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Yeah but that doesn't matter mate, they don't count in this argument
Du Plessis charged with ball tampering.
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Who kept. You are hilariously dumb.
Steve Waugh was one of the great all rounders in ODI history. He revolutionized death bowling with his change of pace. A second tier all rounder at test level but could definitely be called an all rounder.
Yep. Second tier all rounder in tests.
But he was mediocre as a test allrounder while Sangakkara was still a good keeper and a batsman.
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Now confirmed that Faf is going against CSA and appealing the decision.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2016-17/content/story/1068231.html
So the argument isn't that everyone else does it, which would be easy enough to prove by hunting down vision of other (less blatantly obvious) instances, it's that he did not alter the condition of the ball. Well what was the point of finger banging his mouth to get as much of the mint as possible if not to give the ball more of a shine? As for artificial substance, well unless your mouth magically produces lollies to chomp on then it seems pretty clear.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2016-17/content/story/1068231.html
So the argument isn't that everyone else does it, which would be easy enough to prove by hunting down vision of other (less blatantly obvious) instances, it's that he did not alter the condition of the ball. Well what was the point of finger banging his mouth to get as much of the mint as possible if not to give the ball more of a shine? As for artificial substance, well unless your mouth magically produces lollies to chomp on then it seems pretty clear.
It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Whether you agree with it or not, that's up to the individual, but the argument he is making is that the rules allow you to maintain the ball, and that, as far as I know - happy to be corrected - you can maintain it using things like saliva and sweat.
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But not mints.
Technically he didn't put a mint on the ball. he put saliva on it. Yes it is more or less the same thing but in legal terms there is a difference.
If someone's mouth is still wet from water they're not going to say he applied water to the ball, they'll say he added saliva to the ball.
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The thing is he was charged with 'changing the condition of the ball' which they have no way of proving that adding minty saliva does.
Had he been charged with 'attempting to change the condition of the ball ' it would be a different story
Had he been charged with 'attempting to change the condition of the ball ' it would be a different story
Technically he put mint on the ball. They aren't - even in legal terms - able to be split. Perhaps if he hadn't been so blatant at trying to get so much mint on his finger he'd have a point.
I'm with Faf here in that every country seems to do it so either nab everyone or let everyone go. Faf was also unlucky that Kohli did it at the same time but had no case to answer (although he is Indian, so gets that natural Get Out of Jail Free card from the ICC).
But as for now arguing he wasn't trying to alter the condition of the ball, that's just taking the piss. He should have stuck with the "everyone else does it" line.
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I very much doubt salvia even minty flavoured at that would make any difference to a cricket ball's action through the air and besides, if the ICC disciplinary body continue along this route then the next thing is they'll be forbidding bowlers and fielders to shine the ball as it may have been in contact with sweaty palms ?
Folly indeed !
Folly indeed !
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Whether using the mints should be banned or not is a different argument but i said it before and will again now...if rubbing the mint and then putting it on the ball is just the same as using saliva then why on earth would you do it and risk getting suspended?
The players clearly think using the mints has an impact on the ball that they can't get from other means or they simply wouldn't do it.
The players clearly think using the mints has an impact on the ball that they can't get from other means or they simply wouldn't do it.
Well no one has proven that it worked. what's to say they wouldn't have had the same outcome through using chewing gum saliva and sweat?
Flintoff and Jones both had bowling styles that leant themselves to reverse swing anyway, and Hoggard and harmison were out swing and bounce bowlers respectively who didn't get or need reverse swing.
Was vain Shane using hair products like gel when he used to run his fingers through his hair then polishing the ball. That would have a far greater affect on a ball than a lolly.
Months later and still not over it.
Faf's an awesome leader IMO.
Has that prickly sort of attitude, but he's got that sense of selflessness about him where he'll do anything for the team. Perhaps it may be just that Williamson, Kohli, Root and Smith are obviously the more talented batsmen thus affecting my perception, but he just seems the most authentic leader in cricket today. Comes from that same sort of school as Border, Fleming or Smith.
Has that prickly sort of attitude, but he's got that sense of selflessness about him where he'll do anything for the team. Perhaps it may be just that Williamson, Kohli, Root and Smith are obviously the more talented batsmen thus affecting my perception, but he just seems the most authentic leader in cricket today. Comes from that same sort of school as Border, Fleming or Smith.
He's definitely got that bloody mindedness that Smith had, even in his last innings it was very much on show.
With the quartet you mentioned, while obviously they are a level above faf in terms of batsmanship, they also give the impression that with their team under the pump, they might give you a chance in an attempt to shift the momentum of the contest and dictate terms. Du plessis probably isn't going to do that. Like a Dravid, or a Kallis in days gone by, he understands that with the guys around him - de kock, de Villiers when fit, and amla, they are the guys who can turn it on and quickly put their team on top. For him it is only a last resort.
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I disagree.
He obviously got caught ball tampering. It was blatant. It is irrelevant if mints or sugar change the condition of the ball.
The Faf had a big, chunky mint on his tongue and he basically fingered the mint and put it on the ball.
Disgrace.
On the other hand after playing with his zipper too much, Faf has no right to complain.
Considering his previous record for ball tampering he was dealt with incredibly leniently.
This. Also shouldn't forget that Philander got caught for using his fingers to lift the seam of a ball a few years back. Certainly not an isolated incident from the Saffers.
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