Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

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Just to clarify ...by your definition when Caro repeatedly slaged off Dane Swan over several years ..saying he should be sacked he's a terrible influence a drug addict etc etc ,because he wasn't there to banter with her when the comments were made ..would you classify that as bullying ?
Absolutely not, that is reporting and as someone made it evidently clear earlier comedians and reporters may say as they like (though they still can be sued).

However accusing someone of something slanderous and threatening to pay to kill someone (if even in jest) are very different things.

To make a fantasy on air where a difficult woman is held under water untill she drowns is reprehensible.

I hope you understand that.

ONE WOMAN DIES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EVERY WEEK.
 

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Unfortunately Caro is an utterly despised figure in the AFL industry. She has relentlessly pursued certain figures, Hird, Brayshaw, ....and would not stop until their lively hoods and families were impacted.

She has called for people to be sacked, punished, sanctioned, fined. I think its time she stepped away and left us alone to enjoy our game without her crap.

The AFL landscape would be much better off without her in the industry.


As for the comments, slightly over the line depending on who you are as an individual. I didn't bat an eyelid when I first heard it but after it being analysed to death it seems a little worse than just a general joke.
i hated the way she ceaselessly kept calling Hird into question during the whole saga rather than let it play
I don't like her constant witch hunts of JB or Ed, who are actually rolling up their sleeves to help the clubs they love.
She isn't a great journo and not the greatest writer in the world. And focuses far too much on the scoop on individuals and issues within football rather than write and provide insights into the game.

She isn't alone with your statement in bold
i would argue 15% of AFL journos actually provide intelligent insights.
When you put David King out there as an AFL scientist or whatever the f*** it was, you know you're scraping a barrel.

but none of that excuses in semblance of bullying.
 

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I do like the way you tarnish all listeners of a radio station with one sour brush AND outright order people how to behave while simultaneously ranting about what's acceptable behaviour.

Well as a woman i do like to be bossy or what you might call a b*tch.
I'm sorry maybe i should just sit down and let you men speak for me. I shouldn't have spoken without being asked to first. It was inappropriate
 
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Under siege??
Are you serious.

The whole world is changing its not just the treasured institutions of the white Australian male.

Imagine the change that the aboriginal community faced 200 years ago. Imagine the change Africans faced when the English locked them on boats as slaves. Imagine what millions of children around the world are facing as they work in sweatshops all day so we get cheap fashion. Imagine what women went through when they were legally considered to be the property of their white husbands.

Not sure you can really call Australian life 'unde siege'. Unless you are being tongue in cheek??
I can see why you are so confused. You make your conclusions based on feelz rather than evidence.

Just to set you right.

  • Slavery existed in Africa for centuries before the English got there
  • The British were the ones who abolished slavery
  • The 'old white guys' were the ones who modernised marriage so that women were not considered to be the property of their husbands, whereas the rest of the world that still holds this primitive belief.
 

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I haven't heard it so I can't comment on whether it was bullied because I'm not sure how it was said but I guarantee that if it was said about a male in caros position nothing at all would be made of it
You are not in a position to guarantee that.

Let's remove the names ....

The issue for me is ... radio jock(s) is not a fan of a particular journalist and the work they do. Not friends with said journalist, no relationship in which they banter with each other and no offense is taken.

Radio jocks on air make a joke about said journalist and how they would pay money to hold them under water and sell tickets to others to bomb the journalist from the sides. Most laugh and go on with it, one is misquoted and corrects themselves right away to say they wouldn't be up for that, another does have a professional relationship with said journalist and says they would be on that journalists side. So clearly, not all were comfortable with the conversation.

Now if this conversation was about a male journalist that they also disliked, would it be appropriate? No. Can we guarantee nobody would find it distasteful? I can't guarantee that. What if the male journalists took offense ... would anybody understand that it was bullying behaviour? I know I would understand it as it is the line of work I am in. Would I understand it without that person declaring their offense? I don't know. Does that make it less likely to be bullying? No.

All this goes to show is we have a long way to go, and in some ways thinking that the female is more likely to be offended, could be construed as sexist towards them, or to the male who you think has less right to be offended.

Me, I look at the underlying intent. If it is to ridicule someone you don't like, male or female, I reckon you've already lost.
 
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As Socrates posited, society is always in a constant battle against chaos (sic freedom). When freedom of speech may contribute to violence against a section of society then it must be moderated until that issue is redressed. Do you really need hate speech to make you laugh?
I think Goebbels made similar claims in the 30's
 

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To be honest, I actually didn't find McGuire's initial comments that bad. I think it started to become bad when the other guys joined in and it become a pack thing. Had it just ended with McGuire's initial comments, then I think it wouldn't have had the impact it ended up having (see Tony Shaw on 3AW).

Silly comments again though McGuire, for a man with his standing in the game, and a guy that is so media savvy and can get the media to pretty much run with what he wants, he really cocks it up a lot
 

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I don't think anyone does think a single campaign will solve everything.

But what would you think of a campaign that encouraged parents to tell their kids they throw like a girl? Would that make things better, worse, or have no effect?
Campaigns work much better to control more straight-forward behaviour: don't drink and drive, smoke etc. This is because the behaviour is quite simple, habits like this are often played out in public and peer pressure can therefore work really well.

Domestic violence is too often silent, the patterns of abuse can be complex and the contributing factors also complex. It is also much more highly concentrated in areas of poverty such as indigenous areas and lower socio-economic areas (not to say it doesn't happen in affluent areas of course). Due to often over-lapping mental health and substance abuse issues, the chances of any campaign championed in newspapers by middle-class journalists looking at the issue through a social science and gender studies prism - that primarily focuses on semantics - actually having an impact on the issue on the ground in these areas of need are pretty minuscule to say the least..... Calling out McGuire and his ilk and congratulating each other on how we don't speak like abusers makes us feel good in our terrace in Fitzroy while in Fitzroy Crossing the abuse goes on.

There is plenty of credible evidence that says the idea of gender as a social construct having a large impact on the way children see themselves is overstated but with my psychology background I certainly lean more towards the nature side of things rather than nurture (as best illustrated in the Norwegian gender documentary I linked to you in this thread earlier). It's a fantastic documentary that looks at the whole nature/nurture issue and the differences between social science and traditional science and gender and jobs and very interesting that Sascha Baron-Cohen's cousin is the preeminent researcher on early childhood gender-related issues in the world if nothing else :).
 
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Unfortunately Caro is an utterly despised figure in the AFL industry. She has relentlessly pursued certain figures, Hird, Brayshaw, ....and would not stop until their lively hoods and families were impacted.

She has called for people to be sacked, punished, sanctioned, fined. I think its time she stepped away and left us alone to enjoy our game without her crap.

The AFL landscape would be much better off without her in the industry.

As for the comments, slightly over the line depending on who you are as an individual. I didn't bat an eyelid when I first heard it but after it being analysed to death it seems a little worse than just a general joke.

I think the term "utterly despised" is being generous. I haven't heard a comment or article from her that doesn't involve some sort of petty gossip. As an AfL journalist she is bottom of the barrel, as a person I'm sure she is decent but her journalistic ability is pathetic.

Having said all that, the fact she seems to have got under the skin of so many people suggests if there is a ongoing 'war' she is winning.

Why can't Eddie and co. just ignore her? No need to stoop low enough to make comments like that. They should be better than that.
 
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if it was a couple of DJs having a crack, it would be banter. Bit different when it is two AFL club presidents, who wield a certain amount of power and influence. And Frawley o_O
Yeah I know. But I just don't care.

My hatred for Wilson overrides any sympathy I might have for her feeling in this matter.
 

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Just to clarify ...by your definition when Caro repeatedly slaged off Dane Swan over several years ..saying he should be sacked he's a terrible influence a drug addict etc etc ,because he wasn't there to banter with her when the comments were made ..would you classify that as bullying ?
On this point and this point only. I don't often agree with Luke Darcy but he said an interesting comment tonight.
That if it's about banter, context and a right of reply, there would be no football media industry.
 

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As another poster has indicated, the discussion was immediately shut down and an ad break was cut to on 3AW.

Didn't sound like 'good natured raillery' to me?
So sorry you are basing your argument upon what someone else indicated on a web forum, well enough said well played sir!
 

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To be honest, I actually didn't find McGuire's initial comments that bad. I think it started to become bad when the other guys joined in and it become a pack thing. Had it just ended with McGuire's initial comments, then I think it wouldn't have had the impact it ended up having (see Tony Shaw on 3AW).

Silly comments again though McGuire, for a man with his standing in the game, and a guy that is so media savvy and can get the media to pretty much run with what he wants, he really cocks it up a lot
yep
he offers cash to tip Caro in and its a little jibe and maybe for a good cause she does it.
Perhaps they even bond over it and bury the hatchet.

But it went downhill from there and Eddie being Eddie had to have the last word when it was already over the line.
 

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I'm a woman and i think it's all a storm in a teacup. Yes domestic violence or any violence towards women is abhorrent, but sorry carro, this doesn't qualify. Why was it ok for Tony shaw to say the same thing to you? I feel sorry that Neil Daniher's charity event has got stuck in the middle of it all. Next year this is all people are going to talk about rather than his cause.

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Just to clarify ...by your definition when Caro repeatedly slaged off Dane Swan over several years ..saying he should be sacked he's a terrible influence a drug addict etc etc ,because he wasn't there to banter with her when the comments were made ..would you classify that as bullying ?
She is a football journalist reporting on a football related issue. She didn't suggest Swan should be drowned hahahoho.

However she is fair game to be attacked for issues of professional integrity and truthfulness in what she writes. Did anybody do that?
 
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