Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

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You are missing some very important points here. Workplace bullying generally applies to colleagues. It can apply to customers or clients as well but to establish the pattern you are looking for the same people involved individually or within a group.
Caro is none of these things to Triple M.

She is the opposition.


In some of these instances you seem to be saying that someone giving out vitriol is being bullied if he gets it back. So you seem to be suggesting that the original perpetrator has no expectation to receive an equal or opposite reaction back, based on their own words.
I'm trying to point out the silliness of calling it bullying. By using very vague definition of it it can then be applied to countless situations where it's not really happening.

Sure random people on an internet forum or out in public might say some unsavoury things that are more personal than addressing the professionalism or manner of what Eddie or Bolt have said, and while these reactions are not relevant or proper responses, these people don't have the power to influence that Eddie or Bolt do.
CFMEU had plenty of power when they went after Credlin.


Regardless, you take the stance that other people cop it, so should she. Harden up.
I'm more of the opinion don't enable them by dignifying a response. As it is, this thread shows why there's more and more people pushing bac agaisnt their perceived freedom of speech.

Let me tell you, that this mentality is dying. The more we understand mental illness, societal stress and anxiety and the ramifications, the more outdated these concepts become.
What's rising however is a mindset of people that are sick of being told what they can say and do. It's very present in this thread. Plenty of women are jumping on board that train of thought too.
 
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It's tough, I have a psychology background and have dealt with abusers and the abused. I often find these public campaigns are just a lot of hot air. We often forget that humans are just highly evolved animals and unfortunately that means they aren't perfect. When 2 people choose to co-habitat with one another it can bring out some really nasty behavior from controlling to abuse etc. It is nearly always done behind closed doors. It is often exacerbated by the stresses of life from poverty/alcohol and drug abuse etc. Then you have traditional gender roles added to it as well.

To think that a campaign can end such a problem is naive at best. We need to ensure that the law is tough on abusers and that we give people involved in abusive situations (and it is always going to happen in this world unfortunately) the best and safest way out of such relationships. All the policing of language in the world isn't going to change a thing. Abusers will still find a way to abuse.
We're not as highly evolved as we make out to be you know.

We're actually only two steps forward from caveman days really.
 

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Am I a bad person because I didn't batter an eye lid over it when I first heard the comment?

Do we really live in such a PC world that someone cant make a joking remark towards a woman who's been known to attack others in her articles?
Attack others, ruin their family names, drag them through the mud (usually before the fact). Do the journo's offer anyone apology? Nope. Not Australian Journalists. They are pond scum. I wouldn't lose sleep if any of them drowned. Eddie included.
 

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It's tough, I have a psychology background and have dealt with abusers and the abused. I often find these public campaigns are just a lot of hot air. We often forget that humans are just highly evolved animals and unfortunately that means they aren't perfect. When 2 people choose to co-habitat with one another it can bring out some really nasty behavior from controlling to abuse etc. It is nearly always done behind closed doors. It is often exacerbated by the stresses of life from poverty/alcohol and drug abuse etc. Then you have traditional gender roles added to it as well.

To think that a campaign can end such a problem is naive at best. We need to ensure that the law is tough on abusers and that we give people involved in abusive situations (and it is always going to happen in this world unfortunately) the best and safest way out of such relationships. All the policing of language in the world isn't going to change a thing. Abusers will still find a way to abuse.
True but we need to make make sure the offence results in you being a social pariah, not a good honest bloke who is worthy of jokes.
 
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The thing is it should be up to Caro and Caro only whether the apology was acceptable. All the twitter and blog heroes have no actual stake in the apology and just like to be outraged for outrage sake
It's two public people and a public apology. If he didn't apologise for saying it, but only apologised for how it was received, then people can talk about that to their heart's content.

Didn't Frawley come out and say he had spoken to his wife and daughters and realised what was wrong with what he said, or did he say it is only wrong because of the way it was taken?

I agree the intent was probably not to offend, it was to have a laugh amongst themselves. It was inappropriate though. I have only heard a sound bite of Eddie's apology so maybe there was more to it, but saying it was just a joke and hesitating before saying he apologises for the way it was taken, would indicate he doesn't see a problem with it.

I think it is a bit of a storm in a teacup, but while some think it is bigger than what it is because of the the do gooders manufacturing offense, I tend to think the conversation keeps happening because of the groundswell of support trying to minimalise the issue.
 

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Bigfooty should be totally behind Caro. She only writes about off field issues. As usual bigfooty's biggest threads are always about off field issues.

Meeting of the minds really.
Big footy has an ageist complex, Caro didn't fit the bill. They thrown her on the scrap heap in favor of their new poster girl - Clementine Ford.
 

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We're not as highly evolved as we make out to be you know.

We're actually only two steps forward from caveman days really.
I agree. I think a lot of these comments that are meant to shock people like "it's an epidemic, one woman is killed per week in Australia" for me isn't shocking at all. The number is no doubt the lowest it has been in history as well. You put all the co-habitating people in this country, with all of the problems they have, together and you wonder how the numbers aren't higher.

The problem is that, for social-science and gender studies majors that dominate the dialogue on these issues at the moment in the media, the big thing that needs to be changed are language and attitudes. Having dealt with issues on the ground, these issues are so far from what should be the priority it isn't funny. But they are the main things we hear about and takes up so much space. It is sad really.
 

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You don't think? Well there is a revelation. Because you have a keyboard you can have an opinion is your ethos. I lived in a house hold of domestic violence and abuse till I was 15 and ran away. But you never bothered to ask that did you troll? And here is my point which you seem to be avoiding, a club president has no role being a clown, making jokes about violence against women. If you seriously wish to believe that comedians who make homophobic, racist or sexist humor (even rape jokes like you and your precious Ricky, though I am pretty sure you have never been raped) are using their freedom of speech then more power to your hate agenda. Until there are ZERO deaths due to domestic violence I will consider it appropriate to preach overt political correctness. Now tell us your story Bostonian? Did you ever face domestic violence? Are you really from Boston or do you just like the group?
I have a male friend who's the victim of domestic violence. He recently approached Sarah Henderson and Julie Bishop during a tour of Geelong bigging themselves up. When he asked about assistance for him and his son and other like him when they were terrified and being physically abused, you know what they did? They walked away from him. That's after Henderson lied about the Libs DV package not being gendered. Every single politician in Geelong he's approached have treated him like a Pariah and ignored him. It's obvious there's no money or publicity to be gotten from men or children who are victims of DV by women.

You know what what White Ribbon did when he contacted them? They blocked him.

So I'm genuinely sorry for you that you had a bad experience, but you're not the only one with a story to tell. All people's stories deserve to be told, and not have someone say "oh but more of person X cop it than you so you'll have to wait til we take care of them first".

This however has nothing to do with DV. It's about jokes in poor taste.
 

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"I'm sorry my joke wasn't funny" is literally the oldest trick in the book for men who don't really want to apologise

This woman is the very heart of what the feminist movement is now about. Complaining about sexism and boys clubs while making a completely sexist generalisation not even realising it.

Edit: And she gets lauded for her stance
 
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And what was the outcome? Hird was run out of town, to the satisfaction of most.
Hi Ron, how you going ?, what happened ?, i don't think the AFL wants Eddie run out of town but they want him to shut up about the Northern academies.

This has the look of stage managed AFL faux outrage to dilute old Eddie of power and smack him back down.
 

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I have a male friend who's the victim of domestic violence. He recently approached Sarah Henderson and Julie Bishop during a tour of Geelong bigging themselves up. When he asked about assistance for him and his son and other like him when they were terrified and being physically abused, you know what they did? They walked away from him. That's after Henderson lied about the Libs DV package not being gendered. Every single politician in Geelong he's approached have treated him like a Pariah and ignored him. It's obvious there's no money or publicity to be gotten from men or children who are victims of DV by women.

You know what what White Ribbon did when he contacted them? They blocked him.

So I'm genuinely sorry for you that you had a bad experience, but you're not the only one with a story to tell. All people's stories deserve to be told, and not have someone say "oh but more of person X cop it than you so you'll have to wait til we take care of them first".

This however has nothing to do with DV. It's about jokes in poor taste.
Look OK this is great, now we are getting at the crux of your issues. I wish you had made me aware of this stuff sooner or maybe you did and I missed it; in which case I am sorry. But I do disagree when you say this has nothing to do with domestic violence (and to be honest I don't like the way you render it down to an acronym, please spell it out for what it is).

My points are that:

1. A football club president does not have any right to claim the same rights of free speech as a comedian making social observations.
2. Until there are ZERO deaths amongst our mothers, sisters and daughters from domestic violence then we need to be OVERTLY politically correct (to remove this stain from future generations).
3. This is a war, I do not apologize for being intolerant. As a 12 year oldish I had to fight my father to stop him beating my mother constantly. I do not give a f^&k what it take to put an end to this shit in our society, if you never laugh again I really coundn't give a f*(k.
 

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So Eddie cops it for a comment that wasn't offensive yet not much is said about Tony Shaw who was with Caro on 3AW which was exactly the same was what Eddie had said.
Yes SHE WAS THERE TO DEFEND HERSELF, ffs that is banter. What Eddie did is BULLYING.
 

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Look OK this is great, now we are getting at the crux of your issues. I wish you had made me aware of this stuff sooner or maybe you did and I missed it; in which case I am sorry. But I do disagree when you say this has nothing to do with domestic violence (and to be honest I don't like the way you render it down to an acronym, please spell it out for what it is).

My points are that:

1. A football club president does not have any right to claim the same rights of free speech as a comedian making social observations.
2. Until there are ZERO deaths amongst our mothers, sisters and daughters from domestic violence then we need to be OVERTLY politically correct (to remove this stain from future generations).
3. This is a war, I do not apologize for being intolerant. As a 12 year oldish I had to fight my father to stop him beating my mother constantly. I do not give a f^&k what it take to put an end to this shit in our society, if you never laugh again I really coundn't give a f*(k.
1. In your opinion.

2. Domestic violence is not a war - it requires education and cultural change, not fighting.

3. Mussolini like this.
 
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