Scandal Dustin Martin in drunken scuffle

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He apologised, at the instruction of Richmond for being a drunken boofhead. No crime there.



Cousins was sacked because he was as high as a kite on illegal substances. Where is this boorish behaviour against women? Dustin Martin should be investigated by the police. Oh, he was investigated & it was found no crime had occurred.

Dustin Martin was threatening towards women. Report him to the police!!! Oh, that's right he was investigated & there was no victim.

Sure, Dustin will be punished for being a drunken boofhead in public. So where is this evidence of threatening behaviour towards women? When you find this evidence, get off your high horse forward it to the Victorian Police!!!
Err... How about his apology?

"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate."

How about the footage of him being dragged away by his mate?

Get your head out of the sand and admit nothing didn't happen here.
 

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The woman didn't want to put a statement to police. People can speculate to the reasons why, but the simple fact is that they are simply guessing the reason unless if she's willing to put out a reason why she's not. The simple facts are that she's happy to complain to the media and the AFL, but for whatever reason she doesn't want to talk to police about it.

I'm happy for people to make of it of what they will. I'm just find it odd that she's willing to complain to the employer and the media about what had happened, where there's effectively little accountability to what she claims. But as soon when the police are involved (where there is accountablility) she doesn't want to make a statement. There is no reason for her not not make a statement despite living interstate. She can still make the statement, but refuse to travel for the court proceedings. It will just mean that the case could fall over in court if she's required to travel. At worst it may not get a conviction, but at least she would have made her point. On top of that, the police investigation has determined that from the witness statements and the CCTV footage indicate no criminal offence has occurred.

Come to think of it, can people determine how flexible the court system is? I often hear or read in the media about people giving witness testimonies in court remotely.
 

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Is this the clip everyone is talking about?? That shows clear evidence that a heated and violent exchange took place???


Well now I see what all the fuss is about takes his mate four attempts before he finally submits and leaves kicking and screaming...oh wait its on a loop:rolleyes::drunk:
 

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Smart move by the woman involved. Not sure who would want those charming chivalrous Richmond masses thanking them with their kind words and good intentions.

Well done, Richmond fans. The majority of you are a credit to society and make the world a finer place to be in.
When the news broke the majority of people were backing her and saying Martin should face punishment for his crimes (myself included). But it now appears that there are serious questions about her version of what went on.
 

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But like seriously why are opposition supporters still trying to argue that he did it and stuff. Like I get he's a good player but guess what the police said no criminal offence occurred so stop crying
 

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Evidence of what? haha...seriously wtf?

I've been kicked out of venues for being drunk and apologized to people the next day if I thought I might have been a dickhead. How is that evidence of a death threat? Evidence of a death threat would be one other person backing up the woman's claim, but somehow a high profile person threatened to stab someone with chopsticks in a crowded restaurant and no-one else noticed.
Who said it was evidence of a death threat?
 

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Read the rest of the article
HS need to decide which version of events is the truth you can't publish one in the first paragraph then try and bury the rest at the bottom
Sounds like the Hun is still trying to get some value from the story, the Police on the other hand made it clear that "After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
I've been one of those advocating no rush to judgement. That said, unless the key witness is prepared to give evidence and be cross examined the case was never going to reach the courts.
 

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But like seriously why are opposition supporters still trying to argue that he did it and stuff. Like I get he's a good player but guess what the police said no criminal offence occurred so stop crying
You, me and every other reasonable person know where the facts stand on this. Everyone else is just wants to argue and whinge "cos nek tatts...:mad::mad::drunk::cry:".
 

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The lady said a death threat was made.

That is a criminal offence.

The police, after a thorough investigation, have determined that a criminal offence was not committed.

Ipso facto...

The police investigation and conclusion doesn't necessarily mean she lied. But it does indicate she was at least mistaken.

As has been said, I hope this doesn't discourage women who actually are the subject of a death threat in the future from reporting it.
 

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I certainly don't mean to be condescending, but some of the naive stuff on here from Tiger fans is astounding. Cannot sustain the argument? are you kidding me? Without her statement there is no case, evidence can only be gathered if she provided the police with a statement, without that statement the police have little to go on, what were they going to do? Act on the testimony, hearsay and blurred account of several tanked up patrons? This is exactly what Richmond wanted and that is what i stated would happen back on December 11th. This was an easy fix once the police were involved. A statement is a written document that records what you can recall about the incident in detail and in chronological order. This does not mean that the police do not believe her story, or that she was not not a victim of crime. Martin himself has admitted his inappropriate behaviour. This was always going to be the result (no criminal activity) because they simply would not have enough evidence to stand up in court. There is also no evidence of physical contact, it's very easy to defend verbal threats. Objection over ruled. Cheer up, Martin will play Round 1, the Tigers are off the hook, there are different rules for star players, but i doubt we will see the Tigers playing in a "white ribbon" game anytime soon.
So your idea is she didn't make a statement, therefore Martin must be guilty :drunk:

Not to mention you appear to be making assumptions that the other witnesses were tanked up or their views are invalid. Were the manager and the staff drinking on the job too? I assume you mast know seeing that you must have been there when making these assumptions.
 

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considering it was reported that he punched a wall next to her head and held a chopstick to her eye (and reported as her side of events) then CCTV footage would clearly demonstrate that. As would one of the many witnesses in the restaurant be able to say this happened

You do realise a hell of a lot of crimes are prosecuted without testimony from the victim
Like murder.
 

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If you want to know why, go back and re-read the previous five pages.
They go something like this:

"After reviewing CCTV footage"....

yeah but :drunk:...

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and speaking to all parties involved"

so what
:cool:...

"including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night"...well yeah but :mad::confused:


"investigators determined that no criminal offence took place" :mad::mad::cry:

 

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Err... How about his apology?

"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate."

How about the footage of him being dragged away by his mate?

Get your head out of the sand and admit nothing didn't happen here.
And the magic word is "if". It's not an admission of guilt. For all I know 'Tracey' may have pounced on it to create her 'half truths'.

What about the footage? It's not proves nothing here or there. Is that all you have??

I'm all for punishing Dustin if it can proved he has done something wrong apart from getting drunk in public. So far, nobody has produced any evidence that something has occurred which he can be charged and the 'victim' has gone to the media & not the proper authorities.
 

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And the magic word is "if". It's not an admission of guilt. For all I know 'Tracey' may have pounced on it to create her 'half truths'.

What about the footage? It's not proves nothing here or there. Is that all you have??

I'm all for punishing Dustin if it can proved he has done something wrong apart from getting drunk in public. So far, nobody has produced any evidence that something has occurred which he can be charged and the 'victim' has gone to the media & not the proper authorities.
Yeah you're right, people apologize all the time when they know they've done nothing wrong.

" Good morning everyone. I'd just like to apologize. To everyone and anyone. No reason. "
 

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You, me and every other reasonable person know where the facts stand on this. Everyone else is just wants to argue and whinge "cos nek tatts...:mad::mad::drunk::cry:".
It's odd how Ben Cousins was an antihero to many, and remains so to some. Yet Martin seems to be this demonic figure.

The club should help Dusty to do more media.
 

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It's odd how Ben Cousins was an antihero to many, and remains so to some. Yet Martin seems to be this demonic figure.

The club should help Dusty to do more media.
Peggy's expression of concern for Dusty copped some flak, but well-founded.

Would be distressing to be accused of something so heinous.

Well done, to date, Richmond.
 

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It's odd how Ben Cousins was an antihero to many, and remains so to some. Yet Martin seems to be this demonic figure.

The club should help Dusty to do more media.
I know what you're saying and its a question I've been meaning to ask, but are AFL players obliged to do media? Is it in their contracts? I reckon Dusty is an introvert and may just want to play footy without all the attachments of media and the like.

There are hundreds of AFL players running around that we hear next to nothing from. Dusty just happens to be in that top echelon of players so for some reason people automatically think its their right to demand he speak to the media and be a perfect role model.
 

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Peggy's expression of concern for Dusty copped some flak, but well-founded.

Would be distressing to be accused of something so heinous.

Well done, to date, Richmond.
For whatever reason, there are people out to stitch him up. Robbo reported on radio that the unfounded drug rumours of a few years ago had Martin in a distressed state, and the club was so concerned they contacted senior police to find out what was going on.
 

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Yeah you're right, people apologize all the time when they know they've done nothing wrong.

" Good morning everyone. I'd just like to apologize. To everyone and anyone. No reason. "
"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate".
Key word is 'if'. Learn to read
 
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