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Re: Beta Dynasty - DISCUSSION

I think the problem began because no one mentioned that Juddy's time was up until 8 o clock tonight (or last night) when it had in fact been up for a long time.

Is that the basis of it Galactic?
no, at the time the posts were very clearly showing juddy was on the clock in red, what time his deadline expired, and which player he was getting. then when his deadline happened, i edited out that post and added it to the next post which showed juddy receiving bruce in black font, and that galactic was on the clock, his deadline at 9pm and the player he would get (gabriel) all in red font.

then when he missed his deadline, i edited that post out, and added it to the next post showing the next person was on the clock and juddy and galactic in black font with their deadlined picks.

it only looks confusing now because all this editing occured since, but at the time it was very clear.

larkis original message was "times up?" at galactic as well. and southern made a post in discussion saying wow karma bit juddy and there were two deadline picks in a row.

then galactic entered complained and a whole bunch of editing and moving posts to the discussion thread occured.
 

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I would have left southern if I was given gabriel and your no one to talk after the qb fiasco
You would have left because you didnt turn up on time? Then you've got no integrity.

And actually, im in a perfect position to talk.

I had a rule changed on me mid draft, yet was told to 'suck it up' and 'take one for the team'.

You dont want to follow the rules, yet we're having the rules discarded for your benefit.
 

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Since theres no consequence, id like to announce that ill be taking as long as i please to make my next pick. The longer the better.

Edit: This means Juddys gotten out of jail twice. Thats ####ed up.
the choice is galactic's to make really. take the fork to the left or to the right. each one leads to a different outcome. up to him still.

but....i will say that if i or galactic choose to give him clements, then NO ONE can ever complain if someone misses their deadline, strolls in late, but demands they get given another player instead EVEN IF the next person has made a pick.
 

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Since theres no consequence, id like to announce that ill be taking as long as i please to make my next pick. The longer the better.

Edit: This means Juddys gotten out of jail twice. Thats ####ed up.
Thats not the point ST... Its that a few of us believe that there was ZERO harm in letting him pick if shifty hadn't made him. If he had, I would have been quite happy to force Gabriel on Galactic. But he wasn't here.

I am always available to help make a pick for you if you are having trouble finding out who you want next :p :D
 

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and there are future problems galactic you should think about here. if you bend the rules here, as others did before, and others do after you....then this Beta league is gonna have many problems in the future DURING the actual season when all these other issues pop up about fair play.....like trades, and whatnot, and people always expecting/asking the rules to be bent. it will mess up the integrity of the comp.
 

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Thats not the point ST... Its that a few of us believe that there was ZERO harm in letting him pick if shifty hadn't made him. If he had, I would have been quite happy to force Gabriel on Galactic. But he wasn't here.

I am always available to help make a pick for you if you are having trouble finding out who you want next :p :D
No, that is infact the entire point.

Either we respect the rules or we dont.

We specifically said that there would be no more deadline dodging, and the very next round, suddenly we're folding on that? The entire league now has no credibility as far as rule enforcing goes.

How can i respect a league which cant even guarantee that the rules it lays out are going to be followed?
 

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I would have left southern if I was given gabriel and your no one to talk after the qb fiasco
i have to agree with ST here. that's not the right attitude to have. a few of you now have threatened to quit over stuff. it's like emotional blackmail.

also, i mean, you couldve picked up clements in your pick coming up only a few more picks away. you could cut gabriel at the end of the draft and pick up any number of far better WRs from waivers and it would be no big deal in the end.

to quit over something like that is not the right attitude. think about OTHERS not yourselves. why is this so hard? it's a comp, among friends, trying to have fun and enjoy a legit comp that upholds rules. upholding rules is important otherwise things spiral out of control.

id really advise you and everyone else to stop threatening to quit or actually quit over deadlined picks. if you miss a deadline next week adn it's your fault, what will you do then? why would it be different then and not now?
 

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Im happy to let anyone have the pick they want in any circumstance like this one.DID EVERYONE GET THAT?:rolleyes:If shifty made his pick I would have lived with it! He didn't, I want my pick. Same goes for anyone else if you show up and the person b4 your picks time is up, make it and move on. If not they can make their pick as was stated early in this draft. I or sleepy had the right to make a picks for people being commish but I have gone easer on people as the draft has progressed.Larkis never had the right to choose for me or anyone else other than his pick

ST Im responding to your argument, I.m done arguing with people over something that should be enjoyable
 

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No, that is infact the entire point.

Either we respect the rules or we dont.

We specifically said that there would be no more deadline dodging, and the very next round, suddenly we're folding on that? The entire league now has no credibility as far as rule enforcing goes.

How can i respect a league which cant even guarantee that the rules it lays out are going to be followed?
Because its such a farcical rule in specific situations IMO. The point of the RULE was to keep the draft moving along. Even if Galactic was to miss his pick and be so strictly enforced, we would still be waiting for shifty to make his pick. Either way its just my opinion...

Its a bloody ff game anyway, its not a serious sporting league. You are meant to have fun. Its not like these changes, quite minor or early as they may be, should impede on your ability to enjoy the game.

Not that I am blaming you gg, but this whole situation was pretty much born out of the huge rush you felt we needed... These guys should easily have this done by the end of July, and that most likely would have been the sace with a longer time limit... We can't look back on hypotheticals though, so how about we all move past this. And continue waiting for shifty to make his pick...
 

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i have to agree with ST here. that's not the right attitude to have. a few of you now have threatened to quit over stuff. it's like emotional blackmail.

also, i mean, you couldve picked up clements in your pick coming up only a few more picks away. you could cut gabriel at the end of the draft and pick up any number of far better WRs from waivers and it would be no big deal in the end.

to quit over something like that is not the right attitude. think about OTHERS not yourselves. why is this so hard? it's a comp, among friends, trying to have fun and enjoy a legit comp that upholds rules. upholding rules is important otherwise things spiral out of control.

id really advise you and everyone else to stop threatening to quit or actually quit over deadlined picks. if you miss a deadline next week adn it's your fault, what will you do then? why would it be different then and not now?
Now, see, thats a bit funny because its also a shot at me.

I resigned over an issue which had no wrong doing on my behalf, not to avoid the consequences of my actions.

Id also like to make it clear, i wouldnt have stayed if the rule making process hadnt been made entirely clear and transparent for all leagues. This change was clear, it was transparent, and I was actually one of the only people to object.

Taking that into account, the rule now must be respected. Its a must, or the entire system has no real credibility.
 

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Why must the idea of credibility be huge when, in all honesty, the changes have been either a) minor or b) appropriately early enough to avoid a huge change?

These rule changes aren't to screw one another, and any that are I would strongly object to, ie suddenly changing a rule mid season in an attempt to leverage ones own team. But these haven't been like that.

As far as I am concerned, as long as that doesn't happen and people enjoy themselves, the league has more than enough credibility.
 

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Because its such a farcical rule in specific situations IMO. The point of the RULE was to keep the draft moving along. Even if Galactic was to miss his pick and be so strictly enforced, we would still be waiting for shifty to make his pick. Either way its just my opinion...

Its a bloody ff game anyway, its not a serious sporting league. You are meant to have fun. Its not like these changes, quite minor or early as they may be, should impede on your ability to enjoy the game.

Not that I am blaming you gg, but this whole situation was pretty much born out of the huge rush you felt we needed... These guys should easily have this done by the end of July, and that most likely would have been the sace with a longer time limit... We can't look back on hypotheticals though, so how about we all move past this. And continue waiting for shifty to make his pick...
If there were objections, then the moral thing to do was voice them at the time it was introduced... Not after you've infringed. I wonder if Galactic would be fighting the good fight, had it not been him, and had been me who was the one copping it?

As far as the 'its only a game' thing goes... If you want to take that logic, then point it at the guy who wants to change the rules, surely it doesnt matter who he got? its all just giggles and smiles. (#### that, you can play for the hippie flower arrangements... i play for keeps bitches :p).
 

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No, Zarko, it's not borne out of me, it's not my fault that people miss their deadlines....especially when THEY themselves agreed to BRING IN a deadline. I didnt invent it, they did. then they started to have problems people breaking the deadline, and reversing them. so what do they do??? at what point is it ok to bend rules for someone who missed their deadline but not ok to bend the rules for someone else who missed their deadline?

it's not my doing that caused all this. i have no blame in any of this.
 

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If there were objections, then the moral thing to do was voice them at the time it was introduced... Not after you've infringed. I wonder if Galactic would be fighting the good fight, had it not been him, and had been me who was the one copping it?

As far as the 'its only a game' thing goes... If you want to take that logic, then point it at the guy who wants to change the rules, surely it doesnt matter who he got? its all just giggles and smiles. (#### that, you can play for the hippie flower arrangements... i play for keeps bitches :p).
THe 'its only a game comment' was a reference to the use of the word credibility, which I comment on in my previous post :p
 

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Why must the idea of credibility be huge when, in all honesty, the changes have been either a) minor or b) appropriately early enough to avoid a huge change?

These rule changes aren't to screw one another, and any that are I would strongly object to, ie suddenly changing a rule mid season in an attempt to leverage ones own team. But these haven't been like that.

As far as I am concerned, as long as that doesn't happen and people enjoy themselves, the league has more than enough credibility.
Strange... where were you for the QB fiasco?

The idea of credibility is important to give everyone a fair and equal chance at winning the league. The best way to do that, is to have clear cut rules, which exist for everyone, and are adhered to.

Changing back and forth based on who has managed to be the most manipulative after infringing is no way to run anything. Its offensive to everyone who has adhered to the rules, to see exceptions made when we were promised they wouldnt be.
 

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The 10 hr limit came in because they deemed 10 hrs a pick is roughly 14 a week. and that would somehow relate to them getting all the picks done in time before end of august. that if the deadline wasnt brought in then there wouldnt be enough picks made in a week.
 

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The thing is... we need the deadline.

I know ive personally had to mail lists before to avoid being caught, and its made the league thrive, especially in comparison to the BFFFL's.

Without it, wed be struggling along getting nothing done.
 

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Strange... where were you for the QB fiasco?

The idea of credibility is important to give everyone a fair and equal chance at winning the league. The best way to do that, is to have clear cut rules, which exist for everyone, and are adhered to.

Changing back and forth based on who has managed to be the most manipulative after infringing is no way to run anything. Its offensive to everyone who has adhered to the rules, to see exceptions made when we were promised they wouldnt be.
Mid season, not EARLY draft - and the QB rule was NOT an attempt to screw you or JD over... You in particular weren't going to be effected much IMO as we discussed...
 

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the QB thing was a major problem that needed fixing asap. wasnt gonna be easy after drafting had already started and something one doesnt normally do. but there was a flaw in the comp itself that needed fixing. not a flaw in trying to prevent someone winning. it wasnt directed at JD at all, i mean. It was because so many people didnt realize or get informed properly by me. still bad we changed it, but we had to.

this deadline thing is not a strucutural flaw as such, but just a process put in place to ensure enough picks get done in time if for any reason there's a slowing down of picks made over the month ahead.

it wasnt meant to be strict originally, but when people started bending the rules each time they got lumped with somoene they didnt want, then it leads to where we are today......"if so-and-so complained enough and got his pick reversed then i should too"
 

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The thing is... we need the deadline.

I know ive personally had to mail lists before to avoid being caught, and its made the league thrive, especially in comparison to the BFFFL's.

Without it, wed be struggling along getting nothing done.
I know you guys have to get through this, but in my opinion, sometimes common sense must apply. I'm not against a time limit, but if it hasn't fulfilled its purpose (ie moving the draft forward) when the next person hasn't or can't pick yet, then I don't see an issue with the previous picker confirming their pick...

Either way this is just a circular argument, with one side telling their views, the other telling theirs, rinse and repeat, no point in really going on...

In the end I have no 'judgment' perse over this league, I was simply voicing my opinions and its up to Galactic/sleepy/gg to decide whats to happen next.
 

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One moe time......................

Im happy to let anyone have the pick they want in any circumstance like this one
.DID EVERYONE GET THAT?:rolleyes:If shifty made his pick I would have lived with it! He didn't, I want my pick. Same goes for anyone else if you show up and the person b4 your picks time is up, make it and move on. If not they can make their pick as was stated early in this draft. I or sleepy had the right to make a picks for people being commish but I have gone easer on people as the draft has progressed.Larkis never had the right to choose for me or anyone else other than his pick.Shifty and sleepy and myself were the only people who could make my selection.The 10 hour limit was to get our league moving after a slow start.After the reasons given I think its fair to allow me my pick.Same rules apply to all others here
 

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the QB thing was a major problem that needed fixing asap. wasnt gonna be easy after drafting had already started and something one doesnt normally do. but there was a flaw in the comp itself that needed fixing. not a flaw in trying to prevent someone winning. it wasnt directed at JD at all, i mean. It was because so many people didnt realize or get informed properly by me. still bad we changed it, but we had to.

this deadline thing is not a strucutural flaw as such, but just a process put in place to ensure enough picks get done in time if for any reason there's a slowing down of picks made over the month ahead.

it wasnt meant to be strict originally, but when people started bending the rules each time they got lumped with somoene they didnt want, then it leads to where we are today......"if so-and-so complained enough and got his pick reversed then i should too"
There have been 2 cases so far where people have objected - both times it has been when the next person hasn't been online to pick or hasn't picked... Its a unique situation. Other than that, no 'outbursts'. Peoples have sat in the couch they made when other picks have gone past. Just as you say each trade should be looked at individually, shouldn't each situation be similarly looked at individually? Changing a previous pick when no other picks have been made after DOES NOT diminish the credibility of the draft. Changing a previous pick when other picks have been made, on the other hand, does. But the two situations are vastly different, and the reactions to each situation has been similarly different. juddy wasn't complaining most recently because a pick was already locked in after. He knew that.
 

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I know you guys have to get through this, but in my opinion, sometimes common sense must apply. I'm not against a time limit, but if it hasn't fulfilled its purpose (ie moving the draft forward) when the next person hasn't or can't pick yet, then I don't see an issue with the previous picker confirming their pick...

Either way this is just a circular argument, with one side telling their views, the other telling theirs, rinse and repeat, no point in really going on...

In the end I have no 'judgment' perse over this league, I was simply voicing my opinions and its up to Galactic/sleepy/gg to decide whats to happen next.
Our point of disagreement centers around this...

You dont think theres a consequence to overriding it, and i think theres a clear consequence to the leagues credibility.

Im already having trouble respecting the league after the QB rule change, but this is a farce.

Even worse is the folding when threatened. Maybe its just me, but i hate people trying to bitch me out. If we're going to start rule changing on the basis of people threatening to quit, that could have a drastic effect.

Whats next, someone didnt read the scoring specs, doesnt like it based on what theyve drafted, and threatens to quit, so wed better change them?
 

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Our point of disagreement centers around this...

You dont think theres a consequence to overriding it, and i think theres a clear consequence to the leagues credibility.

Im already having trouble respecting the league after the QB rule change, but this is a farce.

Even worse is the folding when threatened. Maybe its just me, but i hate people trying to bitch me out. If we're going to start rule changing on the basis of people threatening to quit, that could have a drastic effect.

Whats next, someone didnt read the scoring specs, doesnt like it based on what theyve drafted, and threatens to quit, so wed better change them?
The rules were NEVER changed southern!They have been this way since I took over. Commish or next persons make pick after deadline!
 
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