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Sounds like a grossly insecure Geelong supporter there
So tell me what did you think about a normal Dangerfield game against the Tigers in the prelim ?
...you realised you just proved Sttew's post, right?
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Sounds like a grossly insecure Geelong supporter there
So tell me what did you think about a normal Dangerfield game against the Tigers in the prelim ?
How so !! He jumped into our posts about Dusty/Danger calling me an insecure Richmond supporter whilst having a mare about dangerfield...you realised you just proved Sttew's post, right?
Well of course they would rather the premiership but when judging two players on individual ability only one of those two things are an individual award.B & F in a premiership year along with a Norm Smith is worth 5 best / fairest in anybodys world
But if you were to ask any player what would they prefer AA or a premiership i think you will find that Dusty wins hands down
Anyway Danger has 2 seasons on Dusty , I can see dusty in 5-6 years going past these
Its the performances in games like GF / Prelim is the point i was makingWell of course they would rather the premiership but when judging two players on individual ability only one of those two things are an individual award.
Its the performances in games like GF / Prelim is the point i was making
but when the AA and B&F comes into the argument then clearly the premiership and the norm smith has to also
But personally i think most here agree that its Dusty over Danger so let it go for another 5 years and see at the end of their careers
Dusty could end up with 4 premierships 3 norm smith's 5 AA and 4 B & F 's
Merely making the point Dusty's 2017 was not so outstanding as you portray. Danger was hot on his heels. Fact.
Quote Leigh Matthews, best individual season he has seen by a player Dustin Martin 2017.Martin did not single handley win your team a flag in 2017.
He was a big part of the success but he was in the right place at the right time.
It's laughable to even put Martin in the same category as Carey. It's not even close. It only indicates your age by doing so.
This is one of my favourite ones, so because one person (all be it a legend) made that claim it is all of a sudden true? He has an opinion he is totally entitled to but i think it was incredibly seduced by recency bias. Go to very late in that season and he was not even the definitive best player of the season. He had one of if not the most successful individual season but he was not better in 2017 than Fyfe in 15 and (imo) Danger 16Quote Leigh Matthews, best individual season he has seen by a player Dustin Martin 2017.
But you obviously know more than Leigh Matthews.
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Yeah talk about a badly used phrase.
I don't think any player - from any club - has "single handedly" won a game in years. Decades perhaps. It's more of a team game now than it ever has been.
Martin was absolutely brilliant in 2017, but he had support from an entire team that clicked at the right time. Just like Ablett did with Geelong a decade earlier (and Carey with North while we're at it). The idea of a great player carrying his side (like the Judd "shoulders are sore from carrying the team" garbage) is a total myth.
This is one of my favourite ones, so because one person (all be it a legend) made that claim it is all of a sudden true? He has an opinion he is totally entitled to but i think it was incredibly seduced by recency bias. Go to very late in that season and he was not even the definitive best player of the season. He had one of if not the most successful individual season but he was not better in 2017 than Fyfe in 15 and (imo) Danger 16
Quote Leigh Matthews, best individual season he has seen by a player Dustin Martin 2017.
But you obviously know more than Leigh Matthews.
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Leigh does have a tendency to make these kind of statements. He and his old coach David Parkin often appear to have memory issues when they comment on something that they have just seen. In 2008 Franklin booted 113 goals and 80 odd points and LM said he had never seen a player have a better individual season. He played with a bloke in 1971 who kicked 150. He will undoubtedly say someone else has done it it the not too distant future. Dusty may or may not have played the best individual season in 2017 but I wouldn’t use Leigh Matthews proclamation as proof of that.
ok boomerI suspect half the kiddies touting Martin as GOAT or superior to Ablett Senior never actually saw him play.
Ablett Junior is currently the GOCE. He’s done it for well over a decade, and across the season
Quote Leigh Matthews, best individual season he has seen by a player Dustin Martin 2017.
But you obviously know more than Leigh Matthews.
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Please don't use Dangerfield and Dusty in the same sentence again.
Dangerfield does not show up in finals. Dusty dominates them!!
History revisionism.
Martin's been better than most in September but in terms of dominating finals . . . he's had his fair share of sub-par performances.
Please don't try and tell me 2017 was the greatest individual performance by a player in this games history just because Leigh Matthews said it might be.
I agree, life long Tiger fan and love Dusty....but Gary Ablett Snr is without doubt the best player I have ever seen. I am 51 and I lived in Geelong for a few years( mid to late 80s), when he was at his peak and he was truly something else. Dusty matches him for ground level play, however Ablett would also stand on players heads about 3 or 4 times a game, as well kick bags of goals weekly, whether that be from the wing, centre or full forward. He was nothing short of a phenomenon and in my humble opinion, the best footballer to have played the game in my lifetime.Martin is the best Tiger I've seen just pipping Maurice Rioli. But, Ablett Snr is the best footballer I've seen, ever and I watched a lot of Geelong games back in those days. Martin's a freak but Ablett Snr was so good it was ridiculous.
I'm not going to compare Dusty and Danger, and I don't want to compare the absolute superstars of different eras, but I will ask this. Is it generally agreed upon that ALL the players as a whole are held to a higher standard of skill level than ALL the players of yesteryear and will continue in that fashion as each year passes.
I wasn't alive to watch Senior or Matthews or any of the legends Pre 1990, but I will say both those players are more than likely "better" than dusty, but when I watch old matches, from my perspective, modern footy has a greater showcase of skill across the board, where as it seemed more concentrated among certain players back in the day. I reckon one of the lower rated players of today would generally have better and cleaner skills than one of the lower rated players from history.
Kicking action, awareness, form, speed, endurance etc all seem silkier and more impressive from the lower players Of today than they did in old replays. I suppose it comes with the territory of becoming a more professional sport.
Senior and Matthews would rip teams apart still if they were playing today though I reckon.
I probably focussed on comparing them to older stars a little too much. Especially considering I said I didn't want to do that haha.Danger and Dusty aren't really that compared to the greatest players from most other eras. Before either I'd pick around 10 Geelong players from our premiership sides, Judd, Buddy, N. Riewoldt, Dane Swan, Brisbane players etc. Danger can't kick or dispose the ball properly and Martin whilst clean in most aspects isn't that spectacular and has only really played at that level in 2 finals campaigns.
You saying the umps got it wrong in 2017? Nice
And every other award available. Clearly the goat season where even the umps couldn't get it wrong St tewCan you name another player that has won a norm smith medal, a brownlow medal and a premiership medal in
the same year??????
Nope, not sure I know more than Leigh but best individual season ever?
That's absurd.
It's even more absurd given how soft the current game is today.
Players like Martin, Ablett, Dangerfield, Neale, Fyfe, they get treated better by the umpires than at any stage in the games history. Taggers can't grab the jumper for a second, can't impede their run, can't even dump to the ground after the play without it going down field.
The game is all about protecting the star player.
I mean they even get the luxury of resting up one week before the finals begin!
Blokes like Pratt, Coleman, Carey, Blight, Ablett, they put up with crap and still dominated on most weeks. They also dominated for their respective State teams. At least in Ablett's case, he certainly did for Victoria.
To imply Martin's 29 disposals per game, 1.5 goals per game is the greatest individual season ever, then Patrick Dangerfield's 2017 must be the second greatest individual season ever.
Get a clue mc snooza.
Can you name another player that has won a norm smith medal, a brownlow medal and a premiership medal in
the same year??????
Blah blah Coleman blah Prat blah. Yeah the game is soft try telling that to Mc Cartin, Brayshaw or Johnathon Brown.
Please don't quote Martins stats, the reason he is a champion is because he performes in pivotal moments of finals
and grand finals, did you watch the last grand final he kicked 4 goals and set up 3, hence 2 premiership medal 2 normsmith
medal, Did i mention the Brownlow??
I think your best to get your head out of your backside, grab a shandy and your hand bag sit back and admire the rest
of Dustin Martins 5 or 6 year remaining career, because both you and i are witnessing a very special player.
Big apology to all other Geelong supporters, i don't mean to disrespect to Paddy Dangerfield in any way, I think he is a
phenominal player/athlete, he explosive strong overhead awesome up forward kicks bags. I happily pay admission to
watch Danger do his thing.