Play Nice Dusty Incident #chopstickgate [$5k suspended fine - Club Statement Page 229 of Thread]

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The victim in all this seems like a confidence, intelligent, thoughtful human being. She thinks a 12 month ban would be too harsh. Truth be told, when footy is this guys only structure that helps him be a valuable member of the community, then why take him away from it? Honestly, it should be about helping Dustin improve and the victim to feel good again. The best way? Don't ban him at all, it will hurt his life more. Give him a paycut and initiate volunteer expeditions for him on a consistent basis for the rest of his career. 4 hours a week helping at a soup kitchen or visiting children at the children's hospital is very humbling. Some people are genuinely awful, their punishments are illogical and won't support this kid. He needs support. Don't know about you guys but I've always been taught never to give up on people.
I also fear that giving a long ban to Dusty will ultimately lead to him going out of control. I just want a penalty that fits the crime, commensurate to society. You could even factor in a slight 'celebrity' penalty in this too. I just don't want a way, way over the top ban/sacking that doesn't really help the cause or both parties.
 

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This approach stopped decades ago, primarily because women were treated so poorly for late reporting that the vast majority of domestic assaults and rapes went unreported

As we have seen with several recent cases, if a witness is credible the police are now willing to support a case even if the victim reports the assault years after the incident
It's how the system works, whether or not you agree with it is a different story.

And a rape charge v a death threat charge are two completely different things, a rape majority of times can be proven via dna samples, and other such methods that would be involved in proving whether or not a rape has taken place.

A death threat, is your word vs the accused, if you can not prove and show to the courts sufficient evidence that at that very time your very life was in danger, then the charge will get thrown out.

Any lawyer worth a grain of salt will have it thrown out.

Police were never called at the time
The lady never took measures to remove herself from the situation
Lady in question days after still never reported the incident to the police
Instead she goes to the media
As far as to the facts that we know, she hasn't gone for an intervention order

With the facts that we know so far to date, and from what we know, when you put all the facts together, it seems she never really felt her life was in danger at any point.
 

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You may want to look at some of the recent assault cases in the media, a lot were reported years after the initial incident and were successful

The issue is often there is no physical evidence, so it comes down to the strength of the defendants testimony
I'm specifically talking about a death threat charge, if you can not prove at that very moment your life was in danger, and you took no measures to either prevent or remove yourself from the situation, nor did you try to contact the authorities, its very clear cut how much danger you thought you were in.

I've been through this several times, as a bouncer of 10 years I've been through a lot of hairy stuff, a death threat is something that you have to prove that at the very moment the words coming out of that persons mouth, that you felt such in danger of your life, that you either A: take action or B: remove yourself from said situation.
 

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Plenty of other clubs supporters that are shooting their mouths off need to remember the saying about glass houses, I'm also not happy that the AFL are looking at this when all the above they have ignored, where is the consistency?
I'm not sure what it is. I know Dustin Martin isn't very liked among a lot of opposition fans and the AFL are probably wary of his off-field behaviour. If they're going to make an example out of someone it's going to be him. The question I have is would this story be getting the publicity it's getting if it was a low profile player from a club like Brisbane and if the incident occurred in some random location on the other side of the world?

Would the headline "Daniel McStay drunkenly threatens to stab lady with chopsticks in Dublin restaurant" make the front page of the Herald Sun, or furthermore, any newspaper? And would he receive the same punishment and condemnation as Dusty?
 

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Anyway you look at it, there's no way of defending this. Dusty needs to be punished severely. Hopefully it'll be the making of him, cause the dickhead needs to grow up.

And if he is suspended long term, it could be the thing that galvanises the rest of the group and spurs them on this year.
 

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This is Dusty's first assault offence. You don't think he deserves another chance? It happens in society eg good behaviour bond for first offence.
Should cop his whack but lets not get silly.
Yeah fair enough, I'm not advocating him being booted out of the AFL. Sounds like he'll get a decent punishment anyway
Was more trying to say that just because the AFL might miss out on talented players is no reason to not punish / suspend / draft people that 'make mistakes'
 

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[QUOTE="theflea, post: 42268009, member: 96345"]I also fear that giving a long ban to Dusty will ultimately lead to him going out of control. I just want a penalty that fits the crime, commensurate to society. You could even factor in a slight 'celebrity' penalty in this too. I just don't want a way, way over the top ban/sacking that doesn't really help the cause or both parties.[/QUOTE]

And, I think Richmond is aware that if they ban Martin for a year, then the chances of him returning back to football is very low. And, we'll hear more drunken stories of Martin in the media. AFL is pretty much his life and career.

Thankfully KB is not running the club, and I trust Gale would make the right decision
 

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Interesting the alledged victim is a producer for CH7
Can we stop with the alleged victim stuff, it's been accepted she is a victim some of the facts may have been blown up by the media but fact is there was an incident and it actually happened
 

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we got the best damn lawyer as out president surely we can figure this out for the best possible result.

KB can't be shooting his mouth of about our players with him pretending to be an ambassador for our club. He does not represent the view of the Richmond members and fan base
 

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She knew who he was.
She knew the kill threat was just piss talk because once again she knows who he is.
She actually did the sensible thing and waited the next day and complain to the club,because she knew it was just Dusty and piss talk.
Thats where it should have ended and the club deal with it internally ,Until her Employer got wind of it.
We now know how its turned out.
This is where I don't like the way it has turned out. It was between the 2 parties ( and stay that way regardless of the penalties), and typically 3 parties got involved and the shit hits the fan.
 

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Police were never called at the time
The lady never took measures to remove herself from the situation
Lady in question days after still never reported the incident to the police
Instead she goes to the media
As far as to the facts that we know, she hasn't gone for an intervention order

With the facts that we know so far to date, and from what we know, when you put all the facts together, it seems she never really felt her life was in danger at any point.
This is the bit that worries me as she is part of the media and is a senior producer for CH7
She knew what she was doing, it's in her blood.
 
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ummm...yeah...ok dude...he didnt do anything bad...he apologized for doing nothing bad, the CEO is delusional when he states he is incredibly disappointed in Dustin, because he did nothing bad, KB is completely f****ed because he is calling for a year suspension, and I am on my soap box because of my tipping that he has done something bad...dont get me wrong I understand your stance which is basically zero...like what you suggest means SFA..investigate what? like if he did threaten? if he was blind drunk when he did? if he is to be exonerated because we dont deem it serious that he threatened someone in a public place, or what he threatened to do? like where is the confusion for you dude? I mean do you require a slow motion replay ?
Since when has anyone actually said good on dusty?
 

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But your suggesting that Dusty,s Dad will somehow retaliate because of her going to the cops.You think going public will make it ok in Dustys old mans eyes?(Not saying he would do anything either way)
I'm not suggesting it. It was suggested in the article today, and some media discussions yesterday
 

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AFL are involved because of the Ch7 component. Not very happy.
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This is where I don't like the way it has turned out. It was between the 2 parties ( and stay that way regardless of the penalties), and typically 3 parties got involved and the shit hits the fan.
Yep,And yet the very same channel has Carey and Mathews working for them.Hyprocrites
 
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