Duke Balls to be used in Australia in 2017

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How many away Ashes series do we need to lose in a row before we try something different?

Don't think this is the panacea by itself however if combined with some grassier wickets could be a good thing.

Half a season of grassless, crumbling, bunsens leading into our next series in India would also be interesting to see.

 

[western royboy]

I agree with your sentiment . But in 15 years I think my kids will have a better chance of making a living from the game swinging it like a baseball bat than pointing the bat at 1st slip.

Nah I think it will actually go back to the technique way - Kohli, Root & Williamson will see to that

 

[Chuckie357]

Ding! Hit the nail on the head.

As well as people's egos, you know not to look at the pitch when you have hit the ball straight to a fielder

 

[ROOTA#6]

We didn't seem to worry about the ball when we dominated for 20odd years

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Nothing wrong with the kookaburra ball it's the pitches they are bowled on that is the problem.
If you have no live grass on the pitch the ball will struggle to swing as humidity from the live grass is a factor in swinging the ball.
Without grass the ball gets roughed up quickly.
How come the kookaburra was swinging 20 years ago? All of a sudden since we prepare roads the ball is the problem?
You could use a two piece ball on our pitches and it would barely move.
It's amazing how no one has thought of trying to teach batsman how to bat instead of trying to change balls and prepare roads for them.

 

[Wallaby]

Nothing wrong with the kookaburra ball it's the pitches they are bowled on that is the problem.
If you have no live grass on the pitch the ball will struggle to swing as humidity from the live grass is a factor in swinging the ball.
Without grass the ball gets roughed up quickly.
How come the kookaburra was swinging 20 years ago? All of a sudden since we prepare roads the ball is the problem?
You could use a two piece ball on our pitches and it would barely move.
It's amazing how no one has thought of trying to teach batsman how to bat instead of trying to change balls and prepare roads for them.

Humidity, if anything, will reduce the effect of a swinging ball. In some cases, so will a green pitch (by preventing wear).

A cricket ball swings when it is bowled in such a way that it has uneven forces acting along the planes of motion (ie the sides of the ball). If a cricket ball was perfectly smooth like a billiard ball, the only way the bowler could impart swing would be via sidespin. These forces act on the ball via air pressure - when there is humidity, overall air pressure is less (slightly), and so the ball will swing less (slightly).

However, a cricket ball is not smooth. It has a bloody great seam running down the middle, and the ball does get roughed up. By managing the wear and tear on the seam and the surface of the ball (eg polishing only one side), it is possible to keep the ball swinging for a long time. Have a google at how normal, contrast and reverse swing all happen. A green pitch will slow down wear and tear on the ball - good if you are swinging it using the seam and shine, bad if you are swinging it via 'rough side vs smooth side'.

There are other factors - breezes can be flukey (particularly in enclosed stadiums), small air currents (mini thermals) can rise from different spots on a pitch - these can all have (minor) effects.

Remember the last Ashes Test in 2015? England won the toss and put Australia in. 'Good toss to win, cloudy, overcast etc. Clarke would have bowled, too'. Result at Lunch, Australia 0/90 - all out for 480.

I agree with what you say though - the ball is not going to make a lot of difference in technique. The major technique difference in playing swing bowling vs non-swing bowling are:
1. Watch the ball more closely - well, probably should be doing that anyway.
2. Soft hands. Yep - good for all conditions.
3. Play late - however that is supposed to work.

It all basically means - 'Take fewer risks - ie play fewer attacking shots'. Fine. There is always a balance between risk and reward in cricket shots.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Humidity, if anything, will reduce the effect of a swinging ball. In some cases, so will a green pitch (by preventing wear).

A cricket ball swings when it is bowled in such a way that it has uneven forces acting along the planes of motion (ie the sides of the ball). If a cricket ball was perfectly smooth like a billiard ball, the only way the bowler could impart swing would be via sidespin. These forces act on the ball via air pressure - when there is humidity, overall air pressure is less (slightly), and so the ball will swing less (slightly).

However, a cricket ball is not smooth. It has a bloody great seam running down the middle, and the ball does get roughed up. By managing the wear and tear on the seam and the surface of the ball (eg polishing only one side), it is possible to keep the ball swinging for a long time. Have a google at how normal, contrast and reverse swing all happen. A green pitch will slow down wear and tear on the ball - good if you are swinging it using the seam and shine, bad if you are swinging it via 'rough side vs smooth side'.

There are other factors - breezes can be flukey (particularly in enclosed stadiums), small air currents (mini thermals) can rise from different spots on a pitch - these can all have (minor) effects.

Remember the last Ashes Test in 2015? England won the toss and put Australia in. 'Good toss to win, cloudy, overcast etc. Clarke would have bowled, too'. Result at Lunch, Australia 0/90 - all out for 480.

I agree with what you say though - the ball is not going to make a lot of difference in technique. The major technique difference in playing swing bowling vs non-swing bowling are:
1. Watch the ball more closely - well, probably should be doing that anyway.
2. Soft hands. Yep - good for all conditions.
3. Play late - however that is supposed to work.

It all basically means - 'Take fewer risks - ie play fewer attacking shots'. Fine. There is always a balance between risk and reward in cricket shots.

Not going to argue with you the mechanics and science of swinging the ball but I will say I played at a high level for many years as a fast bowler and grass on the pitch helps considerably.
When we played on Barron pitches you relied heavily on wind conditions to move the ball and on grassy pitches the ball would swing for far longer periods.
I noticed in my last 5 years the seam on the balls was much lower than previous and it may of been reduced further in the years since.
Any bowler with a reasonable action and hand position could swing the ball yet all of a sudden the last 15 odd years no one can swing it. That cannot be just a coincidence that the pitches are void of grass.
The major stadiums are of course different as the wind does swirl, even the WACA lost a bit of the Freo Doctor when the Lillee Marsh stand was built.
I am sure this more to all of it but these are my thoughts as a former player.

 

[GreyCrow]

I agree with what you say though - the ball is not going to make a lot of difference in technique. The major technique difference in playing swing bowling vs non-swing bowling are:
1. Watch the ball more closely - well, probably should be doing that anyway.
2. Soft hands. Yep - good for all conditions.
3. Play late - however that is supposed to work.

It all basically means - 'Take fewer risks - ie play fewer attacking shots'. Fine. There is always a balance between risk and reward in cricket shots.

I saw a stat in that horror all out 60 test that said something like 4-5 balls would have actually hit the stumps.

Play late means don't move to your first impression but take that micro-step back and be sure the ball is in the position you wanted to hit it from

 

[ROOTA#6]

Humidity, if anything, will reduce the effect of a swinging ball. In some cases, so will a green pitch (by preventing wear).

A cricket ball swings when it is bowled in such a way that it has uneven forces acting along the planes of motion (ie the sides of the ball). If a cricket ball was perfectly smooth like a billiard ball, the only way the bowler could impart swing would be via sidespin. These forces act on the ball via air pressure - when there is humidity, overall air pressure is less (slightly), and so the ball will swing less (slightly).

However, a cricket ball is not smooth. It has a bloody great seam running down the middle, and the ball does get roughed up. By managing the wear and tear on the seam and the surface of the ball (eg polishing only one side), it is possible to keep the ball swinging for a long time. Have a google at how normal, contrast and reverse swing all happen. A green pitch will slow down wear and tear on the ball - good if you are swinging it using the seam and shine, bad if you are swinging it via 'rough side vs smooth side'.

There are other factors - breezes can be flukey (particularly in enclosed stadiums), small air currents (mini thermals) can rise from different spots on a pitch - these can all have (minor) effects.

Remember the last Ashes Test in 2015? England won the toss and put Australia in. 'Good toss to win, cloudy, overcast etc. Clarke would have bowled, too'. Result at Lunch, Australia 0/90 - all out for 480.

I agree with what you say though - the ball is not going to make a lot of difference in technique. The major technique difference in playing swing bowling vs non-swing bowling are:
1. Watch the ball more closely - well, probably should be doing that anyway.
2. Soft hands. Yep - good for all conditions.
3. Play late - however that is supposed to work.

It all basically means - 'Take fewer risks - ie play fewer attacking shots'. Fine. There is always a balance between risk and reward in cricket shots.

Swing depends more on bowling action and how the ball releases from the hand. If u hand a ball that has one side taken to it with a sander and the other a buffer it does not mean any bloke will swing it. Not trying to be a smart arse but I can swing a tennis ball (no taping) purely because of my bowling action. Atmospheric and pitch conditions do exentuate that movement

 

[GWBogan]

I will burn an effigy of the Dukes logo in protest of this decision.

 

[The_Reaper]

Any chance of a pink duke ball?

 

[Wolfs]

Nah I think it will actually go back to the technique way - Kohli, Root & Williamson will see to that

It does seem like T20 is going that way. Just being able to play shots around the ground rather than slogging away. That's great to see.

 

[The_Reaper]

It does seem like T20 is going that way. Just being able to play shots around the ground rather than slogging away. That's great to see.

Notice the difference in averagea between Kohli and Maxwell?

 

[SwampCreature]

What a surprise, this s**t idea that was never going to work is s**t, and doesn't work

http://m.theage.com.au/sport/cricke...differently-in-australia-20160602-gp9rw5.html

 

[Art Vandelay_]

What a surprise, this s**t idea that was never going to work is s**t, and doesn't work

http://m.theage.com.au/sport/cricke...differently-in-australia-20160602-gp9rw5.html

Thoughts LP?

Did love this drive-by though

"Effectively, Kookaburras were replaced by Dukes, which turned out to act much like Kookaburras. At least Pauline Hanson would approve."

About time!

http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/cric...29-gnt92w.html

"English-made Dukes cricket balls will be used in the second half of Sheffield Shield seasons from next year, Cricket Australia will announce on Wednesday.


The initiative is meant to help Australian players prepare more thoroughly for future overseas tours, especially Ashes tours. Kookaburra balls still will be used in the first half of each season, in the lead-in to home Test series. But Kookaburra will lose its long-standing monopoly in Australia."

Read more at the article.

 

[The_Reaper]

What a surprise, this s**t idea that was never going to work is s**t, and doesn't work

http://m.theage.com.au/sport/cricke...differently-in-australia-20160602-gp9rw5.html

And here I thought that the duke ball would magically make the WACA a green, overcast English wicket

 

[Cleavy]

This is how Sutherland earns those big bucks.

 

[JackOutback]

And here I thought that the duke ball would magically make the WACA a green, overcast English wicket

Watch CA invest in a weather changing super weapon next. Or the Test team could just spend a few extra weeks in the UK acclimatising. Whatever.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Watch CA invest in a weather changing super weapon next. Or the Test team could just spend a few extra weeks in the UK acclimatising. Whatever.

Do a tour of Oklahoma during hurricane season for the extra movement. Or yeah ,spend another month in England..

 

[ROOTA#6]

The sooner these idiots realize the type of ball is not the issue the better. The issue is the quality of players that we have currently. We had no trouble handling the Dukes ball years ago when we dominated them consistently in their home conditions

 

[Cleavy]

Dukes proves spin hazard as CA ends experiment | cricket.com.au

Sheffield Shield will no longer include use of English ball after tweakers' opportunities became…

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experiment over

 

[iBeng]

Are the Dukes more expensive?

 

[ROOTA#6]

Are the Dukes more expensive?

First thought I had also

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Dukes are cheaper

 

[iBeng]

Dukes are cheaper

I've had a hunt for the figures but havnt found any conformation on which is cheaper yet.