Play Nice Dustin Martin to North | 31/8: DM signed at RFC for 1.3m/7yrs

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Is the full amount definitely not included in your salary cap though?
Neil Balme confirmed on sen when it was made public that only the payout would be in the salary cap in 2017 , and we couldnt divide it into 2 years so 100,000 in the 2017 cap. He went onto say that is was similar to when players take pay cuts to fit other players in and the remainder would be used to pay other players upfront
 

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Jack @ 800
Cotchin@ 800
Prestia @ 750
Caddy @ 500
Nank @ 450
Houli @ 400
Ivan @ 400

Astbury will want 500
Martin is worth 1.4m
Rioli will need 500+

They would have **** all left IMO.

5x 1.4-1.5 should get it done and they can have pick 11 as compensation.
LOl thats really Funny but i will go through it.

Cotchin@ 800 - Correct
Prestia @ 750 - Correct
Caddy @ 500 - Doubt it very much, Vickery dollars so probably 50k-100k inflation on your behalf
Nank @ 450 - Reserves grade player who crossed from sydney for #72 on a 3 year deal ( would be lucky to be on $350k)
Houli @ 400 - Grigg & Houli salary was reported at $330k
Ivan @ 400 - On a 1 year deal was going to retire last year and just stayed on as emergency and would be lucky to be on half that

Astbury will want 500 - This may be correct at the end of the year
Martin is worth 1.4m - He would be worth that to north but will take less to stay at the tigers
Rioli will need 500 - This is the pisser , He will get between $250-$300 max 2nd year player


Maybe do a saints list to see what your estimation is of StKilda
 

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LOl thats really Funny but i will go through it.

Cotchin@ 800 - Correct
Prestia @ 750 - Correct
Caddy @ 500 - Doubt it very much, Vickery dollars so probably 50k-100k inflation on your behalf
Nank @ 450 - Reserves grade player who crossed from sydney for #72 on a 3 year deal ( would be lucky to be on $350k)
Houli @ 400 - Grigg & Houli salary was reported at $330k
Ivan @ 400 - On a 1 year deal was going to retire last year and just stayed on as emergency and would be lucky to be on half that

Astbury will want 500 - This may be correct at the end of the year
Martin is worth 1.4m - He would be worth that to north but will take less to stay at the tigers
Rioli will need 500 - This is the pisser , He will get between $250-$300 max 2nd year player


Maybe do a saints list to see what your estimation is of StKilda
You think you are paying Townsend and Miles the same as Houli?

I personally think this is complete horseshit.
 

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the yarren thing doesnt work that way. you payed him out the 100k a year lower pay, but the entire contract goes on the salary cap, as he was still on the "books" so to speak.
NO ......... Thats not what Balme said , What you mentioned is only for FA players that cross and would have to be included

Unless you know better than Balme
 

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You think you are paying Townsend and Miles the same as Houli?

I personally think this is complete horseshit.
Townsend was traded to Richmond and had an offer from GWS we had to match - Hasnt been a good deal for us
Miles had a great year and was re signed after the initial contract
 

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You think you are paying Townsend and Miles the same as Houli?

I personally think this is complete horseshit.
Very interested in your opinion Pep , Can you do a list on what you believe your club is paying some of the StKilda players ?

Seeing as you think that its horseshit perhaps we can gauge from what comparisons you would think that
Tim Membrey
Saint Nick
Stevens
Armitage ( remember we gave him a big offer he knocked back 2 years ago)
McCartin ? My God if Rioli needs 500k , How about #1 pic McCartin ?
Bruce
Longer - Must of cost abit to get him to come
Hickey
Billings
Gresham
Savage was on very good coin to come
Ross
Carlisle - Wow that was a big pay packet from memmory

Really like to see your estimations to compare how they sit against your estimations on the Richmond player contracts
 

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LOl thats really Funny but i will go through it..........
The difference between your summation and peps is only around $200K

I fail to see what is so "LOL" about that.

Astbury will want 500 - This may be correct at the end of the year
Yep.

Martin is worth 1.4m - He would be worth that to north but will take less to stay at the tigers
Remains to be seen and he has no problem going to the market.

Rioli will need 500 - This is the pisser , He will get between $250-$300 max 2nd year player
Offer him this and he will be playing elsewhere next season.

Still trying to figure out what the "LOL" is all about.

I figure that's why you deflected to StKildas list.
 

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The difference between your summation and peps is only around $200K

I fail to see what is so "LOL" about that.



Yep.



Remains to be seen and he has no problem going to the market.



Offer him this and he will be playing elsewhere next season.

Still trying to figure out what the "LOL" is all about.

I figure that's why you deflected to StKildas list.
I didnt deflect at all , He was a StKilda supporter giving estimations on Richmond players salary,I just wanted to get a read on what he thought the Saints players were worth to judge credability.

Would you pay Jy Simpkin $500k after 2 years - Really ?
 

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I didnt deflect at all , He was a StKilda supporter giving estimations on Richmond players salary,I just wanted to get a read on what he thought the Saints players were worth to judge credability.

Would you pay Jy Simpkin $500k after 2 years - Really ?
yes i would pay and suspect he would be on 500k after 2 yrs. hes going to be a much better player then rioli
 

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I didnt deflect at all , He was a StKilda supporter giving estimations on Richmond players salary,I just wanted to get a read on what he thought the Saints players were worth to judge credability.
L.O.L.

Would you pay Jy Simpkin $500k after 2 years - Really ?
He won't be far off it.
 

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yes i would pay and suspect he would be on 500k after 2 yrs. hes going to be a much better player then rioli
Could possibly be , Who knows he's played 6 games but i would rather pass that type of judgment after 50 games to see

Shaun Atley was looking like he would be the next Judd but after 7 years and 150 games he is now being called the next Dudd on your board
But if ypou pay 2nd year players 500k my god what do you pay Mason Wood
 

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Could possibly be , Who knows he's played 6 games but i would rather pass that type of judgment after 50 games to see

Shaun Atley was looking like he would be the next Judd but after 7 years and 150 games he is now being called the next Dudd on your board
But if ypou pay 2nd year players 500k my god what do you pay Mason Wood

I think he signed for 4 x $450K
 

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Cool love to see your opinion on what the north players are getting ............. If you have time

I'm not certain, but I know we have a couple of mill & change spare, so it's not a great issue for us.

We also have Swallow, Waite, Thomas, Thompson and Gibson hanging up the boots over the next 2 years so there's the best part of 2-2.5 mill available to keep who we need.
 

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I think he signed for 4 x $450K
Jy simpkin after 2 years is worth $500k but mason wood signs 4
I'm not certain, but I know we have a couple of mill & change spare, so it's not a great issue for us.
:thumbsu: Thats probably correct and thats why i also believe we are in a similar position with whats happened last few years

* Treloar funds never got used
*Yarran Funds ($800k) off the books
* Tyrone was on good coin
* Deledio same same


2017 retirements & delistings
Maric,Morris,Hunt,Elton,Lennon,Batchelor,Hampson,Townsend - A few that are getting reasonable coin , There would be 2 mill + just there
 

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Could possibly be , Who knows he's played 6 games but i would rather pass that type of judgment after 50 games to see

Shaun Atley was looking like he would be the next Judd but after 7 years and 150 games he is now being called the next Dudd on your board
But if ypou pay 2nd year players 500k my god what do you pay Mason Wood
Shaun Atley never showed the glimpses of what jy has. Neither rioli or atley were touted as potential number 1s like jy before his injury either. You must not be very confident in rioli like we are with jy
 

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Jy simpkin after 2 years is worth $500k but mason wood signs 4
I reckon Jy would be looking at 2 x $400K

Mason took a good contract when there was interest at other clubs. You need to remember that he has also missed a shitload of footy due to injury. It's a good and fair contract at this point.

:thumbsu: Thats probably correct and thats why i also believe we are in a similar position with whats happened last few years

* Treloar funds never got used
How is this relevant?

*Yarran Funds ($800k) off the books
Yet you shortchange Martin with a $730K p.a. offer? This is either incorrect or the Richmond footy department are batshit crazy.

* Tyrone was on good coin
* Deledio same same
How much is saved here?


2017 retirements & delistings
Maric,Morris,Hunt,Elton,Lennon,Batchelor,Hampson,Townsend - A few that are getting reasonable coin , There would be 2 mill + just there
Now I know you are talking complete shit. **** off and stop wasting peoples time here.
 

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Shaun Atley never showed the glimpses of what jy has. Neither rioli or atley were touted as potential number 1s like jy before his injury either. You must not be very confident in rioli like we are with jy
Im extremely confident with Rioli and am over the moon he is at Richmond, But the initial excitement doesnt mean alot if the junior potential doesnt translate to AFL football.

Tambling,Murphy,Gibbs,Kreuzer,Swallow the list is endless , 6 game sample size is way too early and i dont believe even Jacob Weitering,Josh Kelly,Whitfield,Patton or Patrick cripps would have been on $500k in their 3rd year of Football

Dustin Martin was shopped around and was clearly the best junior in a very very long time, He shopped around and came back with tail between legs to sign for $450k.

$500k for a 3rd year player (unless clearly a judd) is extremely high. just my opinion but i would say $300-$350 would be Rioli's range next 3 years
 

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NO ......... Thats not what Balme said , What you mentioned is only for FA players that cross and would have to be included

Unless you know better than Balme
sorry you are correct. you guys didnt sack him, and he hasnt retired. he is technically on your list still, for 100k a year.

if he had been terminated or just not turned up, the whole contract would be included in the cap (technically you renegotiated his current contract)
 

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Jy simpkin after 2 years is worth $500k but mason wood signs 4

:thumbsu: Thats probably correct and thats why i also believe we are in a similar position with whats happened last few years

* Treloar funds never got used
* Yarran Funds ($800k) off the books
* Tyrone was on good coin
* Deledio same same

2017 retirements & delistings
Maric, Morris, Hunt, Elton, Lennon, Batchelor, Hampson, Townsend - A few that are getting reasonable coin. There would be 2 mill + just there
You've made this point a few times now and, upon a reasonable assumption you know a bit more about your list than we do, it seems sound. I think individuals here are picking up on random 'arguable points' for the sake of it, or because of some extreme anti-Richmond sentiments.

It is interesting to see you've also got a whole of cap space available, as it seems does St Kilda, so what was looking like decided advantage when we first found out we have a 'war chest' isn't looking like it's as much the case as many of us would have supposed. If that's the case then, as you say, you'd be well placed, beyond mere loyalty, to match a bid for Dusty if he decided to take an offer from us. Like others, I'll just stay in denial about that for a little while longer though, thanks. :p

(One point I will make though, is that if our offer is a 'mere' $200K p.a. over yours, are you sure his loyalty extends to $1M less over five years?)
 
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