Player Watch Ed Allan

[The Phantom]

Nah. I don't agree. He's too flakey for me. Sometimes he goes hard at the contest, other times he chooses not to. He doesn't seem to want to get involved enough.

He’s not so much flakey, as much as he stands off the physical contest, shepherding the opposition ball carrier with gangly arms stretched wide instead of trying to put body on body. And he has the body.

He needs to take some Ned Long pills, not Ryan Lonies.

 

[jathanas]

Nah. I don't agree. He's too flakey for me. Sometimes he goes hard at the contest, other times he chooses not to. He doesn't seem to want to get involved enough.

You're viewing his game through a different lens.

Did you watch the game on TV or at the ground?

Ed was solid, especially in the first 1/2 when the side was having a crap day.

We create these narratives that a player is "flakey", and no offence, but typically they're just wrong.

 

[Bianconeri]

Ed is an outside player. Naturally that will mean he’ll be keeping his width and covering outlets rather than going gun blazing at the contest.

 

[Vankri]

I liked many aspects of his game yesterday, think the coaches will happy with the support he provided to both defenders and forwards playing on a wing.

My only issue, and unfortunately it’s a big one, is that his kicking is a weak point in his game. His missed snap stands out but general play kicking is the same story.

In today’s game I’m not sure you can do without foot skills on a wing (not in our gameplan at least) so feels like without improvement there we are back to square one with what his actual AFL position can be.

 

[granniewolf]

You're viewing his game through a different lens.

Did you watch the game on TV or at the ground?

Ed was solid, especially in the first 1/2 when the side was having a crap day.

We create these narratives that a player is "flakey", and no offence, but typically they're just wrong.

Agree, Ed was very good early in the game. I thought it was his best game yet.

 

[rand corp]

Started really well last night, does get caught watching the game at times, but is developing and improving. He looks a young player for the future, who is getting there.

 

[jimmy35]

Getting there. It’s a slow burn but that happens with players. Showing some good signs.
It’s a bit like Ned’s progress, slow burn and then went bang early in the year.

 

[gouki88]

Nah. I don't agree. He's too flakey for me. Sometimes he goes hard at the contest, other times he chooses not to. He doesn't seem to want to get involved enough.

Yeah, I’m sure it’s a matter of want

 

[Kes1984]

I want to see him developed as a defender. He drops back into defence a lot and I tend to notice him when he does this, that he does his best work there.

 

[gouki88]

I want to see him developed as a defender. He drops back into defence a lot and I tend to notice him when he does this, that he does his best work there.

I think defensive wingman is for now perfect. Don’t want him away from the midfield personally

 

[Pendles!]

I liked many aspects of his game yesterday, think the coaches will happy with the support he provided to both defenders and forwards playing on a wing.

My only issue, and unfortunately it’s a big one, is that his kicking is a weak point in his game. His missed snap stands out but general play kicking is the same story.

In today’s game I’m not sure you can do without foot skills on a wing (not in our gameplan at least) so feels like without improvement there we are back to square one with what his actual AFL position can be.

Any examples? I thought his kicking was pretty reliable, albeit not super damaging.

 

[Vankri]

Any examples? I thought his kicking was pretty reliable, albeit not super damaging.

I don’t have time stamps without a rewatch sorry. His snap was poor kicking technique IMO. Also remember him doing helicopter high kicks on the boundary this week and last when I reckon any of other wingers or PT winger would have looked for a target.

I guess my perspective is that there’s only two positions in modern football where you can have poor foot skills and that’s inside mid and ruck because you contribute in other ways.

It’s a stark contrast to Lipinski, Sidey, Josh, Houston, Bobby, Elliott and Crisp who play there or have done cameos.

Reminds me a bit of Tom Phillips towards the end and I’m not a fan of bringing that role back. Even just lowering the eyes and improving decision making would help Ed but I want to see him execute some smart kicks or pin points if he’s going to secure a spot in that position.

In reverse I see him with skills and attributes to contribute as an inside mid instead but he would need to work on his focus, courage and willingness to go to contest. Not sure which one between improving that or foot skills is the easiest.

FWIW I’m not calling for him to be dropped, just for us to make a call on where we see him long term and focusing his development on that.

 

[manicpie]

I don’t have time stamps without a rewatch sorry. His snap was poor kicking technique IMO. Also remember him doing helicopter high kicks on the boundary this week and last when I reckon any of other wingers or PT winger would have looked for a target.

I guess my perspective is that there’s only two positions in modern football where you can have poor foot skills and that’s inside mid and ruck because you contribute in other ways.

It’s a stark contrast to Lipinski, Sidey, Josh, Houston, Bobby, Elliott and Crisp who play there or have done cameos.

Reminds me a bit of Tom Phillips towards the end and I’m not a fan of bringing that role back. Even just lowering the eyes and improving decision making would help Es but I want to see him execute some smart kicks or pin points if he’s going to secure a spot in that position.

In reverse I see him with skills and attributes to contribute as an inside mid instead but he would need to work on his focus, courage and willingness to go to contest. Not sure which if improving that or foot skills is the easiest.

FWIW I’m not calling for him to be dropped, just for us to make a call on where we see him long term and focusing his development on that.

On the last paragraph, he's playing right where we want him and that's as a wingman. He showed some good inside work last night as well so he's far from a finished product

 

[JuniorB]

On the last paragraph, he's playing right where we want him and that's as a wingman. He showed some good inside work last night as well so he's far from a finished product

I think Ed's best work will end up being inside.
He's got the size and speed to burst from stoppage.
Currently, his speed and endurance are great attributes on the wing.
It's simply a case of more work on building his strength, and starting to feel comfortable and confident at the level.
We can see his progress in the last few games.
He's only just turned 21 too.

 

[Granit1962]

I liked many aspects of his game yesterday, think the coaches will happy with the support he provided to both defenders and forwards playing on a wing.

My only issue, and unfortunately it’s a big one, is that his kicking is a weak point in his game. His missed snap stands out but general play kicking is the same story.

In today’s game I’m not sure you can do without foot skills on a wing (not in our gameplan at least) so feels like without improvement there we are back to square one with what his actual AFL position can be.

Agree except I think you are underrating his kicking, in that it is not particularly bad, or even below aqverage. I just looked it up and he has 67% efficiency. If he gets his kicking for goal right, then this adds a substantial additional bow to his game.

 

[Soups]

Need to keep getting games into him, he’s improving each week imo. He's probably not going to be the big bull inside mid that everyone on here is wishing he’ll be and end up as a running wingman.

There were a couple of moments I liked last night where he dropped back into hole and used his long arms to stop the ball. Doesn’t seem like much but those are the type of acts that fly will rate. If he nailed that snap for goal he would have had a very good game.

 

[Black_White]

Not convinced.
Clock is ticking.

 

[ClaytonM]

Not convinced.
Clock is ticking.

Yes because your opinion has such sway at the Pies.

 

[Black_White]

Yes because your opinion has such sway at the Pies.

As much as yours I hear.

 

[Vankri]

Agree except I think you are underrating his kicking, in that it is not particularly bad, or even below aqverage. I just looked it up and he has 67% efficiency. If he gets his kicking for goal right, then this adds a substantial additional bow to his game.

In not a big fan of DE% as a stat especially for kicking efficiency. It will actually favour players bombing long to contests. I think it’s more important to look at decision making and ability to execute as a whole. It’s qualitative so no issue if you think I’m off as I don’t claim to have spent hours looking at that in particular but the rushed long kicks on the boundary stood out to me last couple of weeks, especially considering how we normally play.

His handballing looks good though. So again maybe more of an inside mid mix of attributes than a winger.

 

[Pendles!]

I don’t have time stamps without a rewatch sorry. His snap was poor kicking technique IMO. Also remember him doing helicopter high kicks on the boundary this week and last when I reckon any of other wingers or PT winger would have looked for a target.

I guess my perspective is that there’s only two positions in modern football where you can have poor foot skills and that’s inside mid and ruck because you contribute in other ways.

It’s a stark contrast to Lipinski, Sidey, Josh, Houston, Bobby, Elliott and Crisp who play there or have done cameos.

Reminds me a bit of Tom Phillips towards the end and I’m not a fan of bringing that role back. Even just lowering the eyes and improving decision making would help Ed but I want to see him execute some smart kicks or pin points if he’s going to secure a spot in that position.

In reverse I see him with skills and attributes to contribute as an inside mid instead but he would need to work on his focus, courage and willingness to go to contest. Not sure which one between improving that or foot skills is the easiest.

FWIW I’m not calling for him to be dropped, just for us to make a call on where we see him long term and focusing his development on that.

That’s a fair assessment. I do reckon he moves more inside as he develops.

 

[gouki88]

Not convinced.
Clock is ticking.

Except your opinion has no value here. The coaches are convinced, hence he keeps playing

 

[jmac70]

Not convinced.
Clock is ticking.

Which clock?

 

[901023]

He’s not so much flakey, as much as he stands off the physical contest, shepherding the opposition ball carrier with gangly arms stretched wide instead of trying to put body on body. And he has the body.

He needs to take some Ned Long pills, not Ryan Lonies.

Has some things to work on:

• reading of the play (knowing when to attack/defend and backing yourself)
• indecisiveness (seems to enjoy just hanging around spectating - but not offering much either offensively or defensively)
• composure (often makes unforced fumbling/decision making errors)
• sloppy disposal (loopy, slow handballs that don't hit the target)
• using his speed and endurance to advantage (don't see it often enough).

I want to see more desperation in his game to win the ball offensively and applying resolute defensive pressure. I just don't see him making it as I don't think he is competitive enough. Doesn't have his father's will to compete/win.

 

[Granit1962]

In not a big fan of DE% as a stat especially for kicking efficiency. It will actually favour players bombing long to contests. I think it’s more important to look at decision making and ability to execute as a whole. It’s qualitative so no issue if you think I’m off as I don’t claim to have spent hours looking at that in particular but the rushed long kicks on the boundary stood out to me last couple of weeks, especially considering how we normally play.

His handballing looks good though. So again maybe more of an inside mid mix of attributes than a winger.

I only looked, because from the eye I thought he was not that bad, rather inconsistent. I thought those kicks to the boundary was more that he was trying to be a bit precise and chewing off to much. I’m not saying he is a great kick, but something to work on and a long way from being a major concern.