Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

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I am neither ageist, sexist, chauvinist, racist or homophobic. I offer my seat to older people and pregnant women on public transport and regard myself as a decent person however i don't like Caroline Wilson. I had the misfortune to email her to complain about a column she wrote and I surprisingly got a reply. Her reply was mean spirited and nasty...I guess I should have gone to ACA or something and made her apologise.

I was also at the game when Eddie went into the water and I heard a Melbourne supporter yell "Drown the %$#$" Everybody laughed, it was a funny remark, it was Australian humour. Political correctness has gone mad in this country, why do we have to attach a label to everything. Caroline has made many unflattering, sarcastic and nasty remarks about players and Presidents but we can't dislike her or say anything about her because we are sexist and support violence against women?

I've put up with discrimination my whole life, I know what it's like, but this was a larrikin type of humour and there are more important things for people to worry about.

Yes, we the Caro dislikers have the right to call her a cold hearted witch when ever we feel like it.

Witches are usually burnt at the stake but water is one of many other options.
 
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In all honestly people do have a right to get offended if they so wish at the actual incident then fair enough

Once the apologies are made people then get offended at the apology as well and that is where people are just outraged for outrage sake.
 
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Eddie takes plenty on the chin. I'd go with he's copped ten times more than he's dished out over the years and with a lot more vitriol.
That happens all the time these days. Sheesh if you take the bolded text as a rule Andrew Dolt would have ground for claiming bullying given what's aimed at him by many people.
You are missing some very important points here. Workplace bullying generally applies to colleagues. It can apply to customers or clients as well but to establish the pattern you are looking for the same people involved individually or within a group.

In some of these instances you seem to be saying that someone giving out vitriol is being bullied if he gets it back. So you seem to be suggesting that the original perpetrator has no expectation to receive an equal or opposite reaction back, based on their own words.

Sure random people on an internet forum or out in public might say some unsavoury things that are more personal than addressing the professionalism or manner of what Eddie or Bolt have said, and while these reactions are not relevant or proper responses, these people don't have the power to influence that Eddie or Bolt do.

Regardless, you take the stance that other people cop it, so should she. Harden up.

Let me tell you, that this mentality is dying. The more we understand mental illness, societal stress and anxiety and the ramifications, the more outdated these concepts become.

Old school cops would recognise the Spoonful of cement and HTFU mentality, yet psychologists will tell you that a lot of these guys find themselves talking to them and phasing themselves out of the workforce before they are ready. It takes a toll.
 

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Am I a bad person because I didn't batter an eye lid over it when I first heard the comment?

Do we really live in such a PC world that someone cant make a joking remark towards a woman who's been known to attack others in her articles?
Yep, it's pathetic isn't it? If it were a deliberate attempt to threaten her then I could understand, but I saw it as two adversaries in the same industry who try to one-up each other. The funny part is, if the roles were reversed and Caro said it about Eddie, everyone would have laughed and it would have been instantly forgotten. Fair dinkum, the politically correct watchdogs are destroying this forum.
 

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" Said" what?

What has Hird ever said that's horrifically offensive?

It's about ' offensive comments ' here if you haven't worked it out yet pal.
Oversaw players putting unknown crap into their systems. That's highly offensive before you try and take the high road.

That's far worse than words pal.
 
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In all honestly people do have a right to get offended if they so wish at the actual incident then fair enough

Once the apologies are made people then get offended at the apology as well and that is where people are just outraged for outrage sake.
I think the issue is the apparent lack of understanding.

Is it an apology is you apologise for the way someone received your comment but make excuses for the comment itself? You might very well say 'I'm sorry you are so sensitive, but there was nothing wrong with what I said.'

That's fine too. Nobody should have to force an apology. Either stand by your comment and take the heat or make an unconditional apology.
 
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Yes my father was a very violent man and having spent 15 odd years in such an environment makes this a bit personal for me. What I want you to understand is out side of your experience ONE WOMAN PER WEEK DIES FROM DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Until that statistic diminishes into oblivion we need to be more than politically correct, we need to be the so called fun police.

Our mothers, daughters and sisters are dying out there like it's war time, but it isn't. People who have such an impact on our cultural beliefs such as Eddie and CO need to step up properly, leave the past behind. Make a stand, earn the massive money they receive by making our society a better place; rather than pandering to the lowest common denominator.
The fun police approach only annoys people and they lose focus on the issue at hand.

There are other ways to drive home a message.
 

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But you do. Caro's more clued in than you it seems.

You keep using the term Domestic Violence but I don't think you know what it means.
You don't think? Well there is a revelation. Because you have a keyboard you can have an opinion is your ethos. I lived in a house hold of domestic violence and abuse till I was 15 and ran away. But you never bothered to ask that did you troll? And here is my point which you seem to be avoiding, a club president has no role being a clown, making jokes about violence against women. If you seriously wish to believe that comedians who make homophobic, racist or sexist humor (even rape jokes like you and your precious Ricky, though I am pretty sure you have never been raped) are using their freedom of speech then more power to your hate agenda. Until there are ZERO deaths due to domestic violence I will consider it appropriate to preach overt political correctness. Now tell us your story Bostonian? Did you ever face domestic violence? Are you really from Boston or do you just like the group?
 

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Yes my father was a very violent man and having spent 15 odd years in such an environment makes this a bit personal for me. What I want you to understand is out side of your experience ONE WOMAN PER WEEK DIES FROM DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Until that statistic diminishes into oblivion we need to be more than politically correct, we need to be the so called fun police.

Our mothers, daughters and sisters are dying out there like it's war time, but it isn't. People who have such an impact on our cultural beliefs such as Eddie and CO need to step up properly, leave the past behind. Make a stand, earn the massive money they receive by making our society a better place; rather than pandering to the lowest common denominator.
I admire your passion. I too have a 'cause' which is impossible to get people to change their attitude totally. You have to chip away, chip away and choose your battles because unfortunately people take a long time to absorb the messages. We love to turn away rather than face reality. Got to start with the most grievous things to get people to take notice and grasp the seriousness of the situation. That's why i think carro has done the cause almost a disservice because those who don't believe will scoff at her being such a controversial figure.
Keep up your great work and passion, but pick your battles because a lot of people will think this scenario is OTT and they won't even bother paying any attention to a real issue (like the stats you quote which are unacceptable of course).
Probably sounding like a twat but from my personal experience with rallying for causes, the public's eyes glaze over very quickly and trivial examples don't help.
Feel free to vent - trying to support you but think I'm doing a crap job!

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The funny part is, if the roles were reversed and Caro said it about Eddie, everyone would have laughed and it would have been instantly forgotten. Fair dinkum, the politically correct watchdogs are destroying this forum.
Would they? Can you make an argument based on a hypothetical reaction to something that never happened?

I'd find it pretty hypocritical and unprofessional for Caro to say something like that about someone she didn't like, especially if she claimed it as a joke.

Jokes come from familiarity and understanding of how it should be received by its intended audience. Jokes about a specific person shouldn't come about because that person is an adversary ... at least not in a professional environment.
 
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I think the issue is the apparent lack of understanding.

Is it an apology is you apologise for the way someone received your comment but make excuses for the comment itself? You might very well say 'I'm sorry you are so sensitive, but there was nothing wrong with what I said.'

That's fine too. Nobody should have to force an apology. Either stand by your comment and take the heat or make an unconditional apology.
The thing is it should be up to Caro and Caro only whether the apology was acceptable. All the twitter and blog heroes have no actual stake in the apology and just like to be outraged for outrage sake
 
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You don't think? Well there is a revelation. Because you have a keyboard you can have an opinion is your ethos. I lived in a house hold of domestic violence and abuse till I was 15 and ran away. But you never bothered to ask that did you troll? And here is my point which you seem to be avoiding, a club president has no role being a clown, making jokes about violence against women. If you seriously wish to believe that comedians who make homophobic, racist or sexist humor (even rape jokes like you and your precious Ricky, though I am pretty sure you have never been raped) are using their freedom of speech then more power to your hate agenda. Until there are ZERO deaths due to domestic violence I will consider it appropriate to preach overt political correctness. Now tell us your story Bostonian? did you ever face domestic violence?


Are you really from Boston or do you just like the group?
Why would you mention his user name? Are you totally deranged?

It's more than a feeling.
 
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Peta Credlin copped some nasty attacks along the way. The outrage just wasn't there for her copping a lot of vile diatribe. That's why many people can't take all of this seriously.

It actually seems as soon as a woman identifies herself as more conservative, she's far more fair game than the other side of the scale.
Oh wait, are we getting to the bottom of something here? Are you only interesting in protecting people who you have an affinity for?
 

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Actually women in white collar jobs receive alot less than men .ive.never worked in a job where for the same job I was paid more than a woman working along side me ...and that was is so called blokey industries like the Army ,mine sites and the offshore oil and gas industry
The APS in the Defence organisation and uniformed members receive the same pay if they are of the same job and rank. Unless you are talking about defence contractors which have nothing do to with that.
 

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Yes my father was a very violent man and having spent 15 odd years in such an environment makes this a bit personal for me. What I want you to understand is out side of your experience ONE WOMAN PER WEEK DIES FROM DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Until that statistic diminishes into oblivion we need to be more than politically correct, we need to be the so called fun police.

Our mothers, daughters and sisters are dying out there like it's war time, but it isn't. People who have such an impact on our cultural beliefs such as Eddie and CO need to step up properly, leave the past behind. Make a stand, earn the massive money they receive by making our society a better place; rather than pandering to the lowest common denominator.
It's tough, I have a psychology background and have dealt with abusers and the abused. I often find these public campaigns are just a lot of hot air. We often forget that humans are just highly evolved animals and unfortunately that means they aren't perfect. When 2 people choose to co-habitat with one another it can bring out some really nasty behavior from controlling to abuse etc. It is nearly always done behind closed doors. It is often exacerbated by the stresses of life from poverty/alcohol and drug abuse etc. Then you have traditional gender roles added to it as well.

To think that a campaign can end such a problem is naive at best. We need to ensure that the law is tough on abusers and that we give people involved in abusive situations (and it is always going to happen in this world unfortunately) the best and safest way out of such relationships. All the policing of language in the world isn't going to change a thing. Abusers will still find a way to abuse.
 
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