Opinion Dustin Martin is better than Dangerfield

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

Martin BoG in the State of Origin. Close thread.

 

[woota]

Obviously people will think I'm a whackjob for saying this but I don't even think Dusty is the best player at the tiges. Jack Riewoldt is over 30, in the twilight of his career now but his consistent performance over a long period of time supersedes Dusty's stellar 2017 season. I think some people have forgotten that a big part of the reason for Dusty's impact in 2017 was that that was the year he took the "Don't argue" to another level and opposition players couldn't lay an effective tackle on him. Well that changed a bit in the past 2 seasons as the opposition figured out how to nullify that facet of his game. I don't know the stats on this but he was probably pinged for holding the ball more than any other Richmond player last season. He is an extraordinarily skilled player and at his best he is just magic, in the same mould as Peter Matera, but in terms of reliability, consistency, football brain, I am seriously tempted to say that Jack Riewoldt > Dustin Martin.

 

[jezza1435]

Anyone arguing either player is way better than the other is crazy, both are seriously awesome players in their own right


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[woota]

I think Dangerfield is great.

But Dusty is in the Ablett/Buddy stratosphere now.

Well in terms of the entire history of the game, what stratosphere is that?

It's carey, lockett, dunstall, matthews, williams, gablett snr in the top stratosphere (and a bunch of players I never got to watch like coleman, jesaulenko etc).

But who is the next rung below them? Is it hird, voss, judd, mcleoud, matera, buckley, cousins? Is ablett jnr, buddy and martin in this stratosphere?

 

[My Tilly]

Well in terms of the entire history of the game, what stratosphere is that?

It's carey, lockett, dunstall, matthews, williams, gablett snr in the top stratosphere (and a bunch of players I never got to watch like coleman, jesaulenko etc).

But who is the next rung below them? Is it hird, voss, judd, mcleoud, matera, buckley, cousins? Is ablett jnr, buddy and martin in this stratosphere?

It isn't Ablett Junior and I don't think it is Franklin either. Those guys have been consistently brilliant for a good 10 years.

Martin's been brilliant for about 4 years?

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

Anyone arguing either player is way better than the other is crazy, both are seriously awesome players in their own right


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I agree. But Martin is much better. Dangerfield‘s main weapon is bursting out of a pack and kicking it out on the full.

 

[woota]

It isn't Ablett Junior and I don't think it is Franklin either. Those guys have been consistently brilliant for a good 10 years.

Martin's been brilliant for about 4 years?

Well that's why I'm saying Riewoldt > Martin. He has been a consistent performer for 10+ years.

 

[Dan]

Yes

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Obviously people will think I'm a whackjob for saying this but I don't even think Dusty is the best player at the tiges. Jack Riewoldt is over 30, in the twilight of his career now but his consistent performance over a long period of time supersedes Dusty's stellar 2017 season. I think some people have forgotten that a big part of the reason for Dusty's impact in 2017 was that that was the year he took the "Don't argue" to another level and opposition players couldn't lay an effective tackle on him. Well that changed a bit in the past 2 seasons as the opposition figured out how to nullify that facet of his game. I don't know the stats on this but he was probably pinged for holding the ball more than any other Richmond player last season. He is an extraordinarily skilled player and at his best he is just magic, in the same mould as Peter Matera, but in terms of reliability, consistency, football brain, I am seriously tempted to say that Jack Riewoldt > Dustin Martin.

Yeah dusty penalised for his strength tho, gets a hand free when the average player gets it held to his chest.

Average player- ball up, held to him, no prior
Dusty pinged HTB incorrect disposal cause he got just one arm free

 

[Ppaper69]

Dusty is better than danger, but I also rate Bont ahead of danger

 

[AjsGuns]

Dusty is better than danger, but I also rate Bont ahead of danger

Not yet,

Danger has obviously had the better career to date, as his had an extra 6 years.

but even based on the last 4 years:

2016 - Danger, won a brownlow and was the best player in the comp, Bont had an outstanding year as a kid and won a BnF in a premiership year, but Danger was the best player in the league so gets the nod.

2017 - Danger, Bont had what many considered a down year on his 2016

2018 - Danger

2019 - Call it a tie, Bont won the AFLCA player of the year and Danger was favorite to win the Brownlow and came runner up.

FWIW, I think both Bont & Cripps go past Danger this year, but havn't yet if I'm objective. All of Dusty, Danger, Fyfe, Bont & Cripps will likely go down as AFL Legends, but none will be better than Gaz Jnr IMO.

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Cant go wrong with either, both could tidy up their kicking efficiency though

 

[Grrr]

Obviously people will think I'm a whackjob for saying this but I don't even think Dusty is the best player at the tiges. Jack Riewoldt is over 30, in the twilight of his career now but his consistent performance over a long period of time supersedes Dusty's stellar 2017 season. I think some people have forgotten that a big part of the reason for Dusty's impact in 2017 was that that was the year he took the "Don't argue" to another level and opposition players couldn't lay an effective tackle on him. Well that changed a bit in the past 2 seasons as the opposition figured out how to nullify that facet of his game. I don't know the stats on this but he was probably pinged for holding the ball more than any other Richmond player last season. He is an extraordinarily skilled player and at his best he is just magic, in the same mould as Peter Matera, but in terms of reliability, consistency, football brain, I am seriously tempted to say that Jack Riewoldt > Dustin Martin.

That is a fair enough opinion, Riewoldt has been a bloody good player, and vital to Richmond. Still think Dusty has him covered but not by much. There is not a whole lot of difference in the top end of town.

Thought Martin looked very sharp and very fit which is a good sign, and I thought Dangerfield was really good once he got going.

Given the way he marked the ball, would Dangerfield be a better bet as an old fashioned full forward for Geelong this year. Not many would go with him for pace and he is so strong in the air. Clear out the forward line.

 

[View from the nosebleed]

Obviously people will think I'm a whackjob for saying this but I don't even think Dusty is the best player at the tiges. Jack Riewoldt is over 30, in the twilight of his career now but his consistent performance over a long period of time supersedes Dusty's stellar 2017 season. I think some people have forgotten that a big part of the reason for Dusty's impact in 2017 was that that was the year he took the "Don't argue" to another level and opposition players couldn't lay an effective tackle on him. Well that changed a bit in the past 2 seasons as the opposition figured out how to nullify that facet of his game. I don't know the stats on this but he was probably pinged for holding the ball more than any other Richmond player last season. He is an extraordinarily skilled player and at his best he is just magic, in the same mould as Peter Matera, but in terms of reliability, consistency, football brain, I am seriously tempted to say that Jack Riewoldt > Dustin Martin.

so Riewoldt > Martin > danger?

 

[queensberryrules]

so Riewoldt > Martin > danger?

The scandalous opinion about Jack is not that he maybe the Tiges best and valuable player the last number of years, it is that he has superceded his cousin. That opinion will cause apoplexy amongst ideologues.

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[HardcoreGeelongFan]

Dustin Martin isn't a player he's an AFL brand. Basically Richmond = huge club = $$$$. They need to make a Richmond great besides KB so they can sell merchendise for another 40 years. Expect more medals to come they can fit in another Brownlow at least

 

[HardcoreGeelongFan]

The scandalous opinion about Jack is not that he maybe the Tiges best and valuable player the last number of years, it is that he has superceded his cousin. That opinion will cause apoplexy amongst ideologues.

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It's not even a debate. Nick went past Jack like 15 years ago

 

[gingernuts]

That is a fair enough opinion, Riewoldt has been a bloody good player, and vital to Richmond. Still think Dusty has him covered but not by much. There is not a whole lot of difference in the top end of town.

Thought Martin looked very sharp and very fit which is a good sign, and I thought Dangerfield was really good once he got going.

Given the way he marked the ball, would Dangerfield be a better bet as an old fashioned full forward for Geelong this year. Not many would go with him for pace and he is so strong in the air. Clear out the forward line.

nah he is not reliable in front of goal

 

[Grrr]

nah he is not reliable in front of goal

Well he might not be that reliable, but I reckon he'd kick a swag of goals, and a swag of points then.

 

[Leeda]

one speaks and one doesn't... Marty is what Danger isn't.. rough and smooth.. Tatts no Tatts..

 

[My Tilly]

That is a fair enough opinion, Riewoldt has been a bloody good player, and vital to Richmond. Still think Dusty has him covered but not by much. There is not a whole lot of difference in the top end of town.

Thought Martin looked very sharp and very fit which is a good sign, and I thought Dangerfield was really good once he got going.

Given the way he marked the ball, would Dangerfield be a better bet as an old fashioned full forward for Geelong this year. Not many would go with him for pace and he is so strong in the air. Clear out the forward line.

We can't.
There's now two old timid dinosaurs occupying the forward fifty.

 

[Leeda]

We can't.
There's now two old timid dinosaurs occupying the forward fifty.

Lordy they are dinosaurs already... of course they are .. we are swift time travellers...

 

[Partridge]

Given the way he marked the ball, would Dangerfield be a better bet as an old fashioned full forward for Geelong this year. Not many would go with him for pace and he is so strong in the air. Clear out the forward line.

No. No way.

The reality is, Dangerfield has played precisely two games as a forward where he’s had an impact. The Hawthorn game where he kicked 5, and the Sydney Final. He’s had no influence as a forward for over two years, with plenty of game time there. Opposition teams now put key defenders on him, not resting midfielders. His best position is midfield, by a long long way.

 

[Partridge]

Dusty hasn't been that good until recently. Danger is on another level. I rate Selwood/Pendlebury/Fyfe/Bartel over Martin but Martin is still in that echelon

Not until he starts producing his best football in finals he's not. In that respect Martin has him covered easily right now.

 

[hutstar]

Well in terms of the entire history of the game, what stratosphere is that?

It's carey, lockett, dunstall, matthews, williams, gablett snr in the top stratosphere (and a bunch of players I never got to watch like coleman, jesaulenko etc).

But who is the next rung below them? Is it hird, voss, judd, mcleoud, matera, buckley, cousins? Is ablett jnr, buddy and martin in this stratosphere?

I wish we could re-write history on some of those 'top tier' players. It's no coincidence that you have 3 full forwards who played at roughly the same time on your list. Given the massive improvement in strategy over the past 20 years, will there ever be another immortal if Gazza Jr isn't one?