Ed Curnow

[Sin City]

My post was more about Steveo making it sound like the VFL was littered with Ed Curnows and you can get players better than McLean from the VFL at any time which is completely untrue. Curnow was a great get from the VFL, we're bloody lucky to get him so cheap.

 

[steveo898]

My post was more about Steveo making it sound like the VFL was littered with Ed Curnows and you can get players better than McLean from the VFL at any time which is completely untrue. Curnow was a great get from the VFL, we're bloody lucky to get him so cheap.

There are a lot of players who couldn't cut the grade to get drafted to the AFL that play in those leagues. But with more age, maturity, bodies filling out they blossom into talented AFL material. Clubs are slowly starting to put these leagues under the magnify glass to seek out the next Barlow, Podsiadly, Curnow etc.

Those leagues do have the talent in them, the trick is finding it.

 

[Sin City]

There are a lot of players who couldn't cut the grade to get drafted to the AFL that play in those leagues. But with more age, maturity, bodies filling out they blossom into talented AFL material. Clubs are slowly starting to put these leagues under the magnify glass to seek out the next Barlow, Podsiadly, Curnow etc.

Those leagues do have the talent in them, the trick is finding it.

There are a few with the talent for AFL, that in no way means there is many as you suggested or any at all that fit the bill of McLean as you said.

 

[40yearBLUE]

In mining they have what is called tailings. Its the little nuggets of gold, or diamonds that slip through the mining process and end up in water run off or holding dams in some cases even out at sea where the river that runs through the mine ends up. Over the years some river mouths have enough tailings that they are worth mining in their own right. But only now that the price of gold or diamonds is so high that it makes the higher extraction cost because of the lower yield worth the effort. But most of the time mining for tailings instead of finding new seams is a mighty gamble for little or no return. Every now and then someone finds a big nugget and everyone yells GOLD!! New tailings mines pop up everywhere and investors slowly go broke while the BHP's of the world just keep going about their regular mining business, getting richer.

Just sayin.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

I have no issues with recruiting Brock to us, I just think we payed well and truly overs with pick 11. I did at the time and I stand by that.

 

[Sublime]

My post was more about Steveo making it sound like the VFL was littered with Ed Curnows and you can get players better than McLean from the VFL at any time which is completely untrue. Curnow was a great get from the VFL, we're bloody lucky to get him so cheap.

Curnow has been so so fantastic so far, but i'm still not getting carried away with him. I want to see sustained good play over at least a season before i can deem him a success. We've all seen players bob up, look fantastic, then disappear again. Not saying this will happen, but i just can't bring myself to sing it his praises from the rooftop quite yet.

 

[Sin City]

Curnow has been so so fantastic so far, but i'm still not getting carried away with him. I want to see sustained good play over at least a season before i can deem him a success. We've all seen players bob up, look fantastic, then disappear again. Not saying this will happen, but i just can't bring myself to sing it his praises from the rooftop quite yet.

Fair enough but I reckon he'll win you over sooner rather than later.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Hard to call the recruiting team amateurs for making the McLean trade when they made possibly a premiership defining trade in the same week.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Curnow has been so so fantastic so far, but i'm still not getting carried away with him. I want to see sustained good play over at least a season before i can deem him a success. We've all seen players bob up, look fantastic, then disappear again. Not saying this will happen, but i just can't bring myself to sing it his praises from the rooftop quite yet.

Agreed. Has looked like an inspired choice so far but it's very, very early.

 

[gbatman]

thank god we have Ed! Him and Robbo have been great. We struggle in this area. If we lose one of these guys we will fall away quickly. It would be great to have brock up and going as well but it's not looking all that good.

Mclean, Curnow and Robinson can play in the one side easily.

That just means Murphy, Gibbs and Juddy can play a more outside role which in my opinion would be great for Murph and Gibbs as they are better and more damaging in this role and we all know how damaging Judd is in space.

Plus it means we can rotate heavily through the center square and really worry opposition structure and keep our guys fresh.

It also means Murphy, Judd and Gibbs will go forward more which is great.

Guys like Carrazzo might be in trouble as it will probably push Murphy into his role.

Any one who goes to watch an AFL game will see that the center position is a fully contested physical position so you need players who specialise at winning contested ball and being physical like Mclean, Judd, Curnow, Robinson etc.

most of the run and carry comes from the wing and flanks. Let that be Gibbs, Murphy, Scotland and Simpson etc.

 

[LemmingMaster]

And by under your nose do you mean 12 months later?

We could not have known that McLean wasnt going to get his body right (I dont buy this injury prone rubbish, none of the injuries are in any way related and there is nothing yet discovered in dna that points to injury susceptibility, it is sheer bad luck, nothing more, there may be a tad of poor management but that is not entirely McLean's fault is it).

Yes Dr, please explain something like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteogenesis_imperfecta

 

[Sin City]

Guys like Carrazzo might be in trouble as it will probably push Murphy into his role.

Do you seriously believe Murphy will become a tagger? Or do you not understand what Carrazzo's role is?

 

[steveo898]

There are a few with the talent for AFL, that in no way means there is many as you suggested or any at all that fit the bill of McLean as you said.

McLean is a in and under player, that as i said doesn't have much talent besides grunt work (he might of once, but has been M.I.A for to long & I believe has fallen away from the speed and level of the AFL). There are quite a few players that can cover his position, The standards aren't very high to match, A in and under player that lacks pace and kicking skill. So when i say fit the bill of McLean, I don't mean fit the bill of a superstar AFL player, more so a average in and under purely there to assist the likes of Judd & co. Just look at Ellard, he also is another who came from VFL to that can match this position.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Yes Dr, please explain something like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteogenesis_imperfecta

You are having a larf arnt you? Show me in that passage where it points to this disorder accounting for soft tissue tears, cartilaginous wear and tear, damage caused due to being unlucky enough to be bumped in the wrong place at the wrong time etc.

Do another wikipedia search to reveal that in 2007 Brocks season was interupted by Hamstring injuries, yep Oi would definately account for that
In 2008 he injured ligaments in his Ankle, chalk up another to that ol' Oi
He fell to the hip bump from Rider early last year (I hear his Oi was really giving him hell in the moments before the bump) then finally a knee op forced him out for the rest of it.

And again, not a single one of these injuries is related to the others, all just bad luck. In fact has he ever suffered a broken bone, that Oi causes? I dont think a single one of his injuries has been broken bones.

Now point to that genetic defect that is causing all of this and you will have an adherent to your argument and I will agree we should never have recruited him given his preponderance for injury.

But until then, excuse me if I dont laugh too much in your face.

Man we have some mental giants in this place and people wonder why I have such disdain for some of its posters. Do try harder. Please.

Postcript, just to dispel the myth that Mclean is "injury prone" he managed 19 games for Melb in 2009 and since being recruited, he debuted in Rd 11 2004 and played 9 of the remaining 11 games that year, the following years he played 20, 18, 14, 14, 19 games. Yep I can see how people would think that is a particularly poor result from a potential recruit. The mind just boggles at the tiny focus people here have. Someone says injury prone and every other sheep runs with that theory without doing the scantest thinking or research for themselves. Prolly the way Wayne Hughes works too, prolly heard someone on BF say Brock was a gun and thought, lets get him and didnt do any further research. Ya think?

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

Should of got Ball instead of Mclean.. but still i believe Mclean will come good...
take nothing away from Curnow but, loved how he stuck in his knee in Daisies ribs.. love the mungrel aspect

 

[Sin City]

McLean is a in and under player, that as i said doesn't have much talent besides grunt work (he might of once, but has been M.I.A for to long & I believe has fallen away from the speed and level of the AFL). There are quite a few players that can cover his position, The standards aren't very high to match, A in and under player that lacks pace and kicking skill. So when i say fit the bill of McLean, I don't mean fit the bill of a superstar AFL player, more so a average in and under purely there to assist the likes of Judd & co. Just look at Ellard, he also is another who came from VFL to that can match this position.

OK, you may as well have just said you don't have any idea of what an inside midfielder does. It requires just as much talent as any position on the ground and possibly more footy smarts and awareness than any position.

You have no idea if he has fallen out of touch with AFL football or not as his last two uninjured games before he hurt his hip were very good.

Yes, he lacks pace but there is nothing wrong with his kicking, it's another lame BigFooty myth. When he is fit he is much more than an average in and under player, if you can't see that go and actually watch some of his games. Players like Ellard that you think are adequate replacements have never played a game as good as the first two McLean played for Carlton, let alone what he did at Melbourne.

 

[Blue since 72]

OK, you may as well have just said you don't have any idea of what an inside midfielder does. It requires just as much talent as any position on the ground and possibly more footy smarts and awareness than any position.

You have no idea if he has fallen out of touch with AFL football or not as his last two uninjured games before he hurt his hip were very good.

Yes, he lacks pace but there is nothing wrong with his kicking, it's another lame BigFooty myth. When he is fit he is much more than an average in and under player, if you can't see that go and actually watch some of his games. Players like Ellard that you think are adequate replacements have never played a game as good as the first two McLean played for Carlton, let alone what he did at Melbourne.

Yep. Even the 'lack of pace' in that role is beat up way too much. Ball couldn't run away from his own fart but I'll bet Mick would rather have him in the team than not. Black's another one who has no pace and Jobe Watson isn't a speedster either.

The ability to read the fall of the ball at a stoppage, particularly in an even ruck contest is almost a gift and not too many players can do it well consistently.

 

[steveo898]

OK, you may as well have just said you don't have any idea of what an inside midfielder does. It requires just as much talent as any position on the ground and possibly more footy smarts and awareness than any position.

You have no idea if he has fallen out of touch with AFL football or not as his last two uninjured games before he hurt his hip were very good.

Yes, he lacks pace but there is nothing wrong with his kicking, it's another lame BigFooty myth. When he is fit he is much more than an average in and under player, if you can't see that go and actually watch some of his games. Players like Ellard that you think are adequate replacements have never played a game as good as the first two McLean played for Carlton, let alone what he did at Melbourne.

What makes you think you can judge my knowledge of the game? you have no idea who i am or the people i am friends and relatives of, But because i have an opinion(as do many) that McLean is not a "star" of the game you seem to believe your view on this topic is 100% correct and if someone has an opposing opinion then they are oblivious to the game.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Should of got Ball instead of Mclean.. but still i believe Mclean will come good...
take nothing away from Curnow but, loved how he stuck in his knee in Daisies ribs.. love the mungrel aspect

Is this another case of selective memory? Do you not recall Ball saying he did not wish to play for any other team, he would not even talk to Essendon. But we somehow should have disabused him of that opinion and have him join us.

And as it is against the rules to nominate a club, what you are saying is that we should have taken Ball against his will, on a massive one year contract so that he could nominate for the draft again last year?

Really?

Wanna rethink that or is your mind set on that opinion?

 

[Silvagnis]

Should of got Ball instead of Mclean.

Not sure he wanted to move to Carlton.

Sydney are an attractive club for players looking to turn around their careers.

 

[40yearBLUE]

What makes you think you can judge my knowledge of the game? you have no idea who i am or the people i am friends and relatives of, But because i have an opinion(as do many) that McLean is not a "star" of the game you seem to believe your view on this topic is 100% correct and if someone has an opposing opinion then they are oblivious to the game.

Is that you BluePride?

 

[Salaryman]

Should of got Ball instead of Mclean.. but still i believe Mclean will come good...
take nothing away from Curnow but, loved how he stuck in his knee in Daisies ribs.. love the mungrel aspect

Using Jedi mind tricks?

 

[AlecDuncan]

It's great that we've gone from the likes of Bentick, Hadley & no-one else to Curnow, Robbo, Ellard & McLean in such a short time. Depth is good.

I always saw Robbo as an inside type and I'm rapt to see him flourish there.

 

[Salaryman]

Sydney are an attractive club for players looking to turn around their careers.

Might be doing the same with Everitt on last weeks evidence

 

[40yearBLUE]

It's great that we've gone from the likes of Bentick, Hadley & no-one else to Curnow, Robbo, Ellard & McLean in such a short time. Depth is good.

I always saw Robbo as an inside type and I'm rapt to see him flourish there.

Well Hadley was another attempt by the club to fill the much needed and as yet vacant in and under role (oh thats right, Curnow is the answer, I really hope he is but would be happy if Mclean got his body right and settled into the role). He too (Hadley) lost so much time to injury. In and under is a difficult and body jarring role. All the more reason why we dont want Judd doing it.