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I've posted this before, but the notion that Dustin is/was weighing up his decision on how the Tigers go this year is pure nonsense. Him and his team are motivated by money, plain and simple. He's already done this dance and shopped himself around, so the "Richmond stood by him through all his crap" means next to nothing too. The one that he should stay at a big club like Richmond for it's commercial/opportunity value to him beyond footy is even worse. Dustin has almost zero commercial value in almost all areas as he barely speaks to the media, has no form of education bar a PT course, has next to no profile apart from the tattoo'd guy from Richmond and to be blunt, is as dumb as dog shit. He at one stage was simply throwing mobile phones out when they stopped working (cut off) and went to other providers, more examples of this exist. The man has to be rationed money on an allowance even at this stage of his life.

Ralph Carr is doing precisely what Dustin needs in his life and that is to max out his value at practically the only thing he is good at, playing football. He will go where the biggest money is IMO and as far as I'm concerned, for someone like Martin, that is the very best decision.
To second this point, a friend of mine was once managed by Martin's same manager, a handful of years ago, and would mention how said manager would try to wrangle control of Dusty's spending. For example, my friend was having lunch with the manager when Martin called, and mentioned that he just bought some expensive car, days after working out a strict spending plan to keep his funds together.

I don't know if Martin doesn't understand math, or simply doesn't care, but money is rather expendable in his lifestyle. Having more of it will help ensure that he actually has money when he retires which should keep him out of trouble (something I imagine money-hungry Carr will be pressing).
 

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Dusty will make any team better. Can he take North to the finals next year? No. Maybe not the year after that either. North are going through a rebuild at the moment and have some studs in Brown, Tarrant, McDonald, Neilson, Pruess, Simpkin, Mountford, Durdin, Vickers-Willis, plus pick 1 or 2 this year. If they get Dusty, good on them, but they will have destroyed their salary to the point that when these kids want to get paid at ages 23-24, Dusty's mega deal will force them to let go of at least a few. If you have Dusty but lose Ben Brown and Luke McDonald to contending clubs, is that a win? I'm not sure.

Plus with Cunnington and Zielbell being 25-28 (having a stab at ages), their timeline doesn't add up. Dusty is turning 27 next year, the time where you'd want to be either contending or at least 5th/6th. Kelly, at 22, is who you want. If that doesn't happen, build conventionally - hit the draft for two years, then go for a stud.

I think Dusty will stay. Can see why North want him but they should really be taking the long view. Remember they chased Higgins, Waite, Dal Santo a few years ago for a premiership tilt that didn't get them there, and got them to the position they're now in.

Just my thoughts.
 

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I've never really understood this point of view to be honest. Just because we as fans love the atmosphere of a packed MCG, what makes you think this is something all the players enjoy? It's a completely different scenario to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if most players couldn't care less whether they played in front of 80,000 or 10,000. There is a chance many players even prefer having less attention or pressure on them.

You always hear the Swans players speak about how they enjoy the relative anonymity up there and it makes sense. Make good coin, play with your mates and enjoy success with minimum fuss.
if dusty goes to north you think there'd be minimum fuss? he'd be put up as the face of the club, their marquee player, they would want return on investment especially an investment of 1.5 mil. That's something that dusty would need to weigh up. Figure I am hearing is $300k per year more, so effectively $150k more per season after tax. You also need to ask yourself is your life going to be so much more comfortable and enjoyable earning $1.5mil per year as opposed to $1.2 mil.

Will be an interesting how they sell it if he does move as most recent big player moves have been to an interstate club, ablett, judd, buddy, and danger. And danger and judd were coming home. I actually can't remember the last time a big name player has moved from melbourne club to another melbourne club, especially from a top tier club to a bottom 4 club. They can't sell it any other way than it was for money.

I for one think he will stay but if he doesn't sign by finals I reckon he is gone.
 

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Can see why North want him but they should really be taking the long view.
I get opinions and gossip but how can a poster say this?! List managers are trained professionals. They aren't playing FIFA. They don't wake up in the morning and think "yep...going to try and get kelly and martin this year" and not take into account plan A, B, C and so on. I swear 99% of big footy think every player signs a 1-year contract that ticks over every year
 

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if dusty goes to north you think there'd be minimum fuss? he'd be put up as the face of the club, their marquee player, they would want return on investment especially an investment of 1.5 mil. That's something that dusty would need to weigh up. Figure I am hearing is $300k per year more, so effectively $150k more per season after tax. You also need to ask yourself is your life going to be so much more comfortable and enjoyable earning $1.5mil per year as opposed to $1.2 mil.

Will be an interesting how they sell it if he does move as most recent big player moves have been to an interstate club, ablett, judd, buddy, and danger. And danger and judd were coming home. I actually can't remember the last time a big name player has moved from melbourne club to another melbourne club, especially from a top tier club to a bottom 4 club. They can't sell it any other way than it was for money.

I for one think he will stay but if he doesn't sign by finals I reckon he is gone.
Yeah I agree with what you're saying with regards to this particular scenario with Dusty.

I'm talking more generally with the "Who would want to play in front of no-one?" statement, I just don't think it matters to most players that much (if at all).
 

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Dusty will make any team better. Can he take North to the finals next year? No. Maybe not the year after that either. North are going through a rebuild at the moment and have some studs in Brown, Tarrant, McDonald, Neilson, Pruess, Simpkin, Mountford, Durdin, Vickers-Willis, plus pick 1 or 2 this year. If they get Dusty, good on them, but they will have destroyed their salary to the point that when these kids want to get paid at ages 23-24, Dusty's mega deal will force them to let go of at least a few. If you have Dusty but lose Ben Brown and Luke McDonald to contending clubs, is that a win? I'm not sure.

Plus with Cunnington and Zielbell being 25-28 (having a stab at ages), their timeline doesn't add up. Dusty is turning 27 next year, the time where you'd want to be either contending or at least 5th/6th. Kelly, at 22, is who you want. If that doesn't happen, build conventionally - hit the draft for two years, then go for a stud.

I think Dusty will stay. Can see why North want him but they should really be taking the long view. Remember they chased Higgins, Waite, Dal Santo a few years ago for a premiership tilt that didn't get them there, and got them to the position they're now in.

Just my thoughts.
Agree with just about everything you say except for the money part. People are only seeing the average of the contract which is 1.5 per year. I think North are heavily front loading the contract maybe 4 mil in the first 2 years. Keep in mind everyone saying North have no stars to pay which isn't far wrong and the cap space we have. It could leave North paying 1-1.1 in his last 5 years of the contract. Very manageable with the EBA increase as well.
 

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if dusty goes to north you think there'd be minimum fuss? he'd be put up as the face of the club, their marquee player, they would want return on investment especially an investment of 1.5 mil. That's something that dusty would need to weigh up. Figure I am hearing is $300k per year more, so effectively $150k more per season after tax. You also need to ask yourself is your life going to be so much more comfortable and enjoyable earning $1.5mil per year as opposed to $1.2 mil.

Will be an interesting how they sell it if he does move as most recent big player moves have been to an interstate club, ablett, judd, buddy, and danger. And danger and judd were coming home. I actually can't remember the last time a big name player has moved from melbourne club to another melbourne club, especially from a top tier club to a bottom 4 club. They can't sell it any other way than it was for money.

I for one think he will stay but if he doesn't sign by finals I reckon he is gone.
Its not effectively 150k after tax - its a lot higher. i can't be bothered going through the tax laws, but he can put 30% of said income to a trust, therefore reducing taxable income to 24.5% ( CGT ). So it would be a lot closer to 7 years by 225k or 1.5mill bottom line. Life changing if you invest it properly.

Money has to come into equation for any rational person whether you like it or not. the key will be how close that gap is between each sides offer.

He doesn't owe Tigers anything, nor do they owe him.
 

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If they get Dusty, good on them, but they will have destroyed their salary to the point that when these kids want to get paid at ages 23-24, Dusty's mega deal will force them to let go of at least a few. If you have Dusty but lose Ben Brown and Luke McDonald to contending clubs, is that a win? I'm not sure.
I am surprised people still believe things like this, as if list managers and football departments don't plan long term.
 

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That was Wild Bill's argument not mine, he listed all North's close losses and said you'd win at least two of them if you had Martin.

Development isn't always a straight line either. Don't assume North automatically becomes a better side just because you put one more year into younger kids and maybe your injury list is shorter..



You're not getting either though, so good luck with the number 1 pick in the worst draft this century:thumbsu:



Those teams you listed spent more than one year out of the finals before making the jump. Talk about bias, the majority of North posters want us to believe that North is the best wooden spoon side in history. Those sides you mentioned had bucket loads more talent in their teams.



And Saints wouldn't be even be a mathematical chance of making finals of making it this year without Riewoldt and Montagna. Good luck trying to make it next year without them “lol”
Your calling 2017 the worst draft this decade? Thanks Doc Brown!!

I think you will find the top end is exceptional but it falls away quickly. Not a great year to have 3 late 1st rounders!!
 

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Dusty will make any team better. Can he take North to the finals next year? No. Maybe not the year after that either. North are going through a rebuild at the moment and have some studs in Brown, Tarrant, McDonald, Neilson, Pruess, Simpkin, Mountford, Durdin, Vickers-Willis, plus pick 1 or 2 this year. If they get Dusty, good on them, but they will have destroyed their salary to the point that when these kids want to get paid at ages 23-24, Dusty's mega deal will force them to let go of at least a few. If you have Dusty but lose Ben Brown and Luke McDonald to contending clubs, is that a win? I'm not sure.

Plus with Cunnington and Zielbell being 25-28 (having a stab at ages), their timeline doesn't add up. Dusty is turning 27 next year, the time where you'd want to be either contending or at least 5th/6th. Kelly, at 22, is who you want. If that doesn't happen, build conventionally - hit the draft for two years, then go for a stud.

I think Dusty will stay. Can see why North want him but they should really be taking the long view. Remember they chased Higgins, Waite, Dal Santo a few years ago for a premiership tilt that didn't get them there, and got them to the position they're now in.

Just my thoughts.
So if 1.5 destroys our cap what does 1.2 do to the Tigers cap?? Wasn't Buddy going to destroy the Swans cap?? How many players have they lost due to the Buddy contract??

People get hit on the head by an acorn and all of a sudden the sky is falling. Thanks Chicken Little - but I believe we will be fine.
 

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So if 1.5 destroys our cap what does 1.2 do to the Tigers cap?? Wasn't Buddy going to destroy the Swans cap?? How many players have they lost due to the Buddy contract??

People get hit on the head by an acorn and all of a sudden the sky is falling. Thanks Chicken Little - but I believe we will be fine.
Mumford and Mitchell the two that come to mind without checking who else they've lost, it's well documented that there depth is deplorable hence why a few injuries at the start of the year saw them at 0-6.
 

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I'm sure what ever extra North are offering the club will find a way through its coterie members to look after Martin for life after football ;).
I'm sure what ever extra the Tiger coterie are offering our club will find a way through its white knights to look after Martin for life after football.;)
 

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That was Wild Bill's argument not mine, he listed all North's close losses and said you'd win at least two of them if you had Martin.

Development isn't always a straight line either. Don't assume North automatically becomes a better side just because you put one more year into younger kids and maybe your injury list is shorter..



You're not getting either though, so good luck with the number 1 pick in the worst draft this century:thumbsu:



Those teams you listed spent more than one year out of the finals before making the jump. Talk about bias, the majority of North posters want us to believe that North is the best wooden spoon side in history. Those sides you mentioned had bucket loads more talent in their teams.



And Saints wouldn't be even be a mathematical chance of making finals of making it this year without Riewoldt and Montagna. Good luck trying to make it next year without them “lol”
You have a very poor comprehension of the truth Toadvine. You certainly have now issues in making up sh1t to suit your narrative.

FACTS....
Geelong 2015 finished regular season 10 and followed it up with 2nd 2016.

WBD finished 2014 in 14th followed by 6th in 2015

WCE went from last 2010 to 4th in 2011

Freo went from 14th 2009 to 6th in 2010

So what is evident is:
1. Teams can sharply rise the ladder.
2. RFC's 2017 is far from remarkable.

Dustin Martin is a champion player and RFC rise in 2017 is in part due to his form and his form only.

Enjoy your fleeting finals campaign whilst it lasts. If you win one, I may be willing to reconsider point number 2.


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I'm sure what ever extra North are offering the club will find a way through its coterie members to look after Martin for life after football ;).
Well you did the hard work tbf, raising him from a jungle child who had never even uttered a word to the man he is today.
 

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Mumford and Mitchell the two that come to mind without checking who else they've lost, it's well documented that there depth is deplorable hence why a few injuries at the start of the year saw them at 0-6.
Yeah they got hit hard since Buddy joined:

2nd in 2014, 5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016 and $4.50 to win the 2017 flag.
 

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Are you saying Norths list is on par with Sydneys? Boy oh Boy wowee.
Wow - how did you get that from my post?? 1 + 1 = 3

Buddy's godfather offer has not hurt the Swans at all - like every team they have lost players but still kept their guns to continue to challenge for flags.

I find it funny that 1.5 mill will destroy our cap but 1.2 is fine to fit in the Tigers.
 

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You have a very poor comprehension of the truth Toadvine. You certainly have now issues in making up sh1t to suit your narrative.

FACTS....
Geelong 2015 finished regular season 10 and followed it up with 2nd 2016.

WBD finished 2014 in 14th followed by 6th in 2015

WCE went from last 2010 to 4th in 2011

Freo went from 14th 2009 to 6th in 2010

So what is evident is:
1. Teams can sharply rise the ladder.
2. RFC's 2017 is far from remarkable.

Dustin Martin is a champion player and RFC rise in 2017 is in part due to his form and his form only.

Enjoy your fleeting finals campaign whilst it lasts. If you win one, I may be willing to reconsider point number 2.


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What I said was “Those teams you listed spent more than one year out of the finals before making the jump.”

That is entirely truthful aside from Geelong but 1 team out of 4 is the exception not the rule. So unless you’re implying that North has the same type of premiership quality list that Geelong had in 2015 I stand by my point.

Get used to being cellar dwellers because North won't be making the jump anytime soon. Especially when you haven't even truly bottomed out yet. I hear Waite is going to go round again next year? haha
 

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Its not effectively 150k after tax - its a lot higher. i can't be bothered going through the tax laws, but he can put 30% of said income to a trust, therefore reducing taxable income to 24.5% ( CGT ). So it would be a lot closer to 7 years by 225k or 1.5mill bottom line. Life changing if you invest it properly.

Money has to come into equation for any rational person whether you like it or not. the key will be how close that gap is between each sides offer.

He doesn't owe Tigers anything, nor do they owe him.
1.5 mil over 7 years is a fair bit to the average guy, when you are talking either just over $10 million or $8.5 million they should both be life changing and with the right investment he shouldn't have any problems leading a very comfortable life. Does dusty owe Richmond anything? Probably not however I am led to believe dusty is a very loyal person so I'm sure he wouldn't forget all the club has done for him since he arrived as a kid.
 
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