DT 2011 Mids Thread

[dewey13]

Of course. You cant waste Harris and Swallow etc on the bench.

Agree, have both harris and swallow on the feild.

Benchwise though:

Pittard v Atley????

Would Libba or Wallis even be a better inclusion?

 

[banana_bus]

So why wouldn't you have a midpricer like Foley or Ward at M6, and Harris at M7?

Because youre wasting Harris on the bench??

Basically, it depends on your structure. If you are starting 2 rooks, then you need Swallow. If youre just starting Harris, then Swallow would be a really good backup on the bench as you will have injuries/susp/byes.

Rookies like Atley, Conca, Pittard will struggle to be best 21 and you may find them stinking it up as a sub.

 

[Main Man]

Because youre wasting Harris on the bench??

Basically, it depends on your structure. If you are starting 2 rooks, then you need Swallow. If youre just starting Harris, then Swallow would be a really good backup on the bench as you will have injuries/susp/byes.

Rookies like Atley, Conca, Pittard will struggle to be best 21 and you may find them stinking it up as a sub.

Based on that theory then aren't you wasting Swallow on the bench? If you have DPP links it does not really matter if all of your bench midfielders are playing every game or not.

 

[banana_bus]

Based on that theory then aren't you wasting Swallow on the bench? If you have DPP links it does not really matter if all of your bench midfielders are playing every game or not.

Really? I think youre being a bit naive if you think that 1 or 2 DPP links will be enough to save you from a donut if youre benched mids arent playing...

 

[Main Man]

Really? I think youre being a bit naive if you think that 1 or 2 DPP links will be enough to save you from a donut if youre benched mids arent playing...

So what you are saying is that if you have Swallow you a guaranteed to not get a donut all year?

I didn't say that if all bench mids are not playing, you should have your team set up so that you have a maximum of 2 premiums missing in any given week, meaning that if one or possibly 2 of your benched mids are not playing you should be able to cover them with the use of DPP if needed.

 

[mezaire]

My current planning is to keep one of Swallow or Harris as my 6th mid and trade the other sometime around rd.8-12 depending.

Swallow to Ablett before rd.10 would be perfect, means Swallow sitting on the pine for rd.9 but would be the best case scenario!!

 

[fondest tozzy]

Many going boak?

Great player, should average 100 and no byes till round 12.

 

[Roar Metre]

Having one of Harris or Swallow on the bench will let me breathe easier going into Thursday night.

 

[banana_bus]

So what you are saying is that if you have Swallow you a guaranteed to not get a donut all year?

I didn't say that if all bench mids are not playing, you should have your team set up so that you have a maximum of 2 premiums missing in any given week, meaning that if one or possibly 2 of your benched mids are not playing you should be able to cover them with the use of DPP if needed.

Well no one player is going to guarantee you not getting a donut all year, but surely youre better having Swallow there than having a Conca/Pittard/Polec who will be in and out?

Ive seen rounds where 3 or 4 premiums have been out injured/rested/suspended/sex scandalled.... add the bye to that this year and were all in trouble.

 

[samwise]

Has anyone factored in the probability of increased game time into choosing their premium midfielders?
I have heard a few coaches say that players will be required to play more game time which seems pretty obvious anyway with there being 1 less interchange.
Some midfielders already play most game time like Boyd & Cross (89%) so there isn't as much potential increase but players like Higgins (79%) or Boak (77%) would seem likely to increase there game time by a more significant amount and therefore increase their score.
It would also be important to look at midfielders who can rest up forward as this tactic will probably be used more this year by coaches.

Anyone give any merit to this logic?

 

[mezaire]

Many going boak?

Great player, should average 100 and no byes till round 12.

I thought long and hard about spending the extra coin to go Boak as my 4th mid but in the end a cheap midpricer got the gig.

He will probably get 100avg but with Harris/Swallow in the 6th mid spot, is 100 enough for your 5th mid???

 

[theone5]

Well no one player is going to guarantee you not getting a donut all year, but surely youre better having Swallow there than having a Conca/Pittard/Polec who will be in and out?

Ive seen rounds where 3 or 4 premiums have been out injured/rested/suspended/sex scandalled.... add the bye to that this year and were all in trouble.

Job security, yes...Swallow has them all covered.
But scoring potential, there will be a handful of rooks that average higher (and also play as many games, if not more). Just a matter of finding that diamond in the rough, so to speak.

I think I've found my "diamond".

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I can only trust 2 midfield rookies this year. The midfield rookies are greatly poor compared to the past few years. If your relyong on other rookies other than Swallow and Harris to play including the damage of byes than i think you could find yourself in a bit of trouble early.

Swallow and Harris will be my 5 and 6. I see no point playing them on the bench. Swallow or Harris will become that 7th mid as time progresses and as mentioned that will be determined later on. Swallow also give you that balance of a high end rookie/low end midprice pricing. EG: if someone gets injured early in a game and is subbed off maybe Ablett scores 20 points in one game than at least you have a midpricer to upgrade to him as he becomes dirt cheap. Just gives you that added flexability.

As for my other 3 rookies i really cant rely on them playing that much, i just dont rate any of them. Bewick i like, Hibberd and Heppell may either miss round 1 or be at of them quick smart with others returning. Whilst Jarry Irons will struggle to get consistant games.

I really see nothing else, Swallow picks himself. Every year for the past 2 year people have been turned away by such high priced rookies Scully ect and they have proven to be very good selections.

I can however understand that if people are picking 4 premiums and 1 midpricer or 3 premiums and 2 midpricers that Swallow may not be required in that strucutre with Harris being the 6th mid.

People must understand that they are starting more rookies this season than ever before due to some notation made up that you need to, to win this comp. This along with only 20 players now being able to play the full game and the added zero potential byes cause make it for a very dangerous substance. So when picking my rookies i want certain best 20 players that will be on my starting field not players that will play one week and never play again.

 

[BACCS]

I have to agree with you there DWD, the fowardline is also much slimmer pickings compared to others years too. I don't want to reveal which players I've gone with before round 1, but it has certainly made me think about my structure in other areas.

 

[DB10]

I really see nothing else, Swallow picks himself. Every year for the past 2 year people have been turned away by such high priced rookies Scully ect and they have proven to be very good selections.

You don't think Melbourne of 2010 being a much stronger side than Gold Coast of 2011 with a lot more experience around Scully is a factor?. Gold Coast are still probably going to get slapped most weeks against all the better sides, if I were asked to put money on it I would definitely bet on this impacting Swallow's scoring potential, particularly once all their senior players are back.

 

[dewey13]

What is the fuss about Irons from Port? Is it just to save cash? Some on the Port boards doubt he'll even play...

Something not adding up here folks or what?

 

[DB10]

What is the fuss about Irons from Port? Is it just to save cash? Some on the Port boards doubt he'll even play...

Something not adding up here folks or what?

A couple of really nice scores in NAB Challenge games and an article on the Port site naming him, Pittard and O'Shea as getting games this season. But he is also on their rookie list and they didn't elevate last week. I think he'll play at some stage this season but not straight up. Wait till Hamish Hartlett gets injured again.

 

[banana_bus]

People saying that Swallow has no scoring potential... anybody remember how Daniel Rich went in his first NAB Cup?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

You don't think Melbourne of 2010 being a much stronger side than Gold Coast of 2011 with a lot more experience around Scully is a factor?. Gold Coast are still probably going to get slapped most weeks against all the better sides, if I were asked to put money on it I would definitely bet on this impacting Swallow's scoring potential, particularly once all their senior players are back.

Is definitly a factore but Scully doubles his price value last year. If Swallow can 1.75 time his oprice value which means avg 70 or even just under than he is an extremly good pick.

FWIW i dont think Scully had that much more behind him last year that what Swallow will this year, in fact i wouldnt mind looking at the age difference in avg terms. People are forgetting that GC brought 8 ex AFL players in + very mature aged players like Coad, Hutchins, Stanley, Dixon, L.Patrick, Illes, K.Hunt, Ablett and others with VFL and WAFL experience behind them at such a young age. I dont think that Melbourne side wouldve been that much more experience especially if you look at them now (Bruce, Macdonald) gone.

Swallow is also thought to be the standout number 1 draft pick, although only an opinion so far, must be held pretty highly. Hes also had a year of WAFL and a year of VFL before entering the AFL so he has had plenty more experience than Scully did. The kid will know what to expect.

I expect Swallow to avg between 68-75 and id take that from a 40~ priced player every time.

 

[Hannabal]

People saying that Swallow has no scoring potential... anybody remember how Daniel Rich went in his first NAB Cup?

My team is well and truly settled and I just can't squeeze Swallow in. To do so would compromise other areas and players that I'm committed to. At the end of the day one has to back one's judgment and I doubt one rookie will derail my year - as much as I'd like to have him.

My compromise is to play Krakouer in the mids. Imo, he has good job security and has shown enough to suggest he can average 70. Swallow will probably average a tad more, but my structure works best with Krakouer.

 

[jimeh69]

I like the idea of playing Swallow & Harris as you're 5 & 6, although i think the first round bye could be deadly.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I like the idea of playing Swallow & Harris as you're 5 & 6, although i think the first round bye could be deadly.

First round bye is the least i will be worried about. Im going in with 9 GC rookies from memory now so ill only have 23 playing the first week which im more than happy with. The next week i should have close to 31 playing.

 

[BACCS]

My team is well and truly settled and I just can't squeeze Swallow in. To do so would compromise other areas and players that I'm committed to. At the end of the day one has to back one's judgment and I doubt one rookie will derail my year - as much as I'd like to have him.

My compromise is to play Krakouer in the mids. Imo, he has good job security and has shown enough to suggest he can average 70. Swallow will probably average a tad more, but my structure works best with Krakouer.

What rookie mids are you going in with then? I have both Swallow and Krakouer, among others. There really isn't many sub 97k rookies this year.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Krakouer will likely start in my midfield but than mainly play as a forward. It depends who i pick at of Darling and Tapscott and if think they will score more than Bewick and or Hbberd who are my midfield rookies.

What are peopls thoughts on Helbig?? or something like that from richmond. Scored 70+ last week, unsure if he is a rookie or not??

 

[dewey13]

Krakouer will likely start in my midfield but than mainly play as a forward. It depends who i pick at of Darling and Tapscott and if think they will score more than Bewick and or Hbberd who are my midfield rookies.

What are peopls thoughts on Helbig?? or something like that from richmond. Scored 70+ last week, unsure if he is a rookie or not??

Why tapscott? hasn't been sighted this pre-season....