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Background info on camp "facilitators".
Regarding the professional credibility of the setup:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...roup-that-ran-crows-camp-20180328-p4z6qt.html
Regarding co-founder Amon Woulfe's credibility:
#76 - Amon Woulfe - Out Of Your Mind - The Chief Life
Relevant video from Woulfe's youtube channel:
Regarding co-founder Derek Leddie's psychology credentials:
Speakers | Australian HR Institute
Regarding the reputation of the 'Mankind Project' in the past (the Crows camp was titled the Mankind project, I think I did previously find articles linking Woulfe to the US Mankind Project but can't seem to find them now. His fixation on testicles fits with the Mankind Project's genital obsession, as does the accounts in below article with the Crows camp essentially being a toned down version):
Houston Press | The Leading Independent News Source in Houston, Texas
On Mankind Project philosophy:
ManKind Project
Interestingly using wayback machine you can see an interesting edit to this PR statement, the older version reads:
Re; nudity the same page has a damage control PR statement:
The older version of this page also has more direct damage control along these lines which has since been removed:
Regarding Collective Minds professional reputation in the present:
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/mind-t...afl-camp/fb84f22e-95bc-40f0-ab11-f656d998b780
Seems like you view humanity as a commodity. Sad.Do you think if something traumatic happened in your life the players will come to your defence and feel empathetic towards you?
Do you think if something traumatic happened in your life the players will come to your defence and feel empathetic towards you?
I'm not quite sure you have any understanding of what empathy actually is. It's not something that is dependent on others feeling it for youDo you think if something traumatic happened in your life the players will come to your defence and feel empathetic towards you?
Do you think if something traumatic happened in your life the players will come to your defence and feel empathetic towards you?
Given how regularly players from allDo you think if something traumatic happened in your life the players will come to your defence and feel empathetic towards you?
Given how regularly players from all
clubs support a variety of charity and advocacy groups, how often you see them beside hospital beds of terminally ill kids and participating in make-a-wish type events I think the answer is emphatically “yes”.
Regards
S. Pete
How did Australia's culture get like this?Sorry to invoke Godwins Law but the time has come.
Crows Board, AFL, AFLPA. WorkSafe SA, Adelaide media all now saying we didn't know?
Reminds me of the silence surrounding certain other notorious camps in history.
Jog on troll.You'll be fine, you won't lose a wink of sleep, in fact, this whole thing won't have any impact on your life.
I'd be more focused on watching Geelong win a flag.
How did Australia's culture get like this?
1994 I went to a college at Sydney University well known for hazing. It was Lord of the Flies type stuff and a couple of students denfenestrated from the fourth floor.
Later, I think around the 2000's that same college hit the headlines for putting a girl in hospital.
We seem to be devolving. Where has our heart, our compassion gone?
You rang?How did Australia's culture get like this?
1994 I went to a college at Sydney University well known for hazing. It was Lord of the Flies type stuff and a couple of students denfenestrated from the fourth floor.
Later, I think around the 2000's that same college hit the headlines for putting a girl in hospital.
We seem to be devolving. Where has our heart, our compassion gone?
Personally I take a more optimistic view, I think it's more that it used to be far worse where stuff like this wouldn't even make it to journalists. Everyone just bottled it up entirely. Now a lights being shone on stuff like this, so there's some pushback, but overall it's progress rather than regression (another factor is that with social media you can see the unfiltered opinions of the "great unwashed", whereas in the past it was easy for the media to put a high sheen gloss over demographics and present a domesticated, focus group tested, representation of their opinions).How did Australia's culture get like this?
1994 I went to a college at Sydney University well known for hazing. It was Lord of the Flies type stuff and a couple of students denfenestrated from the fourth floor.
Later, I think around the 2000's that same college hit the headlines for putting a girl in hospital.
We seem to be devolving. Where has our heart, our compassion gone?
This was handled by the entire AFL community in the most pathetic way possible.
It's clear that for some players, the camp was rewarding, weird, but they got things out of it.
BUT for others it wasn't good. The fact that the two loudest voices were Jenkins and Betts probably doesn't help the approach taken. Jenkins is viewed as a opinionated twat so I can assume his complaints were dismissed. Eddie's comments I suspect was dealt with by a "oh sh*t there is some cultural issues here" by the Crows and the AFL. Basically they didn't know what to do, so they did nothing.
Terrible handling. There is no way the Crows, AFL, AFLPA didn't know, they didn't want to know was the reality.
The collective "let's not let this happen again and sweep it under the carpet"
Man, I hope so. It makes sense, but it just seems like people are collateral for the movers and shakers these days.Personally I take a more optimistic view, I think it's more that it used to be far worse where stuff like this wouldn't even make it to journalists. Everyone just bottled it up entirely. Now a lights being shone on stuff like this, so there's some pushback, but overall it's progress rather than regression (another factor is that with social media you can see the unfiltered opinions of the "great unwashed", whereas in the past it was easy for the media to put a high sheen gloss over demographics and present a domesticated, focus group tested, representation of their opinions).
I don't think the world is worse now, we just know more about what's going on in it.
Jenkins complaints were likely dismissed in part because of how poorly he played in the 2017 GF.This was handled by the entire AFL community in the most pathetic way possible.
It's clear that for some players, the camp was rewarding, weird, but they got things out of it.
BUT for others it wasn't good. The fact that the two loudest voices were Jenkins and Betts probably doesn't help the approach taken. Jenkins is viewed as a opinionated twat so I can assume his complaints were dismissed. Eddie's comments I suspect was dealt with by a "oh sh*t there is some cultural issues here" by the Crows and the AFL. Basically they didn't know what to do, so they did nothing.
Terrible handling. There is no way the Crows, AFL, AFLPA didn't know, they didn't want to know was the reality.
The collective "let's not let this happen again and sweep it under the carpet"
I’m not sure you’re following this, CM are those people, there was no psychologist.Remember the "power stance" the Crows adopted at the time too. Someone was appointed to the club to build mental toughness. Wouldn't be hard to isolate who that person is.
Yes Pyke and Riccuito are stained by this camp, but the appointment of that particular psychologist needs more scrutiny.
I thought Nick Reiwoldt in the post game spotlight last night was great. He is calling a spade a spade and his comments about the AFLPA produced an awkward silence from the rest of the panel.
It gave me the feeling they know a lot more about the strongarm tactics the executive use to keep the players association under heel.
People should be interested in that side of the equation too - how much influence has the executive had on salary negotiations and how much representation do these young kids really have.
I keep going back to the fact that most of them are just kids with mature bodies, willing to sell their spleens and put their bodies on the line for one chance at an AFL game.
The scales are tipped badly against them, and we need to do better to protect them. This Roman circus of fans baying for blood - we are all part of this failure.
Or alternatively the Catholic ChurchSorry to invoke Godwins Law but the time has come.
Crows Board, AFL, AFLPA. WorkSafe SA, Adelaide media all now saying we didn't know?
Reminds me of the silence surrounding certain other notorious camps in history.