Eddie Betts

[Mattrox]

Watch these video packages then answer me.......

1) Who does AFC have as a small forward than can deliver all of this?

2)Would you like seeing Betts do this in a Crows Jumper?

 

[Allefgib]

oh god.

dangerfield is harder, probabaly the hardest player at the contest in the league, he is much quicker (crouch isnt fast), has a huge kick, is freakish when he goes forward. Good on crouch for highest poller in the last ten games, but dangerfield missed two of those games and was playing with a severely impacted shoulder. Not to mention he played out of the square 50% of the time

Crouch's ceiling will never be as high as dangerfields

Guys who play with him think otherwise.

The reason given by Tex and Jenkins at least is that Crouchy just seems to know where the ball will be, reads it better. That is a massive advantage.

He uses the ball better than Danger as well IMO.

I'm not bagging Patty at all, but after hearing Tex say he reckons Crouchy could be better made me think about it quite a bit - and its a distinct possibility IMO.

 

[Allefgib]

but he isn't worth anywhere close to $650k a season.

I don't think that's anyone's argument mate.

If money wasn't a factor do you want him?

 

[adelaidecrows]

Guys who play with him think otherwise.

The reason given by Tex and Jenkins at least is that Crouchy just seems to know where the ball will be, reads it better. That is a massive advantage.

He uses the ball better than Danger as well IMO.

I'm not bagging Patty at all, but after hearing Tex say he reckons Crouchy could be better made me think about it quite a bit - and its a distinct possibility IMO.

exactly, no one is saying Patty isn't good. Imagine two players on par with each other. Its like the Swan and Pendlebury partnership. To be straight up with you Grigg could make a run in this argument as well by the end of next season.

 

[Skippy231]

Interesting to note that in the Herald Sun today when talking about Eddie Betts, they didn't mention Adelaide as a possible suitor. Maybe Adelaide have pulled out of the race. According to the footy writers North Melbourne are offering Betts $550k, $100k more then he was on at Carlton. I can only presume Adelaide have gone cold because they don't want to pay him that much.

Some of those Vic reporters haven't even realized that it's not the VFL anymore

 

[Skippy231]

oh god.

dangerfield is harder, probabaly the hardest player at the contest in the league, he is much quicker (crouch isnt fast), has a huge kick, is freakish when he goes forward. Good on crouch for highest poller in the last ten games, but dangerfield missed two of those games and was playing with a severely impacted shoulder. Not to mention he played out of the square 50% of the time

Crouch's ceiling will never be as high as dangerfields

You haven't seen much footy have you? This kid is 18-19 and performing better than any other player in our team in the last half of the season, I don't think you understand how good Crouch is going to be

 

[adelaidecrows]

I don't think that's anyone's argument mate.

If money wasn't a factor do you want him?

Actually I disagree, plenty of people on here have insisted we pay what ever it takes to get him here. I just disagree with that statement. All arguments in professional sport centre on the individuals worth because you don't want to overpay for something the club could get away with not having or you can spend on another option.

Betts is a good player, I would get him if he came at a reasonable cost only. His form this season just worries me. Ive seen his highlights and he has been outstanding in previous seasons and his game against Richmond was good. That's why I am talking about the money. We need to make sure we don't blow our salary cap too much we cant afford to have a crack at another free agent or it affects what we can trade for in trade week.

 

[jangofett]

You haven't seen much footy have you? This kid is 18-19 and performing better than any other player in our team in the last half of the season, I don't think you understand how good Crouch is going to be

I think he will be an absolute gun, but he doesn't have the ceiling that dangerfield does, dangerfield is ridiculously gifted

Dangerfield is one of, if not the quickest player in the comp
Is a great mark above his head
Can kick freakish goals
One of the few players ive ever seen who wins a contested ball, shruggs 3 tackles and runs away

Crouch will never be as good as him, he is just a new toy, dont get ahead of yourself

 

[dylan123]

I'm not bagging Patty at all, but after hearing Tex say he reckons Crouchy could be better made me think about it quite a bit - and its a distinct possibility IMO.

When did he say that? Would like to read the article/hear the interview myself, some massive wraps for Crouch, will be very interesting to see how his second year goes.

 

[rayven]

next point..

If Malthouse wants him to take a pay cut, why should we give him a pay rise? Malthouse is no fool, I can't see why we should give good coin to a third rate Carlton player.

 

[Bacon8]

next point..

If Malthouse wants him to take a pay cut, why should we give him a pay rise? Malthouse is no fool, I can't see why we should give good coin to third rate Carlton player.

Hes not third rate player, like Bootsma... but then he got a new deal before Eddie, so I guess Mick knows best.

 

[rayven]

I think that if two small forwards are offered deals before you then it makes you third rate. Especially if your deal involves a pay cut, a pay cut that in all probabilities is so the two guys above you can fit into the salary cap..

 

[Mattrox]

next point..

If Malthouse wants him to take a pay cut, why should we give him a pay rise? Malthouse is no fool, I can't see why we should give good coin to a third rate Carlton player.

I'll refer you back to this as you haven't answered the questions yet.

Watch these video packages then answer me.......

1) Who does AFC have as a small forward than can deliver all of this?

2)Would you like seeing Betts do this in a Crows Jumper?

 

[Bacon8]

I think that if two small forwards are offered deals before you then it makes you third rate. Especially if your deal involves a pay cut, a pay cut that in all probabilities is so the two guys above you can fit into the salary cap..

Garlett re-signed in 2011 for 3 years and Yarran re-signed in 2012. Neither were offered deals before Betts, they came out of contract at different times.

But if you think Bootsma is better than Betts, then I wish you luck.

 

[Allefgib]

When did he say that? Would like to read the article/hear the interview myself, some massive wraps for Crouch, will be very interesting to see how his second year goes.

On MMM a few weeks back when he dragged Josh Jenkins in for a chat as well on the Rush Hour.

 

[rayven]

I'll refer you back to this as you haven't answered the questions yet.

Because I think your argument is sticking candy in front of a baby, that baby doesn't know the candy rots teeth and causes diabetes.

This guy is going to be traveling ten times a year, whats his record traveling with the precious carltank? What about showdowns? Pre lim Final intensity guaranteed, maybe a carlton fan can answer this? Thats twelve games a year we need to know this two million dollar contract will be worthy?

Two million dollars for someone who did nothing for a team ranked around where we are now and have been 3 out of the last 4 seasons...

 

[rayven]

Garlett re-signed in 2011 for 3 years and Yarran re-signed in 2012. Neither were offered deals before Betts, they came out of contract at different times.

So why did he get offered a pay cut? If what is reported is true?

 

[Bacon8]

So why did he get offered a pay cut? If what is reported is true?

Carlton want Thomas.

 

[Bacon8]

Because I think your argument is sticking candy in front of a baby, that baby doesn't know the candy rots teeth and causes diabetes.

This guy is going to be traveling ten times a year, whats his record traveling with the precious carltank? What about showdowns? Pre lim Final intensity guaranteed, maybe a carlton fan can answer this? Thats twelve games a year we need to know this two million dollar contract will be worthy?

Two million dollars for someone who did nothing for a team ranked around where we are now and have been 3 out of the last 4 seasons...

Kicking 40+ goals is not nothing.

 

[dylan123]

On MMM a few weeks back when he dragged Josh Jenkins in for a chat as well on the Rush Hour.

Cheers, will have a look around for it.

 

[rayven]

Carlton want Thomas.

That would make him a fourth rate Carlton player?

If he wanted to return to his home state, then I'd be all for offering what he's been getting. But because we need a player similar to him and he's available. I don't want to be a part of paying him based on factors other than his ability. We stuffed up with Tippet like that. Brown or Crouch, Otten or Talia may feel they're worth more than betts, based from their performances on the field

 

[swanfan]

Did dangerfield walk out on the club today

He didn't say he was our best player. That's the problem people sprout before comprehending.

 

[Vader]

Guys who play with him think otherwise.

The reason given by Tex and Jenkins at least is that Crouchy just seems to know where the ball will be, reads it better. That is a massive advantage.

He uses the ball better than Danger as well IMO.

I'm not bagging Patty at all, but after hearing Tex say he reckons Crouchy could be better made me think about it quite a bit - and its a distinct possibility IMO.

Could well end up being our next "who's better - Roo or McLeod" debate. Both have their strengths & weaknesses. Both are legends of the club and multiple AA winners. For all that though, they are/were as different as chalk & cheese.

When it comes to Dangerfield vs Crouch, Dangerfield has speed & the ability to do the freakish. Crouch has a better football brain, a better ability to read the play and better disposal. He doesn't have Danger's express pace, but he's certainly not slow.

If I were to bet right now, I'd say that Crouch will probably end up the better player - but we're comparing a 9.5/10 player with a 9.45/10 player, so don't get too upset about it.

 

[Mattrox]

Because I think your argument is sticking candy in front of a baby, that baby doesn't know the candy rots teeth and causes diabetes.

This guy is going to be traveling ten times a year, whats his record traveling with the precious carltank? What about showdowns? Pre lim Final intensity guaranteed, maybe a carlton fan can answer this? Thats twelve games a year we need to know this two million dollar contract will be worthy?

Two million dollars for someone who did nothing for a team ranked around where we are now and have been 3 out of the last 4 seasons...

Look up his goal kicking over the years. He is not 3rd rate as a small forward or as a player in general. He'd regularly slot in at 2nd on our list.

Don't confuse Carlton being a shit team for him being a 3rd rate player.

He fills a role in our team where we have no-one who brings everything Betts does.

 

[cammo6556]

It's fine to have am opinion re player wages etc, but I'm fairly certain it's mostly guesswork as to what players are on. So how can anyone say what a player is worth?

Surely "worth" is dictated by what people/clubs are willing to pay a player for their services.

To suggest Betts is not worth any offer we throw at him is ridiculous. We are the market.