Dustin Martin is better than Dangerfield

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Not only is Dusty better than Danger he is also better than both Ablett's too
In order:

- Better finals player right now. Undeniably. Very little between them overall.
- Great player but Ablett junior's a phenomenon. Even in decline he's still better than most small forwards (35 goals is ridiculous output at his age).
- Can't go there. Still the best player I've ever seen. If you took just the best qualities of the other three I'm not sure that equals senior.
 

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Sensitive tigers wont be happy about this
Not sure why they should get upset about my little opinion.

I prefer the company of oddballs than dickheads.

As for the topic of the thread, I honestly can't choose. Danger seems the better player week by week but you cant argue that Dusty doesn't do it when it counts. Both are explosive as all fu**, good to watch.
One is recognised as being a selfless team man. First instinct is to bring his teammates into the game. Keeps a low profile (as much as one can when pulling in a couple of mill a year with off- field dollars) and is generally regarded as a team first player.

The other is considered an oddball. Martin a dickhead.

And yet it’s Tiger fans that are sensitive. Grow up.
 

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I don't think anyone does care about your opinion.
Gavin Excell is still very, very upset that Richmond 'most always beat Geelong in games that matter. He's just projecting.
Poor fellow.
I'm well and truly over people giving their personal opinion on AFL player's character.

They watch maybe one or two games a year, and read a couple of articles by a sports journo who knows even less, and they sit around pontificating about who they'd like to hang out with and who's a dickhead, etc.

Cotch was asked about these sort of opinions recently and said something like "who cares? They're fat and sit on a couch." Nail. Hammer. Head.
 

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Serious question. Would another flag and/or norm smith bump dusty up a level in peoples eyes?
He's already a great player but it's the era in which he plays. They get such a decent run today as even taggers gets penalized heavily like they never did 10 years ago.
Greg Williams was just as dominant as Dustin Martin and he had to put up with guys roughing him up all day long. Imagine players in the 90's getting the luxury of all the rules involved today, Hird and Williams would be putting up similar number to Neale but with the added bonus of goal scoring like Martin.

Having said that, Martin in the 90's would have dominated just as he is today.
 

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He's already a great player but it's the era in which he plays. They get such a decent run today as even taggers gets penalized heavily like they never did 10 years ago.
Greg Williams was just as dominant as Dustin Martin and he had to put up with guys roughing him up all day long. Imagine players in the 90's getting the luxury of all the rules involved today, Hird and Williams would be putting up similar number to Neale but with the added bonus of goal scoring like Martin.

Having said that, Martin in the 90's would have dominated just as he is today.
That's a fair point for sure. I also reckon with the improved levels of fitness in footy today if Martin of danger of fyfe was sent back to the 90s they would destroy the comp.
 

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That's a fair point for sure. I also reckon with the improved levels of fitness in footy today if Martin of danger of fyfe was sent back to the 90s they would destroy the comp.
If Gary Ablett Senior was playing in the modern era, and assuming he had the fitness of a modern player, imagine how dominant and versatile a midfielder he would have been.
 

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That's a fair point for sure. I also reckon with the improved levels of fitness in footy today if Martin of danger of fyfe was sent back to the 90s they would destroy the comp.
Why would they have the same fitness levels of today if they played in the 90's?
If the likes of Ablett Snr, Koutoufides, Hird, Williams, Carey had the same fitness levels of the players today, you don't think they dominate the league in a manor which sets them well above their peers?
 

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Serious question. Would another flag and/or norm smith bump dusty up a level in peoples eyes?
Another 2-3 of him playing at this level. He's just as good as all the others, better than some, but has been 10-15th most his career then pops up in a couple finals and changes everyones perception.. Would like too see a few strong seasons in a row.
 

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Why would they have the same fitness levels of today if they played in the 90's?
If the likes of Ablett Snr, Koutoufides, Hird, Williams, Carey had the same fitness levels of the players today, you don't think they dominate the league in a manor which sets them well above their peers?
Fair point. I was thinking a time machine. I believe generally the players of today are better than yesteryear. It's been a constant improvement in skill and fitness.
 

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Fair point. I was thinking a time machine. I believe generally the players of today are better than yesteryear. It's been a constant improvement in skill and fitness.
But what about basic footy skills?
Martin has to play on when having a set shot for goal. He also has absolutely no left foot to speak of. Not a very good jumper so he wouldn't be able to clunk overhead marks like they had to every week in the early days.
 

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Why would they have the same fitness levels of today if they played in the 90's?
If the likes of Ablett Snr, Koutoufides, Hird, Williams, Carey had the same fitness levels of the players today, you don't think they dominate the league in a manor which sets them well above their peers?
Maybe not in a "manor", but on the field, yes
 

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But what about basic footy skills?
Martin has to play on when having a set shot for goal. He also has absolutely no left foot to speak of. Not a very good jumper so he wouldn't be able to clunk overhead marks like they had to every week in the early days.
He’s actually got a great left foot, he just rarely uses it.
If you’re critical of him for playing on around the corner which player from which club was it who made it the in thing could you remind me?
 

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He’s actually got a great left foot, he just rarely uses it.
If you’re critical of him for playing on around the corner which player from which club was it who made it the in thing could you remind me?
I am critical of him and yes, Stevie J around the corner was almost a clown show in the end. I once saw him try to the snap shot from about 40 metres out and guess what happened? The ball landed 20 metres out straight into the oppositions lap. Had he just done a regular drop punt, he gets it to the goal square and panic for defenders.
 

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If Gary Ablett Senior was playing in the modern era, and assuming he had the fitness of a modern player, imagine how dominant and versatile a midfielder he would have been.
Think Geelong held a mini-Olympics one year, well into the pre-season, and Ablett snr turned up with zero preparation and killed every event (except the 1500 because he said it was too far to run!).
 

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Think Geelong held a mini-Olympics one year, well into the pre-season, and Ablett snr turned up with zero preparation and killed every event (except the 1500 because he said it was too far to run!).
My mate (who is quite a lot older than myself) use to live next to Kardinia. He would go to the open training sessions the Cats use to hold back in the 90's. Back then, the team would break up into separate units while others would do individual work with a trainer or employee of the club.
One day at practice he observed Ablett in the center of the ground practicing his torpedo goal kicking. It was the city end and he was slotting goals from the center of the ground and they were hitting the fence. Had about 15 shots and most sailed through the goals. Was one of the most impressive sights he had ever seen. Had to be at least 80+ metres. Incredibly powerful individual.
 

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He's already a great player but it's the era in which he plays. They get such a decent run today as even taggers gets penalized heavily like they never did 10 years ago.
Greg Williams was just as dominant as Dustin Martin and he had to put up with guys roughing him up all day long. Imagine players in the 90's getting the luxury of all the rules involved today, Hird and Williams would be putting up similar number to Neale but with the added bonus of goal scoring like Martin.

Having said that, Martin in the 90's would have dominated just as he is today.
Greg Williams 1.4 frees for per game, 1.0 against.
Dustin Martin 0.9 frees for per game, 1.5 against.
 

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