Scandal Dustin Martin in drunken scuffle

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Its not a matter of it being newsworthy. It is an offence under the criminal code and needs to be dealt with accordingly. His employer, like many other employers can make a judgement call according to their employment contracts about matters concerning social responsibility.

The average Joe runs the same risks according to the law and also his employment if they similarly transgress.

Just because he is a moron for not realising his actions are under media scrutiny, that's his problem. But the offence he has admitted to, will be dealt with no differently legally and if his contract has a provision it, then contractually.
As I understand it he hasn't admitted to committing any offence. I'll say again...

Let the facts come out. I'm happy for Dusty to wear whatever repercussions come his way. I don’t need to apologize for his actions.
 
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As I understand it he hasn't admitted to committing any offence. I'll say again...

Let the facts come out. I'm happy for Dusty to wear whatever repercussions come his way. I don’t need to apologize for his actions.
But you were complaining he has been unfairly thrust into the public limelight. Well, tough titties. As I understand it, he hasn't denied any of the stories being mentioned and therefore the public limelight is currently justified
 

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But you were complaining he has been unfairly thrust into the public limelight. Well, tough titties. As I understand it, he hasn't denied any of the stories being mentioned and therefore the public limelight is currently justified
It's a bit unfair that a matter which is the subject of an investigation has been tried in the media. Collingwood managed to keep a far, far more serious investigation involving Travis Cloke out of the papers. (Edit: May have been Jason. While ago now...)
 
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You say you don't need to apologise for his actions, but that doesn't stop you from playing the violin on his behalf.

To suggest that Martin is bring targeted because he's an AFL footballer is pathetic. True enough, the media don't much care for every threat of violence which takes place in society, but the law does. That's why the law is there in the first place, to punish people who make other people afraid for their own safety. That law has been used to prosecute people long before Martin picked up a chopstick, and it will be there long after he retires from the game and gets a decent haircut.
That's right. I don't need to apologise for his actions. As with EVERY footballer who commits an offense of some sort and ends up with a 100+ page thread rife with hysterical comment I'll refrain from passing judgement until there are actually some facts in the public domain to be considered. I don't do the whole lynch mob thing. It's not my style.
 

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You fool. Swan bashed a cleaner at work - cleaning - not some drunk who attacked him first. The man is now borderline intellectually disabled.
Fair go

Swan's no Rhodes Scholar but it's a bit harsh to call him borderline intellectually disabled
 

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But you were complaining he has been unfairly thrust into the public limelight. Well, tough titties. As I understand it, he hasn't denied any of the stories being mentioned and therefore the public limelight is currently justified
Would this be newsworthy if you or I did it? Simple question.

I mean we don't even know what actually happened, whether there were raised voices, aggravation, whatever... unless you were there? Were you there?

But let's hypothesise based upon what you "know".
 
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Just read this page...bloody hell.

Some of these posts have gone so far off the discussion at hand. The facts are what...he threatened a person (male or female) to stab her in the face with a chopstick...all because she asked him to keep it down.

If the above is true...A year out the game sits ok with me.

Lets put it this way...If I threatened a women with violence and it played out in the media...I would probably lose my job. Dont see how he is any different. As posted above though...he will probably get a slap on the wrist and in 2 weeks another footballer will do something stupid and this will be old news
I can't see how a year ban helps anyone, call me biased but I think there are many other ways to help the victim to deal with the trauma and to punish Dustin Martin while educating him at the same time.

I'll bet if you threatened a woman with violence it wouldn't be played out in the media. I'd also bet that if it wasn't Dustin Martin, the woman would have complained to the staff rather than confronting him herself.

Still I respect your opinion because it was unacceptable behaviour, I just feel a year match ban is a lose/lose/lose result.
 

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That's right. I don't need to apologise for his actions. As with EVERY footballer who commits an offense of some sort and ends up with a 100+ page thread rife with hysterical comment I'll refrain from passing judgement until there are actually some facts in the public domain to be considered. I don't do the whole lynch mob thing. It's not my style.
I think that this is what offended me most, the chorus of people who suddenly declared that the woman was simply after 15 minutes of fame, or that it was her fault because she baited him, or that it's just a media beat up. Me, I felt like there was a lynch mob against the woman which prevented her from getting a fair hearing. Others feel that the lynch mob is lining up to neck Dusty.

I'm not sure that there is ever a single 'truth' in these sorts of incidents, but eventually some version of it will be accepted. Just for the record, I hope that Martin is innocent, because I think that it would be truly terrifying for a woman (or any light-framed man such as myself) to be confronted in such a way.
 

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1) Someone who knew him invites him over to her table to offer him some very good advice.
2) Her authenticity is supported by not wanting him suspended
3) He threatens to kill her by stabbing her in the head with his chopsticks
4) He has no memory of it
Are you taking liberties with the story mate? Or can you point me to the version you've been reading that details all of this per your version of events?
 
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It's a bit unfair that a matter which is the subject of an investigation has been tried in the media. Collingwood managed to keep a far, far more serious investigation involving Travis Cloke out of the papers. (Edit: May have been Jason. While ago now...)
Clubs will do that. But the media will do their thing too. If one can get away with it, good on them. But if the media get hold of it, then it's fair game. And I don't have a problem with that. And once again, I haven't heard Martin say it didn't happen. I have heard he apologised. Apologies tend to suggest a transgression. To what degree, I can't say. But until he denies any of it, then the media are well within their rights to run with it and social media will do what social media does.

If Martin doesn't like the scrutiny, then maybe he should just keep his drinking down to a drunken stupor next time.
 

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I think that this is what offended me most, the chorus of people who suddenly declared that the woman was simply after 15 minutes of fame, or that it was her fault because she baited him, or that it's just a media beat up. Me, I felt like there was a lynch mob against the woman which prevented her from getting a fair hearing. Others feel that the lynch mob is lining up to neck Dusty.

I'm not sure that there is ever a single 'truth' in these sorts of incidents, but eventually some version of it will be accepted. Just for the record, I hope that Martin is innocent, because I think that it would be truly terrifying for a woman (or any light-framed man such as myself) to be confronted in such a way.
I don't think I've mentioned the woman once.
 

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Ease up!

Tones is teaming up with Trump to take on ISIS!!
I would develop a newly-minted and profound sense of respect for both of them if they picked up a gun and took on the death cult themselves. It would suit their 'straight shooting' style, but alas, we'll have to keep watching the shit dribble from their mouths.
 
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Would this be newsworthy if you or I did it? Simple question.

I mean we don't even know what actually happened, whether there were raised voices, aggravation, whatever... unless you were there? Were you there?

But let's hypothesise based upon what you "know".
Martin shouldn't play the game and take the money if he doesn't want his behaviour open to such scrutiny.
 

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I would develop a newly-minted and profound sense of respect for both of them if they picked up a gun and took on the death cult themselves. It would suit their 'straight shooting' style, but alas, we'll have to keep watching the shit dribble from their mouths.
They are banning Muslims, and building a wall... A WALL!!!!
 
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Look on the bright side, the wall might make it harder for them to export their madness. :thumbsu:
True. It may be more about keeping them in, rather than others out. That place is just ridiculous. How they grew to be the strongest nation, goes to show you that in spite of gross stupidity, you can still make it.
 

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True. It may be more about keeping them in, rather than others out. That place is just ridiculous. How they grew to be the strongest nation, goes to show you that in spite of gross stupidity, you can still make it.
I love so much about the US. The best of it is incredible, a place of dreams, innovation, freedom, dynamism. But they don't do things half-arsed, unfortunately, and the worst of the US can be heartbreaking.

I'm leaving the Dusty Drama for the day. Whatever the hell happened, one thing is certain: the truth becomes more distant after (a) midnight and (b) 5 beers.
 
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