Drop MacGill

[Crooked Rain]

I think the Boxing Day Test is the perfect time to blood Vic leggie Cameron White into the Aussie team.

I think MacGill offers nothing the Indians haven't seen before and all he is good for against a batting side as competent as the Indians is outfoxing a couple of tail enders with full tosses.

White can also bat while Macgill just doesn't seem to give a **** with the willow in hand.

Warne will obviously return, but White should be groomed as his back up.

Maybe use MacGill in Sydney, but something differnent must be tried in the must-win melbourne game.

cr.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

White isn't ready. he needs a few Australia A games and ODI's before he'll be ready. When your tied(ir one down, depending on what happens tomorrow) in a major series against stiff opposition, it's not the right time to blood new inexperienced players, you have to go with experience. If they dropped Smiley(which they won't), it'd be Hogg and Hauritz getting a run before anyone else got a look in.

 

[Cooldude]

If you want to send poor Cameron, who'd still a bit green, into what is likely to be a full house MCG, bowling against Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly and Tendulkar at the peak of their powers, smashing him all over the big MCG ground and completely crush his confidence, then hell, pick him.

Might be an upside to it, Warne got belted in his debut and it doesn't seem to affect him, but still, White doesn't have the craft to survive in Test level yet.

 

[The Passenger]

as posted in another thread, macgill must surely be one of the unluckiest bowlers in history, simply because he isn't shane warne.

aside from now and when grimmett and o'reilly were in tandem, macgill would've got been a regular starter in any other other team at any period in time.

he's performances stack up with just about any spinners.

 

[Crooked Rain]

If not White, then Hauritz.

The Indians have seen it all before with Macgill - the tail-end specialist. He offers nothing against this mob's strong spin-dominating batsmen.

cr.

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by Crooked Rain
If not White, then Hauritz.

The Indians have seen it all before with Macgill - the tail-end specialist. He offers nothing against this mob's strong spin-dominating batsmen.

cr.

What makes you think that Hauritz, who bowls nothing but off spinners without a sufficent straight one or arm ball, would offer more than Macgill, who does have subtle variation? Any spinner wouldn't fare that well against India, they are the best nation against spin, and I thought MacGill bowled quite well in the first test and pretty okay in the second, no need to change.

 

[Crooked Rain]

Originally posted by Cooldude
If you want to send poor Cameron, who'd still a bit green, into what is likely to be a full house MCG, bowling against Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly and Tendulkar at the peak of their powers, smashing him all over the big MCG ground and completely crush his confidence, then hell, pick him.

Might be an upside to it, Warne got belted in his debut and it doesn't seem to affect him, but still, White doesn't have the craft to survive in Test level yet.

Warne's state figures were not good at the time of his initial selection and they still gambled on him back in 91/92 against the Indians when the series was still in the balance.

I'd like to see a bit of Deja Vu for the sake of the future.

cr.

 

[Becker]

Originally posted by Crooked Rain
Warne's state figures were not good at the time of his initial selection and they still gambled on him back in 91/92 against the Indians when the series was still in the balance.

I'd like to see a bit of Deja Vu for the sake of the future.

cr.

The selection of Warne was no gamble. It was obvious he was going to mature into a quality leg spinner. I would have thought the Warne v MacGill debate has been laid to rest by now. Under no circumstances could Shane Warne bowl as badly as MacGill has this summer.

 

[marcuz]

MacGill is the next best spinner in the country behind warney. You have to play him on that fact alone. Unfortunately his batting is useless and his fielding isn't much better. He bowled o.k in brisbane. I don't think he troubles india's top order too much but if the quicks do their job he won't have to.

 

[LordLucifer]

MacGill is poop !!!

He bowls far too many full tosses and absolute 'gifts' down leg side to be really effective. And as for this bowling round the wicket crap ...............

The one thing in his favour is that he does get genuine turn which gives him some sort of advantage over the batsmen.

 

[EagleBlue]

Originally posted by TheSheik
MacGill is poop !!!

He bowls far too many full tosses and absolute 'gifts' down leg side to be really effective. And as for this bowling round the wicket crap ...............

The one thing in his favour is that he does get genuine turn which gives him some sort of advantage over the batsmen.

I agree, although along the lines of the "Drop Langer" and 'Drop Bichel" campaigns, he is now certain to take a bagful today and win the match for Australia

 

[Fall Out Boy]

After seeing the clown field today, i'd rather see Ricky Ponting bowl some leggies.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
After seeing the clown field today, i'd rather see Ricky Ponting bowl some leggies.

i swear he is selected for his bowling ability

cheers!

 

[CatManDo]

If you think MacGill should be dropped you are just plain dumb.

MacGill, the leading test wicket taker in the world this year.

MacGill, Australia's leading wicket taker in this series against India.

MacGill, who would surely be, by almost all accounts, the second best leg spinner in the world.


Before you bemoan the absence of Warne, check his record against India. It aint that flash.

Drop MacGill - another ingenious installment in the "drop an Aussie player cause I said so" campaign.

 

[corporal]

Considering White isn't even nearly ready to bowl at test level, who would you replace MacGill with.. Brad Hogg? John Davison?

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by CatManDo

Before you bemoan the absence of Warne, check his record against India. It aint that flash.

Warnie certainly doesn't have a great record against India, but Dravid's his bunny, so at least Warne would've dismissed Dravid somehow.

 

[swans_supporter]

Stuart is absolute trash. For him to be in the side highlights our **** weak standard of spinners in Australia. His bowling is poor, far too many full tossers, long hops, balls that spin too far for perfect cutting length and around the wicket?? Then when he fields!!!!!!!!! The attempt on a Dravid shot was under 10 standard, should be dropped on that alone. At least Hoggy is a team player and has a crack. Then when u put a bat in his hand he steps away and ducks his head. Mcgrath at least tries to stick it out. One of our worst all round cricketers.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by Crooked Rain
Warne's state figures were not good at the time of his initial selection and they still gambled on him back in 91/92 against the Indians when the series was still in the balance.

I'd like to see a bit of Deja Vu for the sake of the future.

cr.

apart from the fact deja-vu would see him get smacked for 150 odd, not really a good idea in a must win game.

And yeah, the series was in the balance after the aussies had just crushed the Indians in the first two tests

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by TheSheik

And as for this bowling round the wicket crap ...............

keeping in mind how difficult it is to argue againt the rolleyes argument, the rough is outside leg, and whilst the Indians virtually play at every ball, can be a handy weapon with turn like that and a stacked leg side field with a catching option for leading edges on the offside.

I didnt catch a lot of the game, but as long as he used it sparingly and as an attacking option, not like Ashley Giles.

 

[lamby29]

Originally posted by swans_supporter
Stuart is absolute trash. For him to be in the side highlights our **** weak standard of spinners in Australia. His bowling is poor, far too many full tossers, long hops, balls that spin too far for perfect cutting length and around the wicket?? Then when he fields!!!!!!!!! The attempt on a Dravid shot was under 10 standard, should be dropped on that alone. At least Hoggy is a team player and has a crack. Then when u put a bat in his hand he steps away and ducks his head. Mcgrath at least tries to stick it out. One of our worst all round cricketers.

Well said, I agree 100%.

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by nicko18
keeping in mind how difficult it is to argue againt the rolleyes argument, the rough is outside leg, and whilst the Indians virtually play at every ball, can be a handy weapon with turn like that and a stacked leg side field with a catching option for leading edges on the offside.

I didnt catch a lot of the game, but as long as he used it sparingly and as an attacking option, not like Ashley Giles.

Yes, he probably got it wrong to straight away bowl around the wicket and kept it there, but we seem to take it for granted how Warnie always lands them at the spot and has perfect control, whereas Macgill is a more typical legspinner who will bowl loose balls.

Forgive Macgill, it's not his fault, that's why wrist spin was in virtual extinction for decades until Warne appeared, we give away too many runs.

 

[Z_K]

I don't reckon he should be dropped, but I don't rate him at all.

He bowls mountains of garbage. When a you are playing a side that can't work out spin, this can pass. The great ones he bowls (and he can produce an unplayable that equals Warnes IMO) are too often followed by absolute short pitched rubbish. Usually blokes that stuggle against spin struggle to the extent that they can't even put away the crap he throws down. He is too stump directed. When bowling against blokes who can pick you like they pick their nose, hitting the pitch around middle and off is mental. He cannot doesn't drift it enough either.

He can turn it a long way and his wrongun is a weapon against some countries, but Laxman was laughing at him today. He is not subtle enough IMO. Leggies have to work at Batsmen over a period of overs. He doesn't have the patience or the control to achieve this IMO.

Add the fact that he is a complete liability in the field and can't even hold a bat, and Cam White is looking like a pretty attractive proposition IMO. He will not take mountains of wickets and he may concede some runs, but he can do some very good stuff in the field and would more than hold his own with the bat at Test level

 

[Dog Town]

I agree Whites not ready.Did anyone see Mcgill bowl a variation?I recall one attempt at a flipper and it almost rolled down the pitch.Even Hoggy has some vicious variation deliveries.Stock standard leg breaks and wronguns arnt enough against good opponents especially when you spin the ball as far as Mcgill.Gives them to much time!

 

[marcuz]

Originally posted by CatManDo
Before you bemoan the absence of Warne, check his record against India. It aint that flash.

Lets put it into perspective though. Debuted against a country that eats spin bowling for breakfast.

Came back underdone from a serious finger operation that could have ended his career only to hit India first up.

Played a series against India with a bung shoulder which didnt allow him to put anywhere near the spin on the ball. Had an operation straight after the series.

Played fully fit in aust and did pretty well against them. We never got to see warney in full flight 93-96 against them.

 

[wagstaff]

It wouldn't be out of the question for MacGill to be dropped for the next Test.

His figures for the match were lousy (4/244) but if anything, made his bowling look better then what it actually was - 2 of his wickets were tailenders and the two top-order batsmen he got resulted from brain-fades from the batsmen, not any particularly good bowling on his part.

Worst of all, Katich looked easily more accurate and likely to take a wicket then MacGill did on the final day. VVS Laxman had far more trouble with Katich then he did with MacGill.

Probably the main argument that could be put forward for MacGill to be replaced is that he's never really troubled any of the Indian batsmen to any level during this series.