Drum at fullback?

[FootyEater]

well it has been a fair while since i started this thread, and have only just been able to read it. one part of the argument that i have seen has been bradley coming into the team. i think murphy is our best player out of the top 22, he really needs to get into form because i honestly think that murphy at FF pav at chf and taz at hf along with farmer belly and headland could result us in having the best forward line in the league.

bradley coming into the team IMO would be handy because i really dont rate gilmore, i think he may always be a bit player at best, bradley has played some good footy as a backup ruckman. and as for Kiwi, i was disgusted when i found out that the club had re-signed him for a further two years. he is by a long way the worst player on our list, and while i have never rated bradley, i would rate him a lot higher than campbell.

i have seen what people have had to say about drummy, and it has convinced me that maybe he could be a good FB, and if he turns out half as good as scarlett then it would be well worth giving him a crack at FB

 

[theGav56]

i have seen what people have had to say about drummy, and it has convinced me that maybe he could be a good FB, and if he turns out half as good as scarlett then it would be well worth giving him a crack at FB

Geelong often try and get Scarlett on a less mobile forward rather than playing him as FB, and Scarlett then tries to run off him as a rebounding defender. Not really sure that I would call his role FB, although he has and sometimes does play there. But it isn't actually the role that we have problems with, and in fact most of our defenders can work in that area.

 

[FootyEater]

anyway i dont know why everyone thinks we are devoid of a backman, we have a current allaustralian full back in our lineup. unfortunately he is also matthew pavlich

 

[ALM_30]

Geelong often try and get Scarlett on a less mobile forward rather than playing him as FB, and Scarlett then tries to run off him as a rebounding defender. Not really sure that I would call his role FB, although he has and sometimes does play there. But it isn't actually the role that we have problems with, and in fact most of our defenders can work in that area.

Wrong. Scarlett plays FB on the FF every single week, if you watched enough Geelong you would know that. To say Geelong try and free Scarlett up is a baseless insult to a champion defender, who doesn't need to be freed up (and never has been) because he has always played with great attacking proficiency.

Here is a list of Scarlett's opponents during 2007, if you could point out which one's weren't their teams respective FF, and which one wasn't their team's most dangerous, GOAL-KICKING forward, it would be appreciated.

Adelaide: Scott Welsh
Brisbane: Jarred Brennan
Carlton: Brendan Fevola
Collingwood: Anthony Rocca
Essendon: Scott Lucas
Fremantle: Chris Tarrant
Hawhtorn: Mark Williams
Kangaroos: Aaron Edwards/Drew Petrie
Melbourne: David Nietz
Port: Bret Ebert/Justin Westhoff
Richmond: Jay Schulz
St. Kilda: Fraser Gerhig
Sydney: Michael O'Loughlin
West Coast: Quinten Lynch
Western Bulldogs: Brad Johnson

It is a common misconception that Scarlett didn't play on the best goal kicking forwards, surprising considering that clearly he did. All these players (unhighlighted) are their teams repsective FF and/or their most lethal and prevelent goal kickers. In the case of Richardson, Pavlich and Brown Scarlett didn't play on them because they are CHF's so Egan got them, and Barry Hall didn't play.

Rest assured Scarlett plays FB, and he is the league's best and has been for a long time, Geelong have never tried to free him up because they don't need to, and he does play on the best forward the vast majority of the season.

Besides, if he didn't play FB then who did? I think you just need to watch Geelong a bit more that's all.

Honest mistake on your part.

 

[theGav56]

I think you just need to watch Geelong a bit more that's all.

Honest mistake on your part.

Love to watch more of Geelong.

Your thoughts welcome. Your attitude sucks.

 

[Underdog]

In the case of Richardson, Pavlich and Brown Scarlett didn't play on them because they are CHF's so Egan got them, and Barry Hall didn't play.

That's a bit of a stretch, they play more of a combined role. Either way, it's irrelevant as not playing on Richardson, Pavlich, Brown and Franklin means that for more then 25% of the competition, he doesn't play on the most dangerous forward regardless of whether someone else takes him.

Lets also keep in mind that the 4 listed above are 4 superstars of the competition...playing on blokes like Welsh, Petrie, an aging Neitz and Gehrig is much easier despite them being their sides best forward

So one could say, Scarlett plays on less then 75% of the best forwards and those that he didn't play on were the top 3 goal scorers in the league and a proven performer who booted 53 in a basketcase side

 

[Lach72]

Wrong. Scarlett plays FB on the FF every single week, if you watched enough Geelong you would know that. To say Geelong try and free Scarlett up is a baseless insult to a champion defender, who doesn't need to be freed up (and never has been) because he has always played with great attacking proficiency.

Here is a list of Scarlett's opponents during 2007, if you could point out which one's weren't their teams respective FF, and which one wasn't their team's most dangerous, GOAL-KICKING forward, it would be appreciated.

Adelaide: Scott Welsh
Brisbane: Jarred Brennan
Carlton: Brendan Fevola
Collingwood: Anthony Rocca
Essendon: Scott Lucas
Fremantle: Chris Tarrant
Hawhtorn: Mark Williams
Kangaroos: Aaron Edwards/Drew Petrie
Melbourne: David Nietz
Port: Bret Ebert/Justin Westhoff
Richmond: Jay Schulz
St. Kilda: Fraser Gerhig
Sydney: Michael O'Loughlin
West Coast: Quinten Lynch
Western Bulldogs: Brad Johnson

It is a common misconception that Scarlett didn't play on the best goal kicking forwards, surprising considering that clearly he did. All these players (unhighlighted) are their teams repsective FF and/or their most lethal and prevelent goal kickers. In the case of Richardson, Pavlich and Brown Scarlett didn't play on them because they are CHF's so Egan got them, and Barry Hall didn't play.

Rest assured Scarlett plays FB, and he is the league's best and has been for a long time, Geelong have never tried to free him up because they don't need to, and he does play on the best forward the vast majority of the season.

Besides, if he didn't play FB then who did? I think you just need to watch Geelong a bit more that's all.

Honest mistake on your part.

BS...Darren Glass is the best full back in the comp by so far it's not funny.

 

[theGav56]

BS...Darren Glass is the best full back in the comp by so far it's not funny.

And you won't see him running through the midfield half as much as you will Scarlett.

 

[ALM_30]

BS...Darren Glass is the best full back in the comp by so far it's not funny.

Bullshit would mean that everything I said was untrue which isn't the case at all, and I'm certain you can't prove otherwise. Why you elected to include Darren Glass into the argument was intriguing, because in no way was I pumping up Scarlett's tyres, I was merely correcting an ignorant Dockers fan who said Scarlett doesn't play FB, which is, quite frankly, laughable.

You think Darren Glass is better fine, that's your opinion, but it isn't too hard to think Glass is the best coming from Perth when you see him on TV and hear the newspapers talking about him, and pumping him up all the time. Come to Melbourne most people think Scarlett is better.

 

[Underdog]

but it isn't too hard to think Glass is the best coming from Perth when you see him on TV and hear the newspapers talking about him, and pumping him up all the time.

You have never been to Perth have you?

 

[ALM_30]

That's a bit of a stretch, they play more of a combined role. Either way, it's irrelevant as not playing on Richardson, Pavlich, Brown and Franklin means that for more then 25% of the competition, he doesn't play on the most dangerous forward regardless of whether someone else takes him.

Lets also keep in mind that the 4 listed above are 4 superstars of the competition...playing on blokes like Welsh, Petrie, an aging Neitz and Gehrig is much easier despite them being their sides best forward

So one could say, Scarlett plays on less then 75% of the best forwards and those that he didn't play on were the top 3 goal scorers in the league and a proven performer who booted 53 in a basketcase side

Scott Lucas, Johnson and Fev aren't superstar forwards? I'm sure Fev was top 3 in the Coleman, Lucas and Johnson would easily have been 4 and 5.

The fact is Geelong's defence was so good, that Scarlett could stay at FB playing on the FF, and Egan (who didn't play on Franklin by the way) could hold down CHB, without having to throw them around.

Scarlett has played on Richo, Pav and Brown, plenty of times before and beaten them comfortably at CHF, but this year he didn't have to, he could stay in his traditional position, playing on the most dangerous "goal kicking" forward MOST weeks, which 75% is, I never said he played on them every week, I said he played on them most weeks and stayed at FB every week.

I think the point about Scarlett playing FB every week has been proven now, which was my original intention, so let's end it there and talk a little more about this boy Drum.

 

[ALM_30]

You have never been to Perth have you?

I check the West Australian on my computer every day, as I do with most major newspapers, and I listen to the broadcast of Eagles games over the radio, which come into Melbourne usually late Saturday afternoon and Sunday night during the season, and believe me they pump up Glass big time on all fronts.

 

[kp junior]

I check the West Australian on my computer every day, as I do with most major newspapers, and I listen to the broadcast of Eagles games over the radio, which come into Melbourne usually late Saturday afternoon and Sunday night during the season, and believe me they pump up Glass big time on all fronts.

That might explain why we're so ignorant, we don't have computers in Perth yet. Any day now..

 

[ALM_30]

That might explain why we're so ignorant, we don't have computers in Perth yet. Any day now..

LOL OK then, if you think you and your people are ignorant.

 

[shibz_1989]

Bullshit would mean that everything I said was untrue which isn't the case at all, and I'm certain you can't prove otherwise. Why you elected to include Darren Glass into the argument was intriguing, because in no way was I pumping up Scarlett's tyres, I was merely correcting an ignorant Dockers fan who said Scarlett doesn't play FB, which is, quite frankly, laughable.

You think Darren Glass is better fine, that's your opinion, but it isn't too hard to think Glass is the best coming from Perth when you see him on TV and hear the newspapers talking about him, and pumping him up all the time. Come to Melbourne most people think Scarlett is better.

Didn't Glass win AA?

 

[ALM_30]

Didn't Glass win AA?

Yeah so, SOS didn't win AA every year he played, does that mean people shouldn't think he was was the FB of the century and/or the best at he's position when he was playing?

A lot of people have a lot of varying opinions about who is the best at what position. Bartel won the Brownlow, but does that make him a better midfielder overall than Chris Judd? No it doesn't. Just like Glass winning AA doesn't neccessarily make him a better full- back overall than Matty Scarlett. Alot of people think it does, a lot of people, including me think it doesn't.

Again, why Glass is being discussed? He has nothing to do with anything.

 

[kp junior]

You sir, are a massive ****wit

 

[Moo]

You sir, are a massive ****wit

He is OK - just got a bit of a tood.

He does have a point though - I would consider Scarlett the FB and to be honest it is hard to split him and Glass.

Scarlett gives you a lot more rebound but he has a superior supporting cast in the back half. Glass is a superb full back as a stopper and he will track his opponent down the ground.

When Scarlett runs there is Egan, Harley plus a very accountable support crew who cover his direct opponent.

The Eagles play more man to man, Wirrapunda is not a defensive loose man, he sweeps.

Drum is more akin to a Scarlett type than a Glass type (early looks at Rance make him seem more a Glass)....which is the only point that matters in this thread.

At the end of the day they are 2 champs - Drum is unlikely to be as good as either but we can hope.

 

[kp junior]

Has there been any suggestion from the coaching staff that he could be tried at fullback?, or is it just speculation?How does he measure up height / weight wise vs Scarlett/Glass?
On the Scarlett v Glass thing, I'd take Scarlett by a nose if given the choice.

 

[Ysaye]

Has there been any suggestion from the coaching staff that he could be tried at fullback?, or is it just speculation?How does he measure up height / weight wise vs Scarlett/Glass?
On the Scarlett v Glass thing, I'd take Scarlett by a nose if given the choice.

Just speculation that started on this board.

Marcus Drum - 190cm / 88kg
Matthew Scarlett - 192cm / 95kg
Darren Glass - 192cm / 95 kg

 

[ALM_30]

Just speculation that started on this board.

Marcus Drum - 190cm / 88kg
Matthew Scarlett - 192cm / 95kg
Darren Glass - 192cm / 95 kg

He played primarily as a key backman for the Murray Bushrangers during his U18's days, and had a tremendous National Carnival playing as a FB/CHB.

I really want to see him developed as a defender if not a key defender, because he is a real nautral back there, he's got great temprement, natural defensive nous, is willing to back his judgement and has solid skills to back all that up.

I really see him as one to watch in 2008, I'm looking forward, under a new coach to him getting some more time.

At this stage he is undersized for FB, no doubt, but hey like I said, Scarlett started his career, believe it or not at 190-1cm and 75kg, way back in 1998, and most defenders do take a little longer to develop.