Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

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My abuse came after the relationship ended. You're not a man blah blah, me ex is a bigger man than you blah blah, you're pathetic, you will never see your daughter again blah blah. Legal aid for her, solicitor and barrister fees for me ... 2 separate occasions over a few years. Police arrived to say that they picked up my exes father on his way up from Sydney to murder me. This was all after she was the one that walked out and left our 15 month old daughter behind. My daughter is now 20 and my ex still talks about wanting me back and has tried to break up my current marriage on one occasion.

My step mother used to single me out for special mental abuse as I was the only child in my Dad's second marriage that wasn't hers. Blamed for things I didn't do, punished accordingly, verbally abused, then on one occasion because I screamed in pain when one of my step siblings bit me hard for no reason and got punished by my Dad before he went out, she threw me to the ground in front of some women friend of hers I had never met and started laying the boot into me. I think I was nearly 10 at the time.

They broke up many times and got back together a week or two later and she would come back and abuse me for eating food that had been left in the cupboard. I was so accustomed to her going back and being abusive to me, it took me until I was 18 to give her a serve back and it stopped right there.

For his part my Dad turned to alcohol in between all this drama, and lashed out at me on occasion. My older step brother stayed with us, bashed his girlfriend on numerous occasions, beat up my Dad and even knocked me on my arse a few time for walking in at the wrong time.

I've been set upon by a couple of grown men in a car park at night time when I was about 15, and I was only saved by a guy walking past with his Mum and hearing it happen.

I firmly believe in horses for courses where violence is concerned. I have seen it from friends, family, mothers, fathers, children, and nobody is exempt. I have so many reasons to take personal circumstances and channel my angst towards women, but I have seen them as victims so many times as well.

Some feminists are shallow, full of hate and not nearly as enlightened as they claim to be. It is not all one way traffic. There are outliers in every group that you have to ignore and not make representative of an issue when it comes up.

So while I completely relate to your story, the frustration, the stuff you had to ignore so your reaction wasn't used against you, a system whereby a father has less rights than the mother, I would just advise you to try not to apply that that to other situations and try to take everything at face value. This is not a gender war, it's an ignorance war and our trials in getting a fair go for ourselves are not the fault of women who find themselves subject to bullying or domestic violence.

I find most women empathise with my own struggles as long as I don't judge them based on those struggles.
I'm truly sorry you had all of that happen. Life's incredibly unfair.
 

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Yeah exactly. It frustrates me that so many in the media write about the issue as if if we simply fix the way we talk about the issue and use language that it will have a massive impact. It is such a simplistic way to look at a complex issue and stems from people who have studied social science and gender studies given too much air time in the media regarding issues like this that have a lot of their basis in mental health.

Having dealt with many abusers I'd like to see the focus put onto the mental health of abusive people. Disorders like Borderline personality disorder for example is a disorder that is so prevalent in many domestic abuse cases (male and female) that I dealt with and has remarkably consistent behavior patterns. But awareness of disorders like this are very low, instead the focus by many in the media is on the language we use as it is seen as a major contributor to violence when the overall impact is questionable at best.

It is frustrating and why these huge circuses whipped up by a journalist/blogger/twitterer such as Erin Riley with expertise in gender issues don't do anything practical at all to help this issue. They just whip up a frenzy of anger from both sides that eventually subsides and then nothing changes. The people being abused continue to be abused, Eddie says sorry, Erin and her Twitter followers think they are having an impact by calling out Eddie and his ilk and we all wait until someone else says something that doesn't fit into the scope of what Erin and her followers see as appropriate. Then it all starts again.
That's nice, but it doesn't fit the "be ashamed of your gender and whiteness" narrative of recent times and will be subsequently disregarded.
 
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Yeah exactly. It frustrates me that so many in the media write about the issue as if if we simply fix the way we talk about the issue and use language that it will have a massive impact. It is such a simplistic way to look at a complex issue and stems from people who have studied social science and gender studies given too much air time in the media regarding issues like this that have a lot of their basis in mental health.

Having dealt with many abusers I'd like to see the focus put onto the mental health of abusive people. Disorders like Borderline personality disorder for example is a disorder that is so prevalent in many domestic abuse cases (male and female) that I dealt with and has remarkably consistent behavior patterns. But awareness of disorders like this are very low, instead the focus by many in the media is on the language we use as it is seen as a major contributor to violence when the overall impact is questionable at best.

It is frustrating and why these huge circuses whipped up by a journalist/blogger/twitterer such as Erin Riley with expertise in gender issues don't do anything practical at all to help this issue. They just whip up a frenzy of anger from both sides that eventually subsides and then nothing changes. The people being abused continue to be abused, Eddie says sorry, Erin and her Twitter followers think they are having an impact by calling out Eddie and his ilk and we all wait until someone else says something that doesn't fit into the scope of what Erin and her followers see as appropriate. Then it all starts again.
Completely agree with this. Some people talk in a particular way because they were conditioned to it. We were all young, impressionable, and affected by upheaval in our lives and yes, so many were victims.

I am generally a fairly cruisy sort of person but I find myself being quick to anger of late. It is easy to look at it and say that some people are going out of their way to get a rise out of me, and honestly, that is happening much of the time. However, the way I react to it is starting to concern me. I've never been violent but I as I get older I find myself less willing to cop other people's stress and I could see myself engaging in tit for tat verbal abuse and justifying it to myself if I continue along that path. I have other stress issues going on and am talking to someone about those, but I'm fairly self aware and occasionally wonder if a lot of people are candidates for becoming exactly the type of person we abhor in here.

There are so many damaged people becoming more damaged because there is no help or because they might be looked at as a potential abuser if they did seek help. Aiming campaigns to seek help at men as the perpetrators and women as the recipients would probably turn a lot of people off.

Certainly make it easier for men to have a voice with marital breakdowns and child access and seeking help to avoid letting these situations affect their mental health, without people pointing and judging.
 

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One person's "political correctness" is another's "improvement in society".

It's all a matter of perspective.

Calling out a bully like McGuire for alleged humour fuelled by hatred to me is certainly a step in the right direction.

But, as you suggested, each to his/her own.
I struggle to see the difference between people like you peddling political correctness and religious fanatics. Both zealots who won't tolerate any opposing views and both seem to think their view on the world is best. At least religious zealots are a thing of the past for the most part, one down, one to go...
 

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I struggle to see the difference between people like you peddling political correctness and religious fanatics. Both zealots who won't tolerate any opposing views and both seem to think their view on the world is best. At least religious zealots are a thing of the past for the most part, one down, one to go...
Are you serious?

If you want to go further with this...........off to the SRP board, we go!
 
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I see plenty of comments that are linking the joke back to violence against women as if the two are connected.
The connection is that the comments were made in a week where the AFL are promoting gender diversity and backing domestic violence causes. It is bad week timing wise.

The other connection is that domestic violence often starts with disrespect or bullying.

I am not sure anybody has said the comments were akin to domestic violence or as bad as domestic violence or likely to lead to domestic violence. Purely a respect issue.
 

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Is there a female journo yet who hasn't chimed in with how outraged they are

Every time I go to the age website there is a new opinion piece there

This is just getting beyond a joke

This outrage is going to have the opposite effect to what the afl and these female journalists want with extra female participation. It's just going to get the vast majority to rail against the continued intrusion of SJW agendas into the game
 

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I don't mind Caro and most of the reason she is dislike is because she is a woman in a very male dominated industry but nothing he said here is sexist if he was talking about a man nothing would come up get over it you PC wankers
 

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To think that a campaign can end such a problem is naive at best. We need to ensure that the law is tough on abusers and that we give people involved in abusive situations (and it is always going to happen in this world unfortunately) the best and safest way out of such relationships. All the policing of language in the world isn't going to change a thing. Abusers will still find a way to abuse.
I don't think anyone does think a single campaign will solve everything.

But what would you think of a campaign that encouraged parents to tell their kids they throw like a girl? Would that make things better, worse, or have no effect?
 
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I don't mind Caro and most of the reason she is dislike is because she is a woman in a very male dominated industry but nothing he said here is sexist if he was talking about a man nothing would come up get over it you PC ******s
It doesn't have to be sexist. Is it bullying? Is it offensive? If you are saying it about someone you dislike, who you do not have a bantering relationship with, is it mean spirited?

A lot of efforts being made to shut down the discussion and not many of them are very articulate.
 

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I don't think anyone does think a single campaign will solve everything.

But what would you think of a campaign that encouraged parents to tell their kids they throw like a girl? Would that make things better, worse, or have no effect?
Depends. Are their kids girls?
 

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neither would be a sexist comment though, yeah?
are you really this stupid? it's not sexist, it's calling for violence toward another..and Eddie says its just banter, where have I head that before? hmm..Eddie, that's where. This ******* has a AM beside his name for christ sake..imagine John Faine calling for Eddie's wife to be drowned, it'd be on for young and old.

at the end of the day Eddie is a worthless nobody with a bit of money behind him..C grade personality who people seem to fear, pfft, when really he's nothing more than cheap white trash.
 
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I struggle to see the difference between people like you peddling political correctness and religious fanatics. Both zealots who won't tolerate any opposing views and both seem to think their view on the world is best. At least religious zealots are a thing of the past for the most part, one down, one to go...
What's life like on your planet?
 
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Is there a female journo yet who hasn't chimed in with how outraged they are

Every time I go to the age website there is a new opinion piece there

This is just getting beyond a joke

This outrage is going to have the opposite effect to what the afl and these female journalists want with extra female participation. It's just going to get the vast majority to rail against the continued intrusion of SJW agendas into the game
Yeah, they've all got delayed reaction syndrome. At the expiration of 7 days from the date the comments were made, they all immediately find the comments pathetic and worthy of their outrage.

This has been so far blown out of proportion it is is hilarious
 
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