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List Mgmt. Eagles must re-sign Naitanui now - and they have
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Well played.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/nic-nat-or-jack-watts.1063960/
I guess some people just don't watch footy.
I guess some people just don't watch footy.
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Not worth the money he will receive. Disappointing.
Hope he can get back to his best but he has OP and look what happened to judd.
Hope he can get back to his best but he has OP and look what happened to judd.
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Hopefully the contract is based more on 2013-14 than 2012. Fearful that he wont be worth the 800k a year that was reported.
Glad he has signed on again though.
Glad he has signed on again though.
Dark Sharks
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Overpaid, which is disappointing.
We can only hope now. Hope that he can break even with that amount. Hope that we don't rue the chance we had of trading him for a gun midfielder.
Be lovely if he could come out firing this week. And actually sustain it for more then 2 quarters.
We can only hope now. Hope that he can break even with that amount. Hope that we don't rue the chance we had of trading him for a gun midfielder.
Be lovely if he could come out firing this week. And actually sustain it for more then 2 quarters.
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Nic is marketing tool,for the club
Alone it would sell 10,000 jumpers a year with him in the team ...an extra few thousands thru the gates and extra foxtel subscribers
He's 23 ...he will learn the game
We saw in 2011-2012 what he can do
I also think this ...when we build a decent midfield around him then we will be pretty good.
Imagine of nic nat had been tapping to Judd Kerr cousins Braun Embley and co
As our midfield builds nic nags influence will be noticed more
I think he's worth the money
Alone it would sell 10,000 jumpers a year with him in the team ...an extra few thousands thru the gates and extra foxtel subscribers
He's 23 ...he will learn the game
We saw in 2011-2012 what he can do
I also think this ...when we build a decent midfield around him then we will be pretty good.
Imagine of nic nat had been tapping to Judd Kerr cousins Braun Embley and co
As our midfield builds nic nags influence will be noticed more
I think he's worth the money
In a salary cap market, what someone gets paid tends to be more to due with the state of the cap at any given moment. Paying someone overs is sometimes just part of normal operation.
Dark Sharks
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Unfortunately for us, being a "Marketing Tool" doesn't exactly help us with success on the field. Such as winning games.
He's played 96 games of AFL now, he played it all through high school and juniors as well... I think we need to start realizing that this argument is becoming more and more invalid.
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I agree it's not about learning the game. He has pretty good game sense most of the time. Right now it's his body which is letting him down. He's slowly improved over this season so far (which to be fair is better than when he was slowly getting more run down over last season), so I'm reserving judgment until year's end.
I think Dave's point regarding the contract amount is valid, he's worth lots of money to the club so keeping him is worth spending money on. And apparently the AFL is paying a significant sum of the contract too.
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The marketability of naitanui is relevant in terms of how much of his contract is made of additional services amounts
Unfortunately we don't even know what nicnats salary is let alone how it is broken down between football and non football components nor what conditions are attached
That said this contract covers his prime and he enters it with 100 games to his name so he needs to bring his output up to match his value
Unfortunately we don't even know what nicnats salary is let alone how it is broken down between football and non football components nor what conditions are attached
That said this contract covers his prime and he enters it with 100 games to his name so he needs to bring his output up to match his value
Naitanui2Shuey
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5 years at the club until he's 29, avoiding the threat of free agency and GWS. Good stuff West Coast.
Not sure why some people are 'disappointed' about how much he's earning considering his contract is most probably front loaded so it shouldn't affect other signings in the near distant future. Anyway if he is reportedly earning $800,000-900,000 a year, about $500,000-600,000 will be included in the salary cap, the rest will be payed by the AFL, so we're hardly overpaying.
I doubt he'll ever really 'learn the game'. This kind of criticism stems from him not getting into space and getting uncontested marks and possessions which I believe is just stupid. He's not like other ruckman but is unique in everything he does. This is what makes him so good. He's never going to get massive uncontested possession numbers and I don't really want him to TBH. He can't kick/doesn't have the confidence in his kicking to be useful in space. When ever he's in space he just looks to handball on every occasion. I'd much rather him get 12-15 possessions a game, averaging 11 or 12 contested possessions, bursting out of congestion or on the bottom of packs feeding out to our midfielders. This way he directly impacts games and especially our midfield which is an obvious weakness. Not to mention his primary role as a ruckman is winning effective hitouts to our midfielders, which we all know how good he is at that.
Where his improvement will come from is not from uncontested marks and uncontested possessions, but improving his consistency and magnitude of doing what he does best, and that is winning hitouts, tackling, pressuring, winning contested ball, kicking goals, contested marking and the occasional burst from a pack. Whether his groins will allow him to do this is another thing, but if he can reach peak fitness, paying him the money we are is a risk worth taking.
BTW I'm intrigued at how he will play when Cox retires. I assume he'll play 60-70% in the ruck, sharing 30% with Lycett or Sinclair. His possession numbers will most likely improve seeing as most of his current possessions are attained in the CBD rather than around the ground. The other major question is his fitness and whether he will be able to carry the workload of being the major ruckman. I suspect this is where we'll see the reality of Naitanui's ability and where the doubts surrounding his groins could be answered.
Not sure why some people are 'disappointed' about how much he's earning considering his contract is most probably front loaded so it shouldn't affect other signings in the near distant future. Anyway if he is reportedly earning $800,000-900,000 a year, about $500,000-600,000 will be included in the salary cap, the rest will be payed by the AFL, so we're hardly overpaying.
I doubt he'll ever really 'learn the game'. This kind of criticism stems from him not getting into space and getting uncontested marks and possessions which I believe is just stupid. He's not like other ruckman but is unique in everything he does. This is what makes him so good. He's never going to get massive uncontested possession numbers and I don't really want him to TBH. He can't kick/doesn't have the confidence in his kicking to be useful in space. When ever he's in space he just looks to handball on every occasion. I'd much rather him get 12-15 possessions a game, averaging 11 or 12 contested possessions, bursting out of congestion or on the bottom of packs feeding out to our midfielders. This way he directly impacts games and especially our midfield which is an obvious weakness. Not to mention his primary role as a ruckman is winning effective hitouts to our midfielders, which we all know how good he is at that.
Where his improvement will come from is not from uncontested marks and uncontested possessions, but improving his consistency and magnitude of doing what he does best, and that is winning hitouts, tackling, pressuring, winning contested ball, kicking goals, contested marking and the occasional burst from a pack. Whether his groins will allow him to do this is another thing, but if he can reach peak fitness, paying him the money we are is a risk worth taking.
BTW I'm intrigued at how he will play when Cox retires. I assume he'll play 60-70% in the ruck, sharing 30% with Lycett or Sinclair. His possession numbers will most likely improve seeing as most of his current possessions are attained in the CBD rather than around the ground. The other major question is his fitness and whether he will be able to carry the workload of being the major ruckman. I suspect this is where we'll see the reality of Naitanui's ability and where the doubts surrounding his groins could be answered.
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I think that's a pretty good summary Naitanui2Shuey. They only thing I would add is his ability to create play when handpassing in traffic.
Matera92
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800k a year is a steal once he gets his body right. Will never be a 25 touches a game ruckman, he doesn't need to be to have an impact.
Amazed with how easy Google is to use that people still don't understand how OP works or how it takes time to recover.
Amazed with how easy Google is to use that people still don't understand how OP works or how it takes time to recover.
Was watching one of the footy shows - i think it was 360. Just after going on about nic and not getting possessions and marks around the ground (yawn again) the next topic turned to Mumford being back and it was brought up about how him being back is much needed however he lacked possessions and such. Robbo then goes off Ohhhhhh but its not about that, the way he bullocks around the packs and smashes into opponents, he's just a presence. WTF what were you jsut saying 5 minutes ago.
I can only assume most of the criticism stems from expectations being high as the footy world has seen what he is capable of and want more. He is not just good for us, in full flight he is good for all fans of aussie rules. I love seeing the best players at their best every week - except the week they play west coast of course
I can only assume most of the criticism stems from expectations being high as the footy world has seen what he is capable of and want more. He is not just good for us, in full flight he is good for all fans of aussie rules. I love seeing the best players at their best every week - except the week they play west coast of course
Well observed.
It is not Naitanui's fault that fans expect the sun to shine out of his backside.
Expectations are not only unreasonably high but sometimes plain unreasonable.
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I agree
But it might attract other players to come or even stay
Sure he needs to play
Look we saw what he can do in 2011-2012 ....we all know our midfield is average ...if it improves this will increase nic nats influence
If we win more possessions nic nat can "cheat" which is what good players do now
Hawks players know they will most of the contests ...so players fan offensively at contests .....
Right now after the tap nic nat is going defensive to stop other teams
Like I said he will improve as the team improves
Footy is a team game...we forget that sometimes ..
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Look I understand the context but seriously the media manager needs to think more about the headlines leaving the club.
Look its not hard:
"5 of the best"
"Home is where the heart is"
"Contract signed, NN fired up"
etc
18 months on, and our chances of a premiership this year rest very much at the feet (and deft hands) of Naitanui.
Absolutely he is worth every penny, the club knew what he was capable of and paid the appropriate money to keep him here. Many people say he's getting more as he's just a marketing tool, well there's no better marketing that a picture of a team surrounding the premiership cup.
Well played West Coast for keeping him locked at our club, he could return the investment in just 18months!
Absolutely he is worth every penny, the club knew what he was capable of and paid the appropriate money to keep him here. Many people say he's getting more as he's just a marketing tool, well there's no better marketing that a picture of a team surrounding the premiership cup.
Well played West Coast for keeping him locked at our club, he could return the investment in just 18months!
He is our best and most important player.
He has such a profound impact for our team when he's around the ball.
He has such a profound impact for our team when he's around the ball.
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If the reports were correct of a $500k salary plus $300k marketing allowance - that is the biggest bargain of all time... OF ALL TIME #kanyerepresents
I don't know, I still wish we'd drafted Daniel Rich. Naitanui is too short to be a ruckman and he doesn't understand the game well enough.
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