Eddie Betts

[huludicidal]

Just what we DON'T need...another small forward kicking 1 goal every 2 games who has no tackling skills or forward pressure ability. We already have lots of those!

Spend the $2mill on a proven goal kicker to help Tex next year.

I assume if Betts comes then Pets or Porps or Callinan are gone?

Odd post.


1) Betts is an excellent tackler and applies elite forward pressure. Stating otherwise proves that you don't watch Carlton games.

2) Betts has averaged over 2 goals a game in his last 2 uninterrupted seasons (2011 and 2012), and also led Carlton's goalkicking in 2010. He also made the All Australian 40 man squad in 2011 and 2012.

3) He is a proven goal kicker. He kicked 100 odd goals in 2011 and 2012 combined. How many other forwards (small, medium or tall) can say that?

4) The 3 blokes you have named are all finished as AFL players. This has become glaringly obvious this season. Personally I don't ever want to see any of them 3 of them in crows colours again. Porps to GWS, Callinan delisted, Petrenko anywhere that will take him.

5) Betts has had an average year in 2013. This has been caused by him breaking his jaw, missing about 6 weeks, and has also probably been influenced by the fact that Carlton have no effective tall forwards for him to crumb off, and the change in game plan that Malthouse has implemented. Even this average form has been far better than any of our small forwards could dream of. He has looked very good in the last month too.

6) Betts is exactly what we need because we have NO effective goalkicking small forwards on our entire list.

 

[FR0GGY]

cmndstab, late entry for next mod!??!

Nah too sensible for a mod

 

[Slippery Pete]

Betts is not worth $500k as a footballer, but unfortunately, I think he might be to us.

We need to go after him.

 

[OzSparrow]

Odd post.


1) Betts is an excellent tackler and applies elite forward pressure. Stating otherwise proves that you don't watch Carlton games.

2) Betts has averaged over 2 goals a game in his last 2 uninterrupted seasons (2011 and 2012), and also led Carlton's goalkicking in 2010. He also made the All Australian 40 man squad in 2011 and 2012.

3) He is a proven goal kicker. He kicked 100 odd goals in 2011 and 2012 combined. How many other forwards (small, medium or tall) can say that?

4) The 3 blokes you have named are all finished as AFL players. This has become glaringly obvious this season. Personally I don't ever want to see any of them 3 of them in crows colours again. Porps to GWS, Callinan delisted, Petrenko anywhere that will take him.

5) Betts has had an average year in 2013. This has been caused by him breaking his jaw, missing about 6 weeks, and has also probably been influenced by the fact that Carlton have no effective tall forwards for him to crumb off, and the change in game plan that Malthouse has implemented. Even this average form has been far better than any of our small forwards could dream of. He has looked very good in the last month too.

6) Betts is exactly what we need because we have NO effective goalkicking small forwards on our entire list.

1. The Blues games I do watch (which I admit is rare) I don't necessarily see this "excellent" or "elite" skill for Eddie.
2. At 26 maybe his best is behind him.
3. Read point 2.
4. Agree. So we do a straight swap and hope that Tex is OK to single-handedly shoulder the big man role in 2014?
5. Perhaps he was playing for a 4 year $2mill contract?
6. What about another Tippett? Worked well enough for us in 2012. And I dont think that LJ and/or JJ count in this category.

 

[AFC3000]

Callinan pretty much has to go, 31 next year, not one of those top players and has only played 3 games, 23 games and 6 games in his 3 years on the list.

Theirs something I like about Petrenko but he has a career average of half a goal a game, and has only played more than half a season last year.

Betts has played almost every game, kicks a couple of goals a game. This year was a down year but not because he's been slowing down he's 6 months older than Tippett. If his stats had been going down for a few years and we thought we could turn it around I would say no, but they took a sharp decline after his injury and coming back to play a new coaches game plan.

Is the right player, in a position we've always wanted. Every free agency is going to cost more than they are worth to their current club, that's how it works, unless we want to start bringing in past stars for their last season. Clubs will need to budget that extra money if they are going to attract free agents. I would rather see us spend it in an area we get a lot of improvement rather than one where we get no major improvement, I also think its better to pay Eddie Betts 600 thousand a year than pay a combination of Porps, Petrenko and Calinan anything near that for their half a season each.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Let's face it, we are after Betts to take Petrenko's spot in the forward line. Let's compare their stats since Petrenko's debut.

Betts: 108 games, 203.117 (1.88 gpg, 63%), 130 goal assists, 12.6 possessions pg, 3.3 tackles pg, 10 Brownlow votes
Petrenko: 71 games, 45.35 (0.63 gpg, 56%), 39 goal assists, 11.6 possessions pg, 3.6 tackles pg, 3 Brownlow votes

Basically they both run around and tackle, but Betts kicks and creates goals. Even in Betts' worst season (this one), he has kicked 25 goals in 17 games (about 1 and a half per game), has almost as many goal assists as goals (23), and is going at about 3.5 tackles per game.

He would be a massive addition to our side.

 

[Mattrox]

6. What about another Tippett? Worked well enough for us in 2012. And I dont think that LJ and/or JJ count in this category.

Do you know how much development went into Tippett to arrive at the 2012 version (in the prelim)?

Ready to go 200cm key forwards do not grow on trees. We can't trade for any, they are all signed up. We can't draft any, Boyd is going an #1.

Betts kicks goals (26 years 9 months)
this year 25.15 from 17 games
2012 48.30 from 22 games
2011 50.22 from 24 games

Tippett (26 years 4 months)
this year 35.19 from 11 games (improved from the past 2 years)
2012 39.31 from 21 games
2011 31.22 from 18 games

We have to go back to 2009 and 2010 to compare Tippets best from a "full season" with Betts.

They are almost the same age, they have very similar goal outputs, Sydney value Tippett at a million dollars. At $500,000 Betts is "half-price".

Your arguments are based on an inaccurate perception.

 

[huludicidal]

2. At 26 maybe his best is behind him.

Yep, 26 is over the hill.

Essentially what you are saying is that every free agent ever is perhaps past their best. It is literally impossible to be a free agent in the AFL at the age of 25.

Eddie turns 27 in November and is right in the prime of his career (25-28 would generally be considered a player's 'prime years').

Add to that the fact that he's a small forward - a position where players take far less of a physical battering than, say, anyone who plays in the midfield for 50% or more of an average game. He has also proven to be quite durable (no real history of recurring knee, hammy, calf problems) which points to greater potential longevity too.

I'd have money on him kicking 45 goals plus (injury-permitting) if he plays for us next season, and I don't see why he wouldn't be able to repeat that in 2015. In 2016 and beyond we can start the conversation about Betts potentially being 'past it'.

 

[crowsarethebest]

IMO small forwards who don't have the capacity to play consistently in the midfield are never worth 500k a year, especially on a 4 year deal. I like him as a player though, he's definitely in the top dozen small forwards in the league. He's a good player and will definitely fill a need for us though but a 4 year deal is a year too much- he's had a history with hammy's as well. He fills a need, overpaid, but I guess to attract a player to move you always have to dangle out a bit more $$$$.

What I don't get is why we don't draft some small forwards EVER? Guys like Lindsey Thomas, Betts, Garlett, Davey bro's + many many others were taken as rookies or late on in the draft. I just get why we don't take a punt. We rookied one (forgot his name) a few years ago but sent him to train in the SANFL then delisted him after a year. Yes, his worth ethic wasn't there but I am certain there are good mature age small forwards playing in the state leagues who can do more than a good job that we can pick up late in the draft or as a rookie.

 

[mattymac]

Been confident for 6 months we'll land him. Always felt the price is right. Nothing has changed.

 

[GROTTO]

Been confident for 6 months we'll land him. Always felt the price is right. Nothing has changed.

Carlton winning on the weekend and his performance with them, may swing them into signing him up?!

 

[Mattrox]

IMO small forwards who don't have the capacity to play consistently in the midfield are never worth 500k a year, especially on a 4 year deal. I like him as a player though, he's definitely in the top dozen small forwards in the league. He's a good player and will definitely fill a need for us though but a 4 year deal is a year too much- he's had a history with hammy's as well. He fills a need, overpaid, but I guess to attract a player to move you always have to dangle out a bit more $$$$.

What I don't get is why we don't draft some small forwards EVER? Guys like Lindsey Thomas, Betts, Garlett, Davey bro's + many many others were taken as rookies or late on in the draft. I just get why we don't take a punt. We rookied one (forgot his name) a few years ago but sent him to train in the SANFL then delisted him after a year. Yes, his worth ethic wasn't there but I am certain there are good mature age small forwards playing in the state leagues who can do more than a good job that we can pick up late in the draft or as a rookie.

Isn't this exactly what we did with Callinan?

 

[headache1]

1. The Blues games I do watch (which I admit is rare) I don't necessarily see this "excellent" or "elite" skill for Eddie.
2. At 26 maybe his best is behind him.
3. Read point 2.
4. Agree. So we do a straight swap and hope that Tex is OK to single-handedly shoulder the big man role in 2014?
5. Perhaps he was playing for a 4 year $2mill contract?
6. What about another Tippett? Worked well enough for us in 2012. And I dont think that LJ and/or JJ count in this category.

Why stop at another Tippett? How about we just go out and sign up another Mark Ricciuto, Andrew McLeod, Gary Ablett Snr, Gary Ablett Jnr and Chris Judd? Come on Nobes, make it happen!

 

[Tex200]

Do you know how much development went into Tippett to arrive at the 2012 version (in the prelim)?

Ready to go 200cm key forwards do not grow on trees. We can't trade for any, they are all signed up. We can't draft any, Boyd is going an #1.

Betts kicks goals (26 years 9 months)
this year 25.15 from 17 games
2012 48.30 from 22 games
2011 50.22 from 24 games

Tippett (26 years 4 months)
this year 35.19 from 11 games (improved from the past 2 years)
2012 39.31 from 21 games
2011 31.22 from 18 games

We have to go back to 2009 and 2010 to compare Tippets best from a "full season" with Betts.

They are almost the same age, they have very similar goal outputs, Sydney value Tippett at a million dollars. At $500,000 Betts is "half-price".

Your arguments are based on an inaccurate perception.

Excellent post. People should get there heads out of their a... es and consider looking at just what the player brings as opposed to categorising "oh he's only a small forward - needs to be a mid too " blah blah.

Regardless of his position or stature, the guy is a proven 50 goal a year forward. So the only question that needs to be answered is - do we need a 50 goal a year forward?

 

[mattymac]

Carlton winning on the weekend and his performance with them, may swing them into signing him up?!

we shall not be denied

(hopefully)

 

[RePete]

Carlton winning on the weekend and his performance with them, may swing them into signing him up?!

When they get smashed by 70 points next week will turn their upside-down-frowns upside down.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Odd post.


1) Betts is an excellent tackler and applies elite forward pressure. Stating otherwise proves that you don't watch Carlton games.

2) Betts has averaged over 2 goals a game in his last 2 uninterrupted seasons (2011 and 2012), and also led Carlton's goalkicking in 2010. He also made the All Australian 40 man squad in 2011 and 2012.

3) He is a proven goal kicker. He kicked 100 odd goals in 2011 and 2012 combined. How many other forwards (small, medium or tall) can say that?

4) The 3 blokes you have named are all finished as AFL players. This has become glaringly obvious this season. Personally I don't ever want to see any of them 3 of them in crows colours again. Porps to GWS, Callinan delisted, Petrenko anywhere that will take him.

5) Betts has had an average year in 2013. This has been caused by him breaking his jaw, missing about 6 weeks, and has also probably been influenced by the fact that Carlton have no effective tall forwards for him to crumb off, and the change in game plan that Malthouse has implemented. Even this average form has been far better than any of our small forwards could dream of. He has looked very good in the last month too.

6) Betts is exactly what we need because we have NO effective goalkicking small forwards on our entire list.

His stats and continuity were also impacted by the fact that he was sub in a few games or got subbed out, a couple of times being just after he came back from his broken jaw.. He also missed a few games with suspension for accidentally breaking a player's jaw which apparently upset him greatly..

 

[GROTTO]

Why stop at another Tippett? How about we just go out and sign up another Mark Ricciuto, Andrew McLeod, Gary Ablett Snr, Gary Ablett Jnr and Chris Judd? Come on Nobes, make it happen!

Operation Get Modra, his performances off field were legendary in the 90s.

 

[swanfan]

Talk is cheap. Lets just get it done.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Isn't this exactly what we did with Callinan?

And I would say he was a success. Kicked 39 goals last year, had numerous other goal assists and was class for us. His defensive pressure wasn't there though but that's to be expected as he's not the most athletic bloke out there.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

IMO small forwards who don't have the capacity to play consistently in the midfield are never worth 500k a year, especially on a 4 year deal. I like him as a player though, he's definitely in the top dozen small forwards in the league. He's a good player and will definitely fill a need for us though but a 4 year deal is a year too much- he's had a history with hammy's as well. He fills a need, overpaid, but I guess to attract a player to move you always have to dangle out a bit more $$$$.

What I don't get is why we don't draft some small forwards EVER? Guys like Lindsey Thomas, Betts, Garlett, Davey bro's + many many others were taken as rookies or late on in the draft. I just get why we don't take a punt. We rookied one (forgot his name) a few years ago but sent him to train in the SANFL then delisted him after a year. Yes, his worth ethic wasn't there but I am certain there are good mature age small forwards playing in the state leagues who can do more than a good job that we can pick up late in the draft or as a rookie.

Couldn't let this one slide.

This is a list of players who played more games for Carlton between 2009 and 2012 than Eddie Betts:






When did he have these hamstring injuries?

 

[Mattrox]

And I would say he was a success. Kicked 39 goals last year, had numerous other goal assists and was class for us. His defensive pressure wasn't there though but that's to be expected as he's not the most athletic bloke out there.

I agree that it was a success. But I'm suggesting the club will (must) continue to do this. But securing Betts would be a coup of the highest order and improve our team immeasurably. We need genuine depth in the forward line.

If Pets is relegated to a depth or role playing and there is a state league player who is better than current options I'm all for it. The competition for positions is great.

 

[AFC3000]

Couldn't let this one slide.

This is a list of players who played more games for Carlton between 2009 and 2012 than Eddie Betts:



When did he have these hamstring injuries?

Had a precautionary scan in 2008... Is that it?

Is Callinan actually a success story? Had 1 good season out of 3 and kicked 1 goal in our 3 game finals campaign that year. Ok from where he's come to have that year was good but if we are using that to say finding a small forward in the SANFL is easy I think it's not going to lead to success year after year. Quality small forward every 3 out of 9 years doesn't sound so good.

Betts or someone of similar quality would of got us an extra 10 goals, twice as many tackles and a top 5 goal assists in the league player, Callinan was 28th in 2012.

 

[DangerSloane]

I agree that it was a success. But I'm suggesting the club will (must) continue to do this. But securing Betts would be a coup of the highest order and improve our team immeasurably. We need genuine depth in the forward line.

If Pets is relegated to a depth or role playing and there is a state league player who is better than current options I'm all for it. The competition for positions is great.

Agree totally. We suffered from this in 2013.
The two spots where there was little to no competition: Small Forward, Ruck
Notice they happen to be the two areas we're looking at fixing first in the off-season, when at the beginning of 2013 it was speedy mid and key defender? We still need those too, but priorities have changed it seems.

 

[swanfan]

Agree totally. We suffered from this in 2013.
The two spots where there was little to no competition: Small Forward, Ruck
Notice they happen to be the two areas we're looking at fixing first in the off-season, when at the beginning of 2013 it was speedy mid and key defender? We still need those too, but priorities have changed it seems.

We want 22 players who can play their role compentently.