than Dick/ Reimers but at 44 really hard to say at this stage. Jesse White came from nowhere, discounted him for a rookie, but he has really come on and good on him.*

I would keep N Brown at Pick 10 but I would swap Reid for Shaun Hampson as I really rate him. Agree pick 28 with Tipett. Keep Dick at pick 44 and Swap Goldsack for Clinton Jones.

2005

Hinesight
2 Dale Thomas Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
21 Danny Stanley Geelong Falcons Collingwood
23 Ryan Cook Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
37 John Anthony Northern Knights Football Club Collingwood

Pre Season Draft:
2 Sam Iles Tassie Mariners Collingwood

Knightsight
2 Dale Thomas Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
21 Bernie Vince Woodville-West Torrens Football Club
23 Matt Riggio Peel Thunder Football Club
37 John Anthony Northern Knights Football Club Collingwood
52 Clint Bartram Geelong Falcons

*Notes:
At 2 and 5 like Hine I also had my eye on Dale Thomas who ripped it up in the TAC Cup Grand Final and Scott Pendlebury who while injured was all class and a guy who is known for his work ethic and his desire for perfection.
Bernie Vince the classy mid I was really keen on, like Pendlebury had this level of class that made him stand out.
Riggio I was also a fan of. Hasn't really made it the way I thought he would at North Melbourne, but still have faith at another club he could make it if picked up in the rookie draft this season.
Jack Anthony I was also quite keen on, saw him as a long term replacement for Jimmy Clement, really liked what he had to offer, interestingly he has become "by accident" a completely different player to what anyone including he had envisaged. Instead of using the preseason draft pick I really had my eye on Bartram, thought he would be a talent, and it showed in his first season, although injury in more recent times has held him back, and this season was fairly unimpressive. Also had my eye on the smokie Justin Sweeney who was delisted by St Kilda.*

Hindsight
2 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Grant Birchall Tassie Mariners
21 Bernie Vince Woodville-West Torrens Football Club
23 Mathew Stokes Woodville-West Torrens
37 Matthew Priddis Subiaco

PSD:
2 Jason Porplyzia West Adelaide Football Club

*Notes, well since a few years have gone by it just goes to show how some players can pop up from nowhere. Priddis went in the rookie draft and has turned out to be a very handy midfielder. Stokes who I rated as a rookie pick has proven to be a really nice small forward. And Birchall has been huge for Hawthorn down back.*

Happy with Thomas, Pendles and Anthony Picks but I would change the Stanley and Cook Picks too Warnock and Carlise

2004

Hinesight:

10 Chris Egan Murray Bushrangers Collingwood
23 Sean Rusling West Adelaide Football Club Collingwood
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Adam Iacobucci Calder Cannons Collingwood

Pre Season Draft:
2 Blake Caracella Brisbane Lions Collingwood

Knightsight

10 Andrew Lee Tasmanian Devils Football Club
23 Justin Sherman Clarence Football Club
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Bradley P. Smith Subiaco Football Club
66 Chris Bryan Frankston Dolphins


*Notes: This was my first draft ever, but I still don't completely dislike it. Van Berlo probably a bit high for him, I rated him and it turned out he ended up better than Egan which at the time was a surprised because I really rated Egan also. Andrew Lee ended up going to Essendon, really liked him for his long kicking and thought that he would be a a great prospect, just turned out not to be in the end. Bradley Smith was a ruckman who I really liked, thought we needed another at the time to backup Fraser and thought Smith would be the guy. Got delisted pretty quickly from West Coast anyway. Funny about Chris Bryan, in his first season looked like a really bright prospect, but then never lived up to his potential, funny how he ended up at Collingwood years later. One player I did really like, and considered at 23 was Nathan Van Berlo who ended up going the pick after, it was good to see he became a solid player like I thought he would.*

Hindsight:

10 Nathan Van Berlo West Perth Football Club
23 Mark LeCras West Perth Football Club
39 (F/S) Travis Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
55 Matthew Egan Geelong VFL

Pre Season Draft:
2 Eddie Betts Calder Cannons

*Notes, way off this year but you can't have perfect years every year. This was my first year of drafting so all things considered was pretty happy with some of the players I was keen on.*

Glad we did not got for Andrew Lee, Bigger Dud then Egan.

My Picks would been:

10: Cameron Wood - Got him in 2007

23: Van Berlo

39: T Cloke - Father Son

55: Josh Drummond

 

[knightwheelrqr]

You would give up Blight? You're crazy man. Gem.

Not that Blight won't be good, just for the 2008 crop because they havn't played enough senior footy yet I can't really rate them on performances at AFL level so far based on that draft.

Which is why guys like Leigh Brown, Ben Cousins and Zac Dawson all get in ahead, but over time I will adjust the hindsight section to adjust to how players have developed and the such since that draft.

Certainly we may find we have a really nice player in Blight, indications so far as positive.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Explain why we're giving away Nathan Brown for Armitage/Riewoldt in hindsight?

It is hard to say at this stage, just going on opinion so far in that Nathan Brown and Armitage I see as having had a greater impact than Reid/ Brown at the club.

Riewoldt for now I'm going with simply because of the amount of games he has already played in his career. Also Armitage I think would have played relatively more games up to this point than Reid/Brown had we recruited him, but then again there is a definate possibility that over the spans of their careers that one of Brown or Reid may far outrate either Riewoldt or Armitage, in which case I will chance the hindsight according to how they develop and so on. The draft class still isn't all that old, so certainly one of the prospects mentioned could very well drop off or one could turn on (perhaps Reid next year will become a super player, only time will tell).

They are all such even prospects, N.Brown + B.Reid I'm still not at all disappointed with. At the time for the draft of that year it was throught that Reid would go around 10 and N.Brown around 14, but still I think they are still both very nice key position players and will be the future spine of our backline for many years to come.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

the one that jumped out at me took

Give up brown for riedwoldt and arimtage why?

At this stage still subjective. Brown + Reid could very well next season far outplay Riewoldt and Armitage. Will have to see.

Personally rate B.Reid + N.Brown to both break into the senior side next season, so after next season we will get a greater indication of how good each player is at AFL level and we will be able to more accurately rate each of them.

Still not disappointed with either pick though.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

I appreciate you've put some work into that but are suggesting these were your selections before the actual draft as opposed to who we actually drafted or are these lists what you think we should have drafted after seeing how the individual players have performed since?

Hinesight= Who Hine picked on the day.

Knightsight = The day of the draft if I were the selector for Collingwood at each of Collingwood's draft spots who I would select.

Hindsight= In review who would have been the best to draft. Because most of these drafts are still young hindsight over time is still very much subjective, but over time will become clearer.

 

[TradeDraft]

It is hard to say at this stage, just going on opinion so far in that Nathan Brown and Armitage I see as having had a greater impact than Reid/ Brown at the club.

Riewoldt for now I'm going with simply because of the amount of games he has already played in his career. Also Armitage I think would have played relatively more games up to this point than Reid/Brown had we recruited him, but then again there is a definate possibility that over the spans of their careers that one of Brown or Reid may far outrate either Riewoldt or Armitage, in which case I will chance the hindsight according to how they develop and so on. The draft class still isn't all that old, so certainly one of the prospects mentioned could very well drop off or one could turn on (perhaps Reid next year will become a super player, only time will tell).

Armitage would make a Bigger Impact because Mids can come straight into a Side an make a Impact(like Beams and Steele this year)

 

[knightwheelrqr]

That one is still to Early to Really Tell how it will pane out.

Don't like the Joyce Pick you have at 46, I would rather Micheal Walters. I would of Liked Lisle too with Blight would of Been Good because fits a Need.

I think L Brown was a okay Pick but we should of gone with a Kid like Sisabano or Do Boer

Hinesight
31 John McCarthy Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
47 Toby Thoolen Bendigo Pioneers Collingwood
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood



I still have McCarthy at Pick 31. Pick 47 I would take Brad Daziell(Bird was a NSW Scholarship Player)



I would keep N Brown at Pick 10 but I would swap Reid for Shaun Hampson as I really rate him. Agree pick 28 with Tipett. Keep Dick at pick 44 and Swap Goldsack for Clinton Jones.

2005

Hinesight
2 Dale Thomas Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
21 Danny Stanley Geelong Falcons Collingwood
23 Ryan Cook Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
37 John Anthony Northern Knights Football Club Collingwood

Pre Season Draft:
2 Sam Iles Tassie Mariners Collingwood



Happy with Thomas, Pendles and Anthony Picks but I would change the Stanley and Cook Picks too Warnock and Carlise



Glad we did not got for Andrew Lee, Bigger Dud then Egan.

My Picks would been:

10: Cameron Wood - Got him in 2007

23: Van Berlo

39: T Cloke - Father Son

55: Josh Drummond

Hey, that was my first try
I think my picks are probably still at around the standard of Hine's... most years.
I would be hoping his picks are better to be honest... as that is his job

Also on Bird I'm not so sure he was a NSW scolarship holder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_afl_draft
(Has Taylor Walker listed as NSW Scolarship holder but not Bird. I may be wrong, didn't have Bird on my radar at all to really know if he was a NSW Scolarship holder).. If you find out otherwise please tell me though and I would be happy to change this.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Armitage would make a Bigger Impact because Mids can come straight into a Side an make a Impact(like Beams and Steele this year)

True. Key positions often take longer to develop (Reid).
So this could very well change over time.

But for now I rate Armitage ahead of them simply because of what he can do now.

Could be a very different story at the end of next season though.

 

[TradeDraft]

Hey, that was my first try
I think my picks are probably still at around the standard of Hine's... most years.
I would be hoping his picks are better to be honest... as that is his job

Also on Bird I'm not so sure he was a NSW scolarship holder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_afl_draft
(Has Taylor Walker listed as NSW Scolarship holder but not Bird. I may be wrong, didn't have Bird on my radar at all to really know if he was a NSW Scolarship holder).. If you find out otherwise please tell me though and I would be happy to change this.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2007&t=N&s=P

This site has him as a NSW Scholarship Player

 

[knightwheelrqr]

That one is still to Early to Really Tell how it will pane out.

Don't like the Joyce Pick you have at 46, I would rather Micheal Walters. I would of Liked Lisle too with Blight would of Been Good because fits a Need.

I think L Brown was a okay Pick but we should of gone with a Kid like Sisabano or Do Boer

Hinesight
31 John McCarthy Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
47 Toby Thoolen Bendigo Pioneers Collingwood
61 Jaxson Barham Geelong Falcons Collingwood



I still have McCarthy at Pick 31. Pick 47 I would take Brad Daziell(Bird was a NSW Scholarship Player)



I would keep N Brown at Pick 10 but I would swap Reid for Shaun Hampson as I really rate him. Agree pick 28 with Tipett. Keep Dick at pick 44 and Swap Goldsack for Clinton Jones.

2005

Hinesight
2 Dale Thomas Gippsland Power Collingwood
5 Scott Pendlebury Gippsland Power Collingwood
21 Danny Stanley Geelong Falcons Collingwood
23 Ryan Cook Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
37 John Anthony Northern Knights Football Club Collingwood

Pre Season Draft:
2 Sam Iles Tassie Mariners Collingwood



Happy with Thomas, Pendles and Anthony Picks but I would change the Stanley and Cook Picks too Warnock and Carlise



Glad we did not got for Andrew Lee, Bigger Dud then Egan.

My Picks would been:

10: Cameron Wood - Got him in 2007

23: Van Berlo

39: T Cloke - Father Son

55: Josh Drummond

Drummond came from the 03 rookie draft I believe.

 

[dima17]

what i would give to have:

tippet instead of dawes
van berlo instead of EGAN!
vince instead of STANLEY!

just goes to show that adelaide have done well in recent drafts. i'm still happy with dawes btw, but he needs to show something

 

[knightwheelrqr]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2007&t=N&s=P

This site has him as a NSW Scholarship Player

Sure thing. In that case will change it.

 

[mdc]

With all due respect, unless you can provide some links to your selection prior to said drafts, I'm going to have to use my mdcsight and call BS.

Not only do you have a suspiciously high strike-rate, you've also managed to match Hine on several of his more left-field selections.

If you can provide the links, I'll promptly apologize, but for now colour me skeptical.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

With all due respect, unless you can provide some links to your selection prior to said drafts, I'm going to have to use my mdcsight can call BS.

Not only do you have a suspiciously high strike-rate, you've also managed to match Hine on several of his more left-field selections.

If you can provide the links, I'll promptly apologize, but for now colour me skeptical.

I am not trying to match Hine, but instead if I were recruiting for Collingwood who I would pick on the day of the draft based upon my knowledge of the draft.

I have missed many good players and also thought I had found some really good players, who in the end turned out not to be as good as expected. As happens in drafting.

Although I do not have online evidence to prove my drafts, I will continue this thread for years to come and that will become over the years evidence enough.

So this year the day after the draft expect my to update the 2009 knightsight section and also add Hine's selection.

It is more a for fun activity, more than anything, I welcome all to join the recruiting race to test who your picks are against Hine's and create a record of picks like me. And enjoy the wins and losses and watching the progression of your picks.

 

[Quicky]

No offence KW but it's hard to take seriously when you're blowing your own trumpet and not providing any evidence of ever picking those drafts like that at the time.

Interesting thread though. I'll be interested to see how it progresses if you keep with it - and what your selections are this year.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

No offence KW but it's hard to take seriously when you're blowing your own trumpet and not providing any evidence of ever picking those drafts like that at the time.

Interesting thread though. I'll be interested to see how it progresses if you keep with it - and what your selections are this year.

No, that is fine.

I'm new to this online community so I don't really have any way of showing how I came to my conclusions.

I'm starting up an online record for everyone to view, more fun this way so that people can speculate whether or not Hine, I or someone else made the right/ wrong decision with particular selections. I might also speculate who I would have picked had we retained our pick 14 + 46, to so we can compair Jolly to what we could have had. (Which might be something like for example at 14 Tapscott or Lucas and at 46 perhaps Harwood or Carey.) But will update according to selections that occur from other teams and so on.

Will definately update again next season if someone can find this thread for me again.



I may also create something similiar with a "list management" section. List management is another area other than drafting that I have a keen interest in.
So I might include in that alternate delistings or cut out or include trades I thought at the time would have been good to persue.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Had trouble posting this directly after the completion of the draft due to trafic. But here it is. My update of drafts over the years.

Will update "hindsight" every year and will add my new year of draft picks also just so that people can take a look at who Collingwood has got over the years, who I would have taken at the time of the draft and who would have been the optimal choce at each pick (which will change over time).

 

[DANGER!]

*Work in progress, will update after every years draft.
Last updated November 26 2009*


2009:
Hinesight:
30 Luke Ball
62 Ben Sinclair
75 Josh Thomas
85 Simon Buckley

Knightsight:
30 Luke Ball
62 Josh Thomas
75 Matthew Panos
85 Dylan Grimes

*Notes: Would have gone through with the Jolly trade anyway, just I would still have been very happy with a draft that looks like this! Also would have at the time jumped on the Ball for pick 30 + Goldsack trade, but turns out we were able to keep Goldsack and still get Ball which is a bonus! Josh Thomas to me represented a bargain at 62 and I consider him a genuine top 30 prospect in this draft. Matthew Panos likewise also represents great value, another I consider a top 30 quality prospect, straight kicking full forward who is a leading full forward not unlike Matthew Lloyd. Dylan Grimes is a key position defender who with Simon Prestigiacomo nearing the end of his career to me was necessary, has a great attitude and is someone I rated as being a top 50 prospect in this draft, also would have considered with pick 85: Roland Ah Chee, Andrew Hooper, Serhat Temel, Kyle Hartigan, Michael Barlow, Myles Sewell, Jaryd Cachia, Chris Irving, and Alex Carey who I all would have considered worthy of being taken with pick 85.*


*Had we not traded Pick 14 + Pick 46 for Darren Jolly
14 Luke Tapscott
30 Luke Ball
46 Troy Taylor
62 Josh Thomas
75 Matthew Panos

Notes: Big fan of Tapscott and consider him a top 10 prospect, has a booming kick and a big body, Tapscott to me if we had have kept this pick was the guy I would have been praying would drop. Would have also taken a good look at Bastinac at 14 also who I don’t rate far behind Scully, which should tell you that he is a hell of a prospect. At 46 would be looking at Taylor and Fitzpatrick, Fitzpatrick is an athletic ruckman/ forward but personally would be much more interested in the potential Taylor offers, Taylor would offer our forwardline greater flexibility and allow players like Thomas, Didak and Davis more midfield time. Josh Thomas being available at 62 would be incredible and he is an absolute gem, can see him developing into a really handy mid. Panos is a natural full forward who kicks straight and to me is a top 30 prospect. Funnily enough these are my 5 favourite prospects in this draft that I selected, I’m also a fan of Bastinac, Fitzpatrick and Crichton.*

The Jolly trade was still probably right due to our needs, I agree. But still Tapscott and Taylor! WOW! Would have loved them both!

But as for the yours of the real draft, really surprised me that Panos didn't get picked and would have taken him at 14. You picked it, but still can't believe it.

At 62 I was shocked that we passed on Thomas, and I would still have taken him at 62 also.

Panos at 75, totally agree, from the limited footage I have seen of him and what I have heard would totally take him also!

As for Grimes, could an ok depth player down back.

Great hearing your thoughts Knight!