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Opinion Dustin Martin is better than Dangerfield
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I reckon the fact that people are putting him in the conversation with players of that quality is good enough.
I'm just happy that I get to watch him without being annoyed that he isn't on my team.
I disagree with this.
He played in 16 finals and out of all of them, I count 1991 EF, 1994 PF, 1994 GF, 1995 GF and 1996 QF as terrible games.
All the rest he was fine in. A handful of them he was great in.
A lot of people seem to ignore a few of Dusty's poorer finals performances. 2013 EF, 2015 EF, 2018 PF, 2020 QF.
And like you say, different times. Ablett had a bloke hanging off him most of the game. Guys like Worsfold, Frawley, Brennan, Silvagni, Martin . . . these guys were at the extreme end of following your shadow.
Martin's had the complete luxury of doing his business without too much negating at all. He excels due to his running capacity and extraordinary footy skills but back in the 80's and 90's, he would have copped it unfairly. I have no doubt he would have been a perennial tribunal visitor just as Ablett was.
The teams were quit different then and so were defenses.
Players get closed down so quickly these days.
Ablett will always be special and anyone who kicks 14 goals in a game (even against a hapless Richmond) has got something special. Just a freak of a athlete.
Lol, odd call to try and highlight Dusty's "poor" finals performances in this argument. Dusty's played in 15 finals, and was BOG or very close to it in all of the ones you haven't highlighted bar the 2014 EF v Port where we got spanked (that's 10/15 finals he was arguably BOG in). He was probably our best player v Port with 29 touches.
Of the ones you have highlighted - in the 2015 EF he had our second most touches and was in our best. In the 2020 QF was also in our best (arguably BOG at half time but faded with the team). 2018 PF and 2013 EF I'll probably give you (2013 EF he was pretty young and was below average but wasn't horrible, 2018 PF he was on one leg). Ridiculous record.
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Of the 12 Finals Martin's played (since he became the player he is), it's quicker to list the games he wasn't a clear BOG.
2017 - PF
2018 - PF
2019 - PF
2020 - QF
In the 17 PF he was equal with Rioli and Cotchin and in the 19 PF (his worst performance in a win) he was still about the 7th best player on the ground.
His record, for lack of a better term, is absolutely ****ed.
2017 - PF
2018 - PF
2019 - PF
2020 - QF
In the 17 PF he was equal with Rioli and Cotchin and in the 19 PF (his worst performance in a win) he was still about the 7th best player on the ground.
His record, for lack of a better term, is absolutely ****ed.
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Decades being the laughing stock?It makes it sound like we're the only club to have such a dubious honor.Think all clubs have been down that road.
However i'd just point out to you that this current Dynasty is our 2nd of with the mid 60's to mid 70's as out first Dynasty.
Congratulations BTW on your first dynasty at the end of the last decade.
Not even close to https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_match_statistics?mid=6166&sby=14#t1
No, in the 2020 QF he was well below par. He was brilliant in the first quarter with 7 touches but did very little afterwards https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/li...m/news-story/f23c63e9ba261b0e57902d0257af6376
In 2013 he may have been 22yrs and played 100 games, but he still played a poor game.
2018, I agree, was injury riddled but just as it was for Ablett Snr on the eve of the 1995 finals with a hamstring injury, no excuses for these champions if fit to play.
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LOL. Talk it up, Partridge...
Essendon fluked a premiership in '93, but they didn't win the flag thanks to their outstanding defensive stoppers
- They had Mark Harvey (184cm) pinch hitting at centre half back.
- At full back, they had a skinny, gawky 17 year old kid from Essendon Grammar named Dustin Fletcher.
It was Peak Ablett that day. He kicked his 14 goals against a mixture of 17yo Dustin Fletcher, journeyman back pocket David Grenvold (180cm), and a 20yo James Hird who had never played in defence in his life before that day (and he had NFI against the rampant Ablett!)
It was Fletcher's 3rd game of senior football and Hirdy's 10th game for the Bombers.
The game was a wide-open high-scoring shoot out played in perfect conditions. Essendon 23.18 (156) def Geelong 19.18 (132). 78 scoring shots! Any gun full forward would've feasted vs the Bombers that day. The opposition full forwards kicked bags of 6 in Essendon's 3 previous games (Danny Del-Re, Michael Werner and a 19 year-old Saverio Rocca). Not exactly household names. Ablett would've broken Fred Fanning's record if he'd kicked straighter. He had 21 scoring shots.
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I was going to say my one time recollection was that he was pretty impressive in that 2017 Prelim. I remember a few goals absolutely breaking GWS open. But could see Cotchin getting the nod that day.
LOL. Talk it up, Partridge...
Essendon fluked a premiership in '93, but they didn't win the flag thanks to their outstanding defensive stoppers
That's how short-handed they were for defenders that year.
- They had Mark Harvey (184cm) pinch hitting at centre half back.
- At full back, they had a skinny, gawky 17 year old kid from Essendon Grammar named Dustin Fletcher.
It was Peak Ablett that day. He kicked his 14 goals against a mixture of 17yo Dustin Fletcher, journeyman back pocket David Grenvold (180cm), and a 20yo James Hird who had never played in defence in his life before that day (and he had NFI against the rampant Ablett!)
It was Fletcher's 3rd game of senior football and Hirdy's 10th game for the Bombers.
The game was a wide-open high-scoring shoot out played in perfect conditions. Essendon 23.18 (156) def Geelong 19.18 (132). 78 scoring shots! Any gun full forward would've feasted vs the Bombers that day. The opposition full forwards kicked bags of 6 in Essendon's 3 previous games (Danny Del-Re, Michael Werner and a 19 year-old Saverio Rocca). Not exactly household names. Ablett would've broken Fred Fanning's record if he'd kicked straighter. He had 21 scoring shots.
Wasn't talking up anything. Merely pointing out it wasn't just feasting on rubbish teams.
That Essendon team would be one of the weaker premiership sides in living memory, no doubt at all.
He also had Chris Daniher and Derek Kickett at times too.
He is a serial underperformer in finals though. It's not just the Grand final. He's had more poor games than good ones in the last three years for sure. And in two of the 2017 finals he had no impact whatsoever.
Yeah I reckon it was Dusty that day. He killed the game off in a 10-15 minute burst from memory.
This is a really good picture and remember thinking at the time why is dangerfield waiting to recieve the ball when he should have been going for the bump to sheaperd blickavs so he can run the ball out of defence.
Not just close to, bang on.
Per your link he was Richmond's second highest disposal winner with 21, behind Miles with 22, and was named in our best https://www.afl.com.au/news/76685/kangaroos-bounce-out-tigers-in-mcg-thriller
Not a fantastic game by any measure but not a poor one either
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Yep. Just watched the highlights. Cotchin was inspirational all day too.
Love going back to read the first page of this thread
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Remind which two games did he have no impact whatsoever again?
vs Richmond; 31 touches, 1.1, 5 tackles, 3 clearances, 9 clangers
vs Sydney; 26 touches, 4.3, 4 tackles, 2 clearances, 3 clangers
vs Adelaide; 24 touches, 2.3, 9 tackles, 5 clearances, 3 clangers
I think you're confusing Danger's impact with the result of the game. His overall finals averages are almost exactly the same as his overall h&a averages
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To be fair, most of Ablett's finals were played in his 30s and he was cooked by the gf. Geelong also didn't have much of a backline, it was all out attack, a gun midfield that rarely showed up in grand finals and a gun forward line. If he didn't play Geelong probably wouldn't have made 4 grand finals, like Carey at North
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Yep, I reckon he gets too anxious and tries too hard, calling it choking or whatever. His numbers can look good in finals but in reality he has zero impact, it's all under pressure.
Why is this thread still running, it shouldn't even be a question anymore?
