Drop Johnson & Pettifer

[Goldust]

Probably do the same thing with Johnson as they have done with Pettifer.

Pettifer played poorly for weeks on end and then finally plays a half decent game against the Dockers, meaning we are stuck with him for a few more weeks.

Johnson will no doubt play ahalf decent game v the Demons and it will guarantee him a game for another five weeks.

If players are out of form - particularly so called senior players - send them back to the VFL to find form.

Two words: Joel Bowden.

He was dropped all those years ago....best thing that copuld have happened.

Why are Johnson and Pettifer exempt?

Dare I say it. Johnson is an older version of Vandenberg...simply not worthy of a game.

 

[hoogs]

Johnson is one of the best players you have!

 

[deliberate!!]

Johnson is one of the best players you have!

No.....Polak is !!................duh

 

[Goldust]

Johnson is one of the best players you have!

Yeah, in a similar vein to Clive Waterhouse being one of the all-time legends of your club and the wider AFL!

Moron!!!

 

[astro_toby]

Quality clubs do NOT leave their captains - out to dry - he is having a poor year unquestionably. But deserves delisting for 8 bad games? no way

if he is carrying an injury, then this is the perfect time to perhaps get him to go under the knife, get it fixed - and have a seat on the sidelines for a month or two.then you can bring him back through coburg for 2 weeks - and he can play the final month, and hopefully regain some confidence to bring into next season.

to be honest, perhaps it is his ticker making him play out their everyweek through injury - to help protect our extremely young midfield. perhaps if we had some genuine depth of mature players - he would not be playing because of his injury.

the fella can play, we all bloody know it. we probably had inflated thoughts of how good he was, because the club gave up pick 4 (which became pick 2) for him. the club got sucked in basically.

on pettifer, he deserves his jumper - he does plenty to annoy us, but the boy can do some things for this team - which many others cant

that is, take a mark inside 50, and kick a goal.

 

[Roger Dodger]

Some serious discussion needs to take place on this board regarding our future captain, which is to say, our future.

F#8K it. New thread time:

 

[Goldust]

Quality clubs do NOT leave their captains - out to dry - he is having a poor year unquestionably. But deserves delisting for 8 bad games? no way

if he is carrying an injury, then this is the perfect time to perhaps get him to go under the knife, get it fixed - and have a seat on the sidelines for a month or two.then you can bring him back through coburg for 2 weeks - and he can play the final month, and hopefully regain some confidence to bring into next season.

to be honest, perhaps it is his ticker making him play out their everyweek through injury - to help protect our extremely young midfield. perhaps if we had some genuine depth of mature players - he would not be playing because of his injury.

the fella can play, we all bloody know it. we probably had inflated thoughts of how good he was, because the club gave up pick 4 (which became pick 2) for him. the club got sucked in basically.

on pettifer, he deserves his jumper - he does plenty to annoy us, but the boy can do some things for this team - which many others cant

that is, take a mark inside 50, and kick a goal.

Well Toby, think you have hit the nail on the head! Time for a rest and get things right! Season is shot anyway! He may think otherwise, but he ain't helping us by playing injured!

 

[astro_toby]

Major factor in continuing the losing culture.

Get rid of him Gaspar style.

Pettifer just as bad all year. Doesnt try, doesnt care.

lol - how can you honestly say - without smirking - that johnson is a major factor in continuing the losing culture? is it the two premiership medallions he won? or perhaps richmond has a lot to do with richmonds & kane johnsons losing culture - one we already had for 20 years & he DIDN'T have till he came here

pett's does give a shit - he just isn't a tough bloke, he has issues with work ethic - doesn't mean he doesn't give a crap

 

[1980]

lol - how can you honestly say - without smirking - that johnson is a major factor in continuing the losing culture? is it the two premiership medallions he won? or perhaps richmond has a lot to do with richmonds & kane johnsons losing culture - one we already had for 20 years & he DIDN'T have till he came here

pett's does give a shit - he just isn't a tough bloke, he has issues with work ethic - doesn't mean he doesn't give a crap

Because when a club should win so many games and doesnt, its because the senior players didnt take responsibility.

If they dont take responsibility, they have no place in the team.

The season is a write-off so use it to give game time and experience to younger players. We'll need a tagger in 2 years that has 10 years ahead of him. That's not Johnson.

So why?

Who cares if Pettifer can play one good game every 5 weeks? Will that get us into finals?

We have 2 senior players that play at any level of consistency. Richo and Bowden. they make mistakes, but they also make up for them.

Johnson and Pettifer just make mistakes

 

[hoogs]

Yeah, in a similar vein to Clive Waterhouse being one of the all-time legends of your club and the wider AFL!

Moron!!!

Clive isn't and never was one of our all-time legends. I'm not sure if you noticed, but we delisted him.

The fact that you need to resort to an insult shows you have nothing else in your basket.

No.....Polak is !!................duh

Unfortunately for you that might be true. And he still wouldn't get a game with us!

 

[astro_toby]

Because when a club should win so many games and doesnt, its because the senior players didnt take responsibility.

so by senior players - you mean kane johnson, matthew richardson & joel Bowden.

that is the only "senior players" currently in the side

perhaps we are losing games because we don't have MORE senior players in the side - or at least quality senior players to choose from?

blaming johnson is becoming pathetic and boring - our scapegoat - as we don't feel we can sack the coach as usual

as for petts - he is player who plays good games, and wins games when the side is playing well- he is milk on cereal. the cream on top.

he relies on others to get him the ball & deliver it to him well- something he hasn't had a lot of inbetween a crumy midfield and the one dimensional thought process of our players to just bomb it to richo.

he is primarily a player who times & makes leads well - can mark a ball well, and create of kick a goal up forward. thats what we used a pick 8 on, and thats pretty much all we got from him. he does that well, and better than any other on the side.

stop going to the scapegoats after every game - we are losing because -as a team - we are not got enough and lack senior quality players

 

[astro_toby]

Unfortunately for you that might be true. And he still wouldn't get a game with us!

bull-kaka he wouldn't. you fella's got sucked in with the polak - tarrant trade, as we did with the johnson trade.

polak is a better player than tarrant - this season definitely. a better mark, a better kick.

 

[1980]

so by senior players - you mean kane johnson, matthew richardson & joel Bowden.

that is the only "senior players" currently in the side

perhaps we are losing games because we don't have MORE senior players in the side - or at least quality senior players to choose from?

blaming johnson is becoming pathetic and boring - our scapegoat - as we don't feel we can sack the coach as usual

as for petts - he is player who plays good games, and wins games when the side is playing well- he is milk on cereal. the cream on top.

he relies on others to get him the ball & deliver it to him well- something he hasn't had a lot of inbetween a crumy midfield and the one dimensional thought process of our players to just bomb it to richo.

he is primarily a player who times & makes leads well - can mark a ball well, and create of kick a goal up forward. thats what we used a pick 8 on, and thats pretty much all we got from him. he does that well, and better than any other on the side.

stop going to the scapegoats after every game - we are losing because -as a team - we are not got enough and lack senior quality players

Put your post in the context of the decision to sack Gaspar, then rewrite your post accordingly.

Because this tread is about why we are making an example of Gaspar, but letting off the likes of Johnson and Pettifer scott free.

If it was about winning more games this year, then sacking Johnson and keeping Gaspar would have won us more games. Gaspar on Pavlich on Sunday would have made a difference in 4Q. But we're happy to take the loss so long as Thursfield gets experience and game time.

What the hell do you know anyway. Keep jerking off to photos of John Elliot

 

[jeff99_Au]

johnson is captain which i agree with he tries every game an fights every game.every game he seem to be a little better he is injuried still an he has been hitting targets sure he messed up against brisbane with his kick in the last quarter but so did a few players. he didn't cost us that game poor kicking in the second half by nearly everyone cost us that game.

petifer i like he seems to be getting better every game

 

[astro_toby]

Put your post in the context of the decision to sack Gaspar, then rewrite your post accordingly.

Because this tread is about why we are making an example of Gaspar, but letting off the likes of Johnson and Pettifer scott free.

If it was about winning more games this year, then sacking Johnson and keeping Gaspar would have won us more games. Gaspar on Pavlich on Sunday would have made a difference in 4Q. But we're happy to take the loss so long as Thursfield gets experience and game time.

What the hell do you know anyway. Keep jerking off to photos of John Elliot

in the context of gaspar, he got the call because thrusty was nearly ready to play - and wallace wanted to play polak, bowden, moore, mcguane & thrusty ahead of him - gaspar was not a captain - and pettifer is still too young to be considered a "senior member" of the squad - so the comparisons end there.

personally - i don't like the decision given to gaspar, but it doesn't change anything -many things in life aren't fair and contradict each other.

so get over it you big sook - and stop crying into your pillow like a baby, wishing mama johnson and papa Pettifer were dead

 

[deliberate!!]

Is it cheaper to drop them together as a 'job lot' ?

 

[emperor]

Maybe his legacy this season will be that after watching clanger after clanger our kids dedicate themselves to playing footy exactly opposite to how Johnson plays

 

[_RT_]

Statistically neither deserve to be dropped.
Petts is averaging 15 possies 6 marks and 1 goal a game in a side that is 0-10-1 playing as a HFF/onballer. The biggest issue I have with Petts is that he is one of those mid level players we need more from, has not had the scoreboard factor as often as last year. 14 goals this year and 7 of those came in 2 games 4 in Round 1 and 3 last weekend, simply not good enough. But who are the options to replace him, Meyer - has not done anything to warrant a place at present, Krakouer - same thing had chances and just can't get the job done, everyone else is either playing or not ready for AFL and as such we have to hope that Petts finds the goals again because stats wise he is not too far off last years form.

Same thing applies with Johnson stats wise does not deserve to be dropped just the fact we have not won a game and are looking for a scapegoat sees his name come up time and again. Sure he makes errors name me 1 AFL player that doesn't, but if he is making errors because he is trying to do something that may get us a win then I can live with that. The one constant I have heard this year is we lost because the side is inexperienced and yet the call is to drop one of our most experienced players does anyone else see the hypocrisy in that.

By all means at seasons end review the Captaincy and whether Johnson deserves to keep it or whether it is time to hand it over, but for now the fact is there is no viable other option other than to stick with these 2 and jhope that they can find form in the remainder of the season.

 

[deliberate!!]

Statistically neither deserve to be dropped.

You lost me after "Statistically".....

 

[1980]

in the context of gaspar, he got the call because thrusty was nearly ready to play - and wallace wanted to play polak, bowden, moore, mcguane & thrusty ahead of him - gaspar was not a captain - and pettifer is still too young to be considered a "senior member" of the squad - so the comparisons end there.

personally - i don't like the decision given to gaspar, but it doesn't change anything -many things in life aren't fair and contradict each other.

so get over it you big sook - and stop crying into your pillow like a baby, wishing mama johnson and papa Pettifer were dead

No you get over it. You're not a Richmond supporter, you dont belong here, you have no credibility supporting the tigers one week and our arch rivals the blues the next

 

[hoogs]

bull-kaka he wouldn't. you fella's got sucked in with the polak - tarrant trade, as we did with the johnson trade.

polak is a better player than tarrant - this season definitely. a better mark, a better kick.

hahaahha. oh my. hahaha.

Firstly we didnt get sucked in to the Polak trade. We traded him for reasons that we are not allowed to discuss on this site, and which the media have been banned from reporting on. We got rid of him for all the good reasons. Go google Polak + Thurstans + Gardiner and you might find some information.

Secondly, Polak <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tarrant

Polak is a disasterous kick. He has good hands, but only takes marks uncontested. He has been playing loose all year, hence the stats. This way Wallace looks good. You guys think he did great on the weekend, yet while he pulled in a bundle of uncontested marks to finish with 15 marks total, Pavlich took 15 marks in his own forward line and won the game for us in the last quarter. As soon as we sent Thornton back onto Polak he wasn't to be seen.

Many have said that his game agaisnt the Eagles was the best game he'd played this year. Hansen kicked a career high 4 goals from CHF, whilst Lynch kicked 4 goals from FF. With such a weak bunch of tall forwards, you'd think that Polak could have manned someone up and restricted their scoring, instead of picking up bundles of chip kick marks and uncontested possessions.

The problem is that Polak is only playable as a loose man in defence, which is the easiest place on the ground to end up.

Tarrant has been sensational for us this year, particulalry considering he missed a large chunk of preseason due to a double calf operation. While Tarrant has kicked 22 goals in the shadow of Pavlich, the following are Richmond's stats...

Rank Name ................Games Total
1 ....Matthew Richardson....11..... 26
2 ....Kayne Pettifer............11......14
3 ....Richard Tambling.........10......13

 

[Calcium Man]

Polak is a disasterous kick. He has good hands, but only takes marks uncontested. He has been playing loose all year, hence the stats. This way Wallace looks good. You guys think he did great on the weekend, yet while he pulled in a bundle of uncontested marks to finish with 15 marks total, Pavlich took 15 marks in his own forward line and won the game for us in the last quarter. As soon as we sent Thornton back onto Polak he wasn't to be seen.

Many have said that his game agaisnt the Eagles was the best game he'd played this year. Hansen kicked a career high 4 goals from CHF, whilst Lynch kicked 4 goals from FF. With such a weak bunch of tall forwards, you'd think that Polak could have manned someone up and restricted their scoring, instead of picking up bundles of chip kick marks and uncontested possessions.

The problem is that Polak is only playable as a loose man in defence, which is the easiest place on the ground to end up.

Im not saying Polak is better then Tarrant but watch more the one richmond game before judging polak.

Against WC Polak played half the game in the ruck and the rest playing defensively on the forward resting ruckmen.

He hasnt been playing just in defence he has been playing forward, ruck and defence. He doesnt play loose man in defence either. Alot of the time he gets the third tall or resting ruckmen because he can run off them and make a third man up situation. He has occasionally played on the big forwards like lucas, who he did very well on, but in this age where these guys run all day he just doesnt have the motor to go with them for extended periods of time.

When he came from fremantle he had terrible body strength and fitness. I could say that maybe the fitness and conditioning program is shocking in Fremantle, especially when people at richmond notice, because he and Simmonds were terribly out of shap when the arrived.

 

[_RT_]

You lost me after "Statistically".....

Well it does seem to be what Terry uses to decide who gets games each week lately. I seem to recall after the axe swung a few weeks back it was because the players dropped did not have impact on the games be that through lack of ground time of amount of ball won. I am not saying neither of them deserve to remain in the side just saying why they won't get dropped.

 

[astro_toby]

hahaahha. oh my. hahaha.


Polak is a disasterous kick. He has good hands, but only takes marks uncontested. He has been playing loose all year, hence the stats. This way Wallace looks good. You guys think he did great on the weekend, yet while he pulled in a bundle of uncontested marks to finish with 15 marks total, Pavlich took 15 marks in his own forward line and won the game for us in the last quarter. As soon as we sent Thornton back onto Polak he wasn't to be seen.



Tarrant has been sensational for us this year, particulalry considering he missed a large chunk of preseason due to a double calf operation. While Tarrant has kicked 22 goals in the shadow of Pavlich, the following are Richmond's stats...

hahahah oh my - hahahaha


yeah tarrant is a brilliant kick - pretty sure most collingwood people would disagree, and also channel 7's AFL promotion team

Polak is being paid a truck load less than tarrant, he is playing in a weaker side, we gave up a LOT less for him - and he is the 2nd most experienced player in our very young backline - and as brilliant as tezza has apparently been this season - your club is playing well below expectations - and many believe that richmond lost the game on sunday, rather than you won it - richmond are rubbish at the moment, we know it & we accept it - we have no choice, so trying to impress me with goal comparisons against our side this season - well its not a significant point.

if you guys finish any lower than 4th this season, with Tarrant (and by the way, have you seen HIS of-field record??? ) added to your side - than you are a failure. if you can't win a flag with tarrant in the next 3-4 seasons - more of a failure.

Polak may have had been a bad egg while in Perth, but at the look of the papers in the past 2 years with all the headlines your two sides have made - well, he was probably just going with the crowd.

 

[Madtiger2006]

hahaahha. oh my. hahaha.

Firstly we didnt get sucked in to the Polak trade. We traded him for reasons that we are not allowed to discuss on this site, and which the media have been banned from reporting on. We got rid of him for all the good reasons. Go google Polak + Thurstans + Gardiner and you might find some information.

Secondly, Polak <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tarrant

Polak is a disasterous kick. He has good hands, but only takes marks uncontested. He has been playing loose all year, hence the stats. This way Wallace looks good. You guys think he did great on the weekend, yet while he pulled in a bundle of uncontested marks to finish with 15 marks total, Pavlich took 15 marks in his own forward line and won the game for us in the last quarter. As soon as we sent Thornton back onto Polak he wasn't to be seen.

Many have said that his game agaisnt the Eagles was the best game he'd played this year. Hansen kicked a career high 4 goals from CHF, whilst Lynch kicked 4 goals from FF. With such a weak bunch of tall forwards, you'd think that Polak could have manned someone up and restricted their scoring, instead of picking up bundles of chip kick marks and uncontested possessions.

The problem is that Polak is only playable as a loose man in defence, which is the easiest place on the ground to end up.

Tarrant has been sensational for us this year, particulalry considering he missed a large chunk of preseason due to a double calf operation. While Tarrant has kicked 22 goals in the shadow of Pavlich, the following are Richmond's stats...

Rank Name ................Games Total
1 ....Matthew Richardson....11..... 26
2 ....Kayne Pettifer............11......14
3 ....Richard Tambling.........10......13

Tarrant is shit, he's the worst kick in the league and that makes him a useless player. Polak is alot more valuable and you lost a very good player. He was disgruntled with your club and that effected his chances and his form.