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Not sure I follow all of that...
This a forum and if you censor people from expressing their opinion then you won't have a forum
This is a forum, it has rules, like just about every forum or form of social media on the internet, they all seem to survive without every user packing up and leaving.
 

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Not sure I follow all of that...
This a forum and if you censor people from expressing their opinion then you won't have a forum

In order to get Ad revenue from Google, you have to adhere their T&C's. If illegal content, porn or whatever else Google doesn't like is posted on the forum gets picked up by the google bots and starts appearing in the search feeds. Google will withdraw advertising revenue. They usually give warnings and highlight the content that needs to be removed. Enough breaches and that's it no more money.

Without that advertising revenue, Chief is paying for this site out of his own pocket.
 

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In order to get Ad revenue from Google, you have to adhere their T&C's. If illegal content, porn or whatever else Google doesn't like is posted on the forum gets picked up by the google bots and starts appearing in the search feeds. Google will withdraw advertising revenue. They usually give warnings and highlight the content that needs to be removed. Enough breaches and that's it no more money.

Without that advertising revenue, Chief is paying for this site out of his own pocket.
Interesting....i didn't know that
So are google being moral warriors or just identified that as an avenue 2 boost revenue
 

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This is a forum, it has rules, like just about every forum or form of social media on the internet, they all seem to survive without every user packing up and leaving.
Of course!
It needs rules because we live amongst morons and people with bad attentions
The flip side is when it's used to stop open discussion
 

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Of course!
It needs rules because we live amongst morons and people with bad attentions
The flip side is when it's used to stop open discussion
yes but the rules set what can be a topic for open discussion as per that sites norms

Interesting....i didn't know that
So are google being moral warriors or just identified that as an avenue 2 boost revenue
they have to answer to the companies that are paying them to advertise

this isn't anything new, the kinds of companies that would adverise in the newspaper vs people magazine for example
 

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yes but the rules set what can be a topic for open discussion as per that sites norms


they have to answer to the companies that are paying them to advertise

this isn't anything new, the kinds of companies that would adverise in the newspaper vs people magazine for example
rules/laws
2 steal a line from bill hicks
people create laws and people can be stupid
 

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yes but the rules set what can be a topic for open discussion as per that sites norms


they have to answer to the companies that are paying them to advertise

this isn't anything new, the kinds of companies that would adverise in the newspaper vs people magazine for example
The topic was " drugs " and i never started it
Is this page 11 ? its being discussed dude
I feel like you are saying that we cant say things that might be a funding issue from the advertises
Can you see a problem with that ?
 

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https://www.news.com.au/technology/...l/news-story/802cb33cd85310e941814e1a2753ccd3

"Mr Benhaim pointed to research which has emerged over the past two decades which shows we all have something in our body called an endocannabinoid system.

This is our body’s way of processing and even creating its own cannabinoids — the chemical compounds found in the weed plant.

Working alongside our circulatory, respiratory and digestive system, it is argued the endocannabinoid system can impact our appetite, pain modulation, digestion, reproduction, motor learning, stress, and memory.

“This has only been discovered in the past few decades and it’s incredibly important because it affects the balance and communication between our cells,” he said.

“It’s hardwired into our bodies because it’s the master of our balance system — called homeostasis.

“This means that if any aspect of your health goes out due to stress your endocannabinoid system immediately responds by modifying your physiology in an attempt to restore homeostasis.

“It is one of the most important system in maintaining human health. It is literally bridge between your body and mind.”

He said people often confuse hemp and cannabis, but they are actually the same plant and parts of it such as hemp seeds — which contain almost none of the intoxicating, psychoactive property THC which makes weed smokers feel stoned — are immensely beneficial to human health.

“It’s all actually one, plant, cannabis is one single plant and there are many different parts of the plant which you can use for many different uses,” he said.

“Taking out the water content, your brain is made up of 60 per cent fatty acids — omega 3 and omega 6 and realised hemp seed was a great source of that.”

He claims we need a constant supply of these fatty acids in our body.

But bafflingly, this protein-rich superfood, which can be used in more than 50,000 ways uses from acne treatment to textiles, bioplastics, paper and fuel production — only became legal in Australia less than a year ago.

Australia was one of the only places in the world where it was banned."
 

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"Cannabis is the most widely used drug in the country, with 12 per cent of people reporting having used it in the past year.

At the moment, the black market is worth at least $4.5 billion a year — all of which goes into the pockets of criminals and organised gangs, the Oceania Cannabis Report found.

There has been a growing movement calling for recreational cannabis use to be decriminalised, on the back of several American states and Canada.

If Australia followed suit, the total market — combining recreational and medicinal use — would be worth $5.5 billion annually.

After successful lobbying, medicinal marijuana has become legal for certain sufferers of chronic illness and disease.

However, the high cost, low availability and strict regulations mean take-up has been lacklustre, the New Frontier Data report said.

“As of September 2018, there were just over 1000 medical cannabis patients registered in

Australia, which is a significantly lower patient participation rate than commonly seen in other
legal medical cannabis markets.”

Based on its data set, the report estimates that the medical cannabis patient population in Australia could hit 330,000 by 2050.

The cost of medicinal cannabis has dropped by 50 per cent in the past year, but approved Australian patients still pay almost a quarter above what illegal marijuana costs.

More suppliers are needed to bring down prices, but strict regulation has seen market growth slow.

The latest government research on community attitudes to cannabis found many people are more progressive in their views than the current laws reflect.

According to the National Drug Strategy Household Survey, 84 per cent of Australians are in favour of legislation allowing the use of medicinal cannabis.

However, there is far less support for sanctioned recreational use of the drug, with 35 per cent of people in favour of change.

Support is more widespread among young people, with half of people aged 18 to 39 comfortable with regulating and taxing cannabis, but older Aussies are staunchly opposed.

But regardless, 73 per cent of people don’t support cannabis possession being a crime.

Currently, being caught with cannabis in Australia is a crime, but several states consider possessing a very small amount for personal use to be illegal but not a criminal offence.

The vast majority of police activity in regards to drugs is for cannabis offences, and nine-in-10 arrests are of users rather than growers, distributors and dealers.

Opponents of decriminalising recreational use fear it will encourage greater use of the drug, particularly among younger people.

However, Nicole Lee from Curtin University’s National Drug Research Institute wrote in The Conversationthat there is no evidence to support that fear.

A number of studies have shown there are health ramifications associated with significant regular use, including a doubling of the risk of psychotic symptoms in extreme cases.

It can cause anxiety and depression and according to drug reform organisation The Ted Noffs Foundation, it can be addictive.

Teenagers who use cannabis tend to have poorer educational outcomes, driving while under the influence of cannabis almost doubles the risk of accidents and women who smoke while pregnant can damage their baby’s health.

At the end of the day, using cannabis has an inebriating effect, which has a range of consequences on its own.


Proponents of legalising recreational cannabis use argue the benefits are many, including reducing harm by regulating the drug and its production, ensuring a consistency in potency.

It could also result in less risky behaviours when the threat of criminal prosecution is removed.

Matt Noffs said prohibition usually causes more damage and the smarter option was to take control of the health and safety risks with strong regulation.

A recent study found that recreational drug use has become much more mainstream in Australia, especially when it comes to cannabis.

But the issue of legalising recreational cannabis use was raised in Australia recently, after Canada’s move to completely decriminalise it.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison was asked if he would follow suit and his response was a resounding no."

https://www.news.com.au/finance/eco...s/news-story/50cef9f897412bdbcdb2ec33aa448c1e
 

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Smokes and booze and gambling is fine, yay to maccas and coke and pepsi, valium sure, prescription pain killers and all sorts of questionable medicines go for it

Weed? Nah its a ******* drug mate cant have that

The mind boggles, how the government turns their back on that revenue is next level head in the sand shit
 

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Maybe it's not just about the money. Might be that the two legal drugs cause the most death and disease burden in society. So adding a third legal drug might not be so good. Legalising marijuana would most likely increase general adult usage, which I cant really see benefiting the community at large. The other thing to consider is what normalising drugs does to the next generation coming through. Young people growing up thinking marijuana is a safe product just because it's legal could have some long term ramifications.
 

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Maybe it's not just about the money. Might be that the two legal drugs cause the most death and disease burden in society. So adding a third legal drug might not be so good. Legalising marijuana would most likely increase general adult usage, which I cant really see benefiting the community at large. The other thing to consider is what normalising drugs does to the next generation coming through. Young people growing up thinking marijuana is a safe product just because it's legal could have some long term ramifications.
You legalise it you control it.
It won't kill the black market but it will significantly reduce it.
Instead of just spending money on arresting users, because that's about all they do, they earn income which can be used to fund education on it.
Not to mention the benefits for the scientific community, the hemp growers etc.
The first group can more easily study what weed can do good and bad and the second can sell their products with less stigma or road blocks.

Tobacco is legal but usage isn't rising.

Taking away the doing something naughty/illegal element from smoking pot will see those that use anyway perhaps do it more but it's not suddenly going to open the floodgates and have people that wouldn't have wanted to smoke jump on and start
 

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You legalise it you control it.
It won't kill the black market but it will significantly reduce it.
Instead of just spending money on arresting users, because that's about all they do, they earn income which can be used to fund education on it.
Not to mention the benefits for the scientific community, the hemp growers etc.
The first group can more easily study what weed can do good and bad and the second can sell their products with less stigma or road blocks.

Tobacco is legal but usage isn't rising.

Taking away the doing something naughty/illegal element from smoking pot will see those that use anyway perhaps do it more but it's not suddenly going to open the floodgates and have people that wouldn't have wanted to smoke jump on and start
Yeah, not expecting floodgates to open, but it's worth being cautious over. There's early evidence that in places like Denver and Seattle there's increased driving while high and teenage attitudes toward the drug are less risk averse. Just dangers to consider that will affect society at large and not just the drug users.
 

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yeah it's a quality discussion and you both make valid points.

The only thing i know is the 'war' on drugs is the most ridiculous solution.
 

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Maybe it's not just about the money. Might be that the two legal drugs cause the most death and disease burden in society. So adding a third legal drug might not be so good. Legalising marijuana would most likely increase general adult usage, which I cant really see benefiting the community at large. The other thing to consider is what normalising drugs does to the next generation coming through. Young people growing up thinking marijuana is a safe product just because it's legal could have some long term ramifications.
My opinion is that legalisation won't convince people to smoke weed if they haven't already done so while it's illegal. Weed isn't exactly difficult to get.

In the Netherlands, what you'll notice is a lot of the younger generation having had only tried weed once. It's interesting to see what normalisation has had on their use of weed over the decades, which is declining.
 

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My opinion is that legalisation won't convince people to smoke weed if they haven't already done so while it's illegal. Weed isn't exactly difficult to get.

In the Netherlands, what you'll notice is a lot of the younger generation having had only tried weed once. It's interesting to see what normalisation has had on their use of weed over the decades, which is declining.
Yeah, I think the early research is showing increased uptake by adults after legalisation.
In terms of the Netherlands, and this is just my gut feel. I've never lived there, so only my impressions from visiting on holidays. We're a very different culture here. We have a drink till you drop mentality that they don't see to have, I could see Aussies thinking. Hmm I haven't passed out yet, I should have another joint.
 

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Yeah, I think the early research is showing increased uptake by adults after legalisation.
In terms of the Netherlands, and this is just my gut feel. I've never lived there, so only my impressions from visiting on holidays. We're a very different culture here. We have a drink till you drop mentality that they don't see to have, I could see Aussies thinking. Hmm I haven't passed out yet, I should have another joint.
I do agree about cultural differences, you'll notice it even in their party scene with illicit drugs. They're a lot more responsible, at least from as far as I could tell living there.

I'm not a huge weed smoker but my feel is that smoking a joint wouldn't be as susceptible to that sort of drink/smoke till you drop attitude that alcohol has? But yeah, chronic use and addiction may very well still be prevalent. But ideally, the de-stimgmatisation that comes with decriminalisation/legalisation would mean they can address long-term harms through education.
 

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Looks like a bad batch of something in Sydney at the moment. 1 person dead, two more hospitalised, 130 sought treatment and two people arrested for drug distribution.

Naturally the police are quick to blame punters: ""It's obvious they [drugs] are just not safe. Many young people aren't getting the message... that these drugs aren't safe and there's no safe limit."
 

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Looks like a bad batch of something in Sydney at the moment. 1 person dead, two more hospitalised, 130 sought treatment and two people arrested for drug distribution.

Naturally the police are quick to blame punters: ""It's obvious they [drugs] are just not safe. Many young people aren't getting the message... that these drugs aren't safe and there's no safe limit."
Not just at the moment, there's been a concerning number of drug deaths, overdoses and hospitalisations at many events in Sydney over the last couple years. It's very concerning.

Worst thing is being at one of these events and seeing paramedics trying to make their way through the crowd with a stretcher.
 
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