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TradeDraft said:
Then that not much Confidence in Ed then
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I don’t think that’s it — more about the difficulty of coming on late in the game, picking up the tempo, finding the right positions and then having an impact. And the coach has got the risk that he makes the change in a way, or at a time, that it doesn’t work.
Ed will get more and better chances than he got last night.
 
60 Yards Out said:
I don’t think that’s it — more about the difficulty of coming on late in the game, picking up the tempo, finding the right positions and then having an impact. And the coach has got the risk that he makes the change in a way, or at a time, that it doesn’t work.
Ed will get more and better chances than he got last night.
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+ it wasn’t just about Elliott off Allan on.

They have very different roles in the team, so there would have been a shuffling of positions.
 
76woodenspooners said:
I’d imagine it’s very difficult to come on and immediately adjust to the pace of the game.

But I agree, your point still stands.
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Not about last night, but he's a centre square midfielder who struggled on the wing in the reserves last year and hasn't shown he can play forward. He might scrape in as our 10th best centre square midfielder:

Nick
Jordy
Sidey
Pendles
Titch
Perryman
Long
Crisp
Sullivan

Allan/Macrae

Lippa, Houston and Josh would be ahead of him too if we used them there.

He's not being hard done by. He needs injuries to get games. Any minutes he gets are a bonus being given to him based on potential.
 
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76woodenspooners said:
Fly mentioned in his presser that the Swans always come back at the end (Eg: our game last year which we lost), so he didn’t feel comfortable making the sub until we were 6 goals up with 5 mins left.

The sub isn’t only about who you bring on, it’s also about who you take off for them.
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I trust the judgement of the coaches over any outside static.

If he is a better option than another player he will get his chance.

I would rather an impatient young player and a flag than the any other option.
 
sr36 said:
Not about last night, but he's a centre square midfielder who struggled on the wing in the reserves last year and hasn't shown he can play forward. He might scrape in as our 10th best centre square midfielder:

Nick
Jordy
Sidey
Pendles
Titch
Perryman
Long
Crisp
Sullivan

Allan/Macrae

Lippa is probably 10th though

He's not being hard done by. He needs injuries to get games. Any minutes he gets are a bonus being given to him based on potential.
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Unfortunately atm it’s more hope than skill that has people wanting to see Allan play.

Simply because he’s a first round pick many want him played, in the hope he’s good.

As it stands I agree with you. He’s a long way off.

Thankfully Long has come on in spades.

Allan need a big season in the VFL and to work on his contest work. He’s not good at the coal face, and he doesn’t use his speed etc to burst out. He’s very much a work in progress
 
stormskye said:
Unfortunately atm it’s more hope than skill that has people wanting to see Allan play.

Simply because he’s a first round pick many want him played, in the hope he’s good.

As it stands I agree with you. He’s a long way off.

Thankfully Long has come on in spades.

Allan need a big season in the VFL and to work on his contest work. He’s not good at the coal face, and he doesn’t use his speed etc to burst out. He’s very much a work in progress
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He's not along way off, he played a to good for this level game against the Swans in the VFL and was picked last night because he's been playing good VFL footy. His problem is he's stuck in a queue atm, apart from that he's ready to go. If anyone is thinking he's a long way off they have nfi.
 
Carlthetruth said:
He's not along way off, he played a to good for this level game against the Swans in the VFL and was picked last night because he's been playing good VFL footy. His problem is he's stuck in a queue atm, apart from that he's ready to go. If anyone is thinking he's a long way off they have nfi.
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I don’t think he’s ready to play midfield at afl level yet. He’s not strong enough in the contest, doesn’t utilise his speed enough yet, and his disposal hasn’t been great.

I’m not saying he won’t be ready. Simply that he’s not now. He has a lot to work on and nothing that can’t be improved upon
 
stormskye said:
I don’t think he’s ready to play midfield at afl level yet. He’s not strong enough in the contest, doesn’t utilise his speed enough yet, and his disposal hasn’t been great.

I’m not saying he won’t be ready. Simply that he’s not now. He has a lot to work on and nothing that can’t be improved upon
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He's ready to play midfield, it's why he was picked, as a midfielder. If you were to define a long way off that's Harry D not Ed. Anyone thinking he's a long way off might as well add they've never seen him play a fullgame, same thing, even Fly has said he's been playing ABOVE the level.
 
stormskye said:
Unfortunately atm it’s more hope than skill that has people wanting to see Allan play.

Simply because he’s a first round pick many want him played, in the hope he’s good.

As it stands I agree with you. He’s a long way off.

Thankfully Long has come on in spades.

Allan need a big season in the VFL and to work on his contest work. He’s not good at the coal face, and he doesn’t use his speed etc to burst out. He’s very much a work in progress
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Yep, this. We all want our kids pushing through into the seniors. It’s what we need to happen if we’re going to have sustained longer term success. Last night wasn’t it but Allan’s time will come, onus then on him to take it.
 
Carlthetruth said:
He's ready to play midfield, it's why he was picked, as a midfielder. If you were to define a long way off that's Harry D not Ed. Anyone thinking he's a long way off might as well add they've never seen him play a fullgame, same thing, even Fly has said he's been playing ABOVE the level.
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It's not an issue at all that he hasn't cracked into our midfield yet. Not many third year players would.

its an issue that with his attributes he has looked lost in other roles at VFL level. It suggests game sense issues. I think we'll be waiting a while.

Fly talks up the kids and describes a good game at VFL level as above the level. What's the level? VFL average? - yeah he's above that as is Finn. Lachie Sullivan has been well above that for years
 
Carlthetruth said:
He's ready to play midfield, it's why he was picked, as a midfielder. If you were to define a long way off that's Harry D not Ed. Anyone thinking he's a long way off might as well add they've never seen him play a fullgame, same thing, even Fly has said he's been playing ABOVE the level.
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How do you know he was picked as a midfielder?. Probably more wing and midfield if we got a few injuries. This is going to hurt but he's not playing midfield anytime soon. He won't play against Brisbane this week. The only change will be JDG in if he's fit and Sullivan will get the vest
 
Carlthetruth said:
He's ready to play midfield, it's why he was picked, as a midfielder. If you were to define a long way off that's Harry D not Ed. Anyone thinking he's a long way off might as well add they've never seen him play a fullgame, same thing, even Fly has said he's been playing ABOVE the level.
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Plenty of vfl footballers play above the level but not good enough for AFL. Hell, even Callum brown dominated the vfl.

Go to any club and there’s no shortage of kids dominating vfl but not yet good enough.

I’m not saying he’s not going to make it. But there’s just a sustained push for him to play which I don’t agree with. He’s not ready yet
 

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manicpie said:
How do you know he was picked as a midfielder?. Probably more wing and midfield if we got a few injuries. This is going to hurt but he's not playing midfield anytime soon. He won't play against Brisbane this week. The only change will be JDG in if he's fit and Sullivan will get the vest
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The only mid he's ahead of in the queue is Macrae and that's no guarantee to remain. And if one of the VFL back flankers puts his hand up he could drop back further from the best 22.

I doubt this is going to be his year and if it is it probably won't be our year as it'll mean injuries.
 
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cityslick1 said:
Felt the same, sadly. Fresh as and couldn’t get into it. Doesn’t seem to read the play well at all, and doesn’t use his assets. Couldn’t help thinking of the line “he goes where the ball isn’t…”

Long on the other hand must’ve been knackered by then, but kept demanding possession, opening up play and pushing the ball forward..
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I disagree - he was on a hiding to nothing, coming on when the game was already won, and no time to prove anything in particular.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Unfair post really. With only 15 minutes exposure he was completely up against it to impress and shouldn’t be judged one way or the other.
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I didn’t judge him one way or the other. He just did nothing when he came on. Contrast that to Ned when he was sub.

Just making a factual observation and I pointed out that I wasn’t judging him as a talent.

He needs to find some fire though and I’m sure he will.
 
JuniorB said:
I disagree - he was on a hiding to nothing, coming on when the game was already won, and no time to prove anything in particular.
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It's the life of a fringe player in most sports. Young soccer players regularly come on with 10 minutes to go and have to do the right things or they're not getting 10 minutes next game. Allan has played more minutes this year than Mason Cox played in a 3 year college basketball career.
 
sr36 said:
Not about last night, but he's a centre square midfielder who struggled on the wing in the reserves last year and hasn't shown he can play forward. He might scrape in as our 10th best centre square midfielder:

Nick
Jordy
Sidey
Pendles
Titch
Perryman
Long
Crisp
Sullivan

Allan/Macrae

Lippa, Houston and Josh would be ahead of him too if we used them there.

He's not being hard done by. He needs injuries to get games. Any minutes he gets are a bonus being given to him based on potential.
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Sometimes getting games into kids at the start of the season is important.

I think if we leave Allan in the vfl/sub vest it’s a mistake
 
Ed needs to show a bit more intensity (or engagement as they say now) because he seems to float.
 

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Kappa said:
Sometimes getting games into kids at the start of the season is important. Reef was played over Frampton not because he’s the better defender right now, but because he has a higher potential.

I think if we leave Allan in the vfl/sub vest it’s a mistake
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Does it work though? Does playing kids who aren't ready make them better players. When we've done it like in 2021, it's just seems to mean that those we eventually delist have played more games.

Cats seem to develop players better than most. They don't play kids just to get games into them. Meanwhile the teams that do seem to have a low hit rate from better draft picks
 
Kirby said:
I didn’t judge him one way or the other. He just did nothing when he came on. Contrast that to Ned when he was sub.

Just making a factual observation and I pointed out that I wasn’t judging him as a talent.

He needs to find some fire though and I’m sure he will.
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Your “ factual observation” based off 15 minutes of junk time was by definition judging him.

You said it… so just own it.
 

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