Scandal Dustin Martin in drunken scuffle

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I can only speak for myself, but it's not that I WANT Martin banned, it's that I know exactly how the AFL responds to even the inference of poor behaviour. Proof is not required in the world of the AFL.

Having said that, there is little doubt that Martin is a complete flog, and also little doubt that he was acting like a dick on the night in question - even if it is not known exactly what that entails.

Previous form would suggest that, yes, he will be penalised (to what extent I don't know).
i agree, we all know the AFL hands out bans based on feeling rather than evidence or process... which is why there shouldnt be more jumping up and down about a lengthy ban based on feeling without solid evidence of anything serious occurring

he should get a week for being a drunken lout and damaging his and the AFLs brand, having said that hodge was charged with drink driving and escaped all criticism and a decent sanction because they were playing finals... fremantle had two players who plead guilty to seriously assaulting females and received no sanctions either...so it doesn't exactly fill you with confidence does it

if more evidence is presented that shows he did make serious threats then the ban should be increased, but right now on a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is a jeff farmer and heath black at fremantle... its probably a 2
 

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What the **** is wrong with people!?! If martin did what she said he did he would've been charged. Police investigated and said from CCTV footage and witnesses no criminal offence occurred. What's hard to understand ffs
They are just spewing that there will be no joy for themselves.
 

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The police stated that no crime occurred. Why do you find it so hard to understand such an unequivocal statement ?
What do you find so hard to understand about the fact that police cannot lawfully determine as an absolute fact whether a crime did or didn't occur? The best the police can categorically say is that based on our investigations it is our belief that no crime occurred.

Do you understand the difference?
 

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If Hodge was lucid & could recall the incident then he should have known not to drive but he intentionally gambled on not being caught. No investigation as it was open & shut. My point is why should Dustin Martin serve a greater sentence than a convicted drink driver when no crime has been committed.
My point is why did he apologize? Does every bloke who wakes up not recalling the night before suddenly start issuing general apologies?
 

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What do you find so hard to understand about the fact that police cannot lawfully determine as an absolute fact whether a crime did or didn't occur? The best the police can categorically say is that based on our investigations it is our belief that no crime occurred.

Do you understand the difference?
right back at you though...

why do you find it so hard to understand that people do not want a player hit with a significant ban without solid evidence?
 

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What do you find so hard to understand about the fact that police cannot lawfully determine as an absolute fact whether a crime did or didn't occur? The best the police can categorically say is that based on our investigations it is our belief that no crime occurred.

Do you understand the difference?
God exists because you can't prove he doesn't.

Is this what it's come to?
 

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right back at you though...

why do you find it so hard to understand that people do not want a player hit with a significant ban without solid evidence?
I don't mind at all if people don't want him suspended.

But stating that nothing happened, or worse, implying that the victim has LIED because no criminal charges were laid is central to the problem of violence against women.
 

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The police called her a liar did they?

My god the tangents.......

And the 'inferred' victim blaming in this thread is disgusting - and the reason this SHOULD be such a hot topic.
We'll i was just saying what the police said and I got accused of calling her a liar so I'm just saying that's what the police said. The police did the investigation and denied what she said. And sorry that some people are smart enough to see straight through media bullshit, you obviously have not reached that level yet.
 

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We'll i was just saying what the police said and I got accused of calling her a liar so I'm just saying that's what the police said. The police did the investigation and denied what she said. And sorry that some people are smart enough to see straight through media bullshit, you obviously have not reached that level yet.
No, they did not say that.
 

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You didn't answer my question.

I'm happy to answer yours though once you show enough courtesy to answer mine.
you didnt direct the question at me and for what its worth i agree with that statement, its the next part of argument that i disagree with. that dustin martin should be banned with evidence to support the alleged seriousness of the incident
 

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Wow. That's a lot of errors in one post.

A video of his antics is evidence.

Getting kicked out of the establishment is evidence.

His apology for his actions is evidence.

Is that alone enough to charge him? Police don't think so.

And that's also not what the police said.

Man you Tigers fans REALLY only see what you want to see hey?
If there were so many errors in that post why you didn't point one out?

You are correct in that the CCTV is evidence, yet that evidence may well have indicated that Martin did not commit an offence. THe police certainly think so.

His apology is not evidence of anything other than being intoxicated, yes that is an offence but it isn't in proportion to what he has been accused of.

Again, getting kicked out of the premises is indicative that he was intoxicated, but doesn't indicate one way or another if he committed assault.

Just to remind you of what the Police did say Jade ""After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place."

I have no dog in this fight, I love watching the tigers implode, but too much credit is given to a woman's statement that she wasn't prepared to make officially and not enough to Police who actually investigated the incident.
 

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you didnt direct the question at me and for what its worth i agree with that statement, its the next part of argument that i disagree with. that dustin martin should be banned with evidence to support the alleged seriousness of the incident
I don't think he should be facing any criminal sanction without evidence to support a criminal conviction.

BUT

Given that a serious incident did occur and nobody has come out and refuted the victim's claims I believe there is enough there for the AFL and Richmond to sanction Martin for behaviour that is of an unacceptable standard as an AFL player.
 

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Velvet Sledgehammer is all over it, this ain't going away Tiger fans!

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/spor...till-punish-star/story-fnp04d6y-1227686775872

It's for his own good.
:rolleyes:
Again... you wont find many tigers fans arguing against some form of punishment For being drunk in a public place and causing a scene, adding to the fact that its pre-season.
What we wont cop, is a longer sentence or harsher penalty than that of a Bock/Farmer/Franklin/Hodge especially considering he has now done nothing criminally wrong.
 

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this is where I am struggling to understand where he is coming from...

on one hand he had acknowledged that the police could not charge him due to lack of evidence to build a successful prosecution, but then is pushing for a ban from the AFL when they are in the same boat and would need evidence to support their ban.

so the police have not charged him due to lack of evidence, but people want the AFL to go ahead and ban him based on what exactly? is there more evidence the AFL has that the police do not?

the only way I could see a ban coming, would be from richmond due to him being a drunken idiot, rather than due to the abuse or threats which there seems to be a lack of evidence on...

The AFL has evidence under their carpet , it's there with the used syringes from windy hill
 
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