Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

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if it was a couple of DJs having a crack, it would be banter. Bit different when it is two AFL club presidents, who wield a certain amount of power and influence. And Frawley o_O
Stupid comments made by all public people. Yes bit different from 2 djs to 2 AFL presidents and it's again a bit different when it's Caro, Shaw, Dwayne and whoever else is in the 3aw box.
I think that's what alot of people are thinking whilst still saying McGuire should be hung. I've said numerous times I still believe it all comes back to 2 people disliking each other.
 

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Good, lay it out mate. But I hope it's a well understood or researched opinion.
A good place to start is with Wittgenstein on communication, language and culture: "If a lion could speak, we wouldn't understand it."

The cultural differences between listener and speaker require people to fill in the blanks and infer meaning—sometimes where none is intended. I believe this to be the case with the clowns who get paid far too much money on the radio to share their unremarkable thoughts.

Their poorly chosen joke was not intended to be any more than such, but in my opinion likely reveals a contempt of Wilson they hold that isn't really a secret, but not something they'd shout from the rooftops again given the choice.

Was it inappropriate to joke about a fellow journalist being drowned and paying for the privilege? Of course.

Are jokes like that inappropriate given the public sentiment about addressing DV, and specifically, violence against women? Definitely.

Is it an example of institutional sexism and misogyny in the media or wider society? Only if you choose to believe that. Choose. Because if you draw definitive parallels from another person's words to a greater societal issue, you have to both assume you can know their psychology and then exclude all other interpretive options to arrive at that conclusion - see Wittgenstein above. If you do arrive at that conclusion, I would question the motivation as an ideological one and would point you towards Mannehiem's 'particular conception' of ideology and how it is used to dismiss opponent's arguments in an effort to deliberately misrepresent a situation for their own interests. It's my own opinion, but I don't subscribe to Marx's economic and social ideological concepts which fit the modern day 'SJW' mantra of oppression.

Interestingly, I would also agree with Durkheim who suggested that the study of sociology and social issues cannot be done without due acknowledgement of biases, if at all. Instead, an objective (as possible) viewpoint free of preconceptions for the viewer is required.

I can't claim to be free from preconceptions, because when people's reactions seem disproportionate and ideologically motivated, I become dismissive and disengaged. Having said that, I'd describe this whole incident and subsequent discussion as hypersensitive.
 
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Absolutely not, that is reporting and as someone made it evidently clear earlier comedians and reporters may say as they like (though they still can be sued).

However accusing someone of something slanderous and threatening to pay to kill someone (if even in jest) are very different things.

To make a fantasy on air where a difficult woman is held under water untill she drowns is reprehensible.

I hope you understand that.

ONE WOMAN DIES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE EVERY WEEK.
Yes and hundreds of men commit suicide every year because they are denied access to there children by vindictive women ...there is lots of bad shit goes on out there

But pal if he had actually as you so dramatically put it threatened to pay someone to kill someone on air
He would be up on conspiracy to murder charges ...stop being so hysterical
It was a stupid comment in poor taste.....that's it ..it wasn't a conspiracy to commit murder

And I do find it interesting that you consider what she said is part of her job because she's in the media

Are radio hosts not in the media too
As far as I know television,print press and radio are all media ..unsure how you make this distinction
 

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She is a football journalist reporting on a football related issue. She didn't suggest Swan should be drowned hahahoho.

However she is fair game to be attacked for issues of professional integrity and truthfulness in what she writes. Did anybody do that?
No not drowned, just slandered, sacked and out of a job when it's never been proven he is. Whilst we may all think we " know " he is, is writing our opinion reporting fact?
 

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So it's all about the loathing between her and him and she has hijacked a legitimate serious cause for her own revenge. Pathetic. I'm a woman. I'm anti violence against women. I'm disgusted she has used a trite situation to demean a legitimate cause. Many violent (and non violent) men will simply view this as a laugh and continue to deny a legitimate problem in society.

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Anybody with half a brain will realise that this is not actually about domestic violence or Caro, it is an attempt to smear Eddie by the AFL.

Why is the question ............ and the Northern academies is the answer.

The vehicle used is this faux outrage by the AFL is numero umero cryer of all AFL double speak - Caro.

That's why it took a week, some bright spark thought of it and provided that AFL a perfect trom to discredit him.

Have a guess what, Eddies sooking about the Northern academies is off the table - i will put money on it, he is to busy defending himself from a whole bunch of double speak
 
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Well as a woman i do like to be bossy or what you might call a b*tch.
I'm sorry maybe i should just sit down and let you men speak for me. I shouldn't have spoken without being asked to first. It was inappropriate
I have absolutely no problem with you being bossy and a bitch ..so long as you have no problems with me being bossy and a bastard
You know all thing being equal and all
 

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So it's all about the loathing between her and him and she has hijacked a legitimate serious cause for her own revenge. Pathetic. I'm a woman. I'm anti violence against women. I'm disgusted she has used a trite situation to demean a legitimate cause. Many violent (and non violent) men will simply view this as a laugh and continue to deny a legitimate problem in society.

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I don't think we read the same article.
 
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So it's all about the loathing between her and him and she has hijacked a legitimate serious cause for her own revenge. Pathetic. I'm a woman. I'm anti violence against women. I'm disgusted she has used a trite situation to demean a legitimate cause. Many violent (and non violent) men will simply view this as a laugh and continue to deny a legitimate problem in society.

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Sadly...that's certainly a possibility ...hope not
All violence in the home needs to be addressed I think we would find it would then spill over to a more peaceful society in general then ...you know address the root cause and not focus on this shit
 

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Anybody with half a brain will realise that this is not actually about domestic violence or Caro, it is an attempt to smear Eddie by the AFL.

Why is the question ............ and the Northern academies is the answer.

The vehicle used is this faux outrage by the AFL is numero umero cryer of all AFL double speak - Caro.

That's why it took a week, some bright spark thought of it and provided that AFL a perfect trom to discredit him.

Have a guess what, Eddies sooking about the Northern academies is off the table - i will put money on it, he is to busy defending himself from a whole bunch of double speak
No. That's not even close to any reason why this has happened. This post is dripping black and white stripes.
 

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If you do arrive at that conclusion, I would question the motivation as an ideological one and would point you towards Mannehiem's 'particular conception' of ideology and how it is used to dismiss opponent's arguments in an effort to deliberately misrepresent a situation for their own interests.
Interesting post. I think you hit the nail on the head above.

In the end, you average social engineering type doesn't really care about a particular issue. They are by nature a bossy boots - never happy unless everyone conform to their mode of thinking. Once they get a little win, they'll just move on to the next 'issue'. Supossed sexism, racism, classism etc.- they're rich veins to mine.
 

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A good place to start is with Wittgenstein on communication, language and culture: "If a lion could speak, we wouldn't understand it."

The cultural differences between listener and speaker require people to fill in the blanks and infer meaning—sometimes where none is intended. I believe this to be the case with the clowns who get paid far too much money on the radio to share their unremarkable thoughts.

Their poorly chosen joke was not intended to be any more than such, but in my opinion likely reveals a contempt of Wilson they hold that isn't really a secret, but not something they'd shout from the rooftops again given the choice.

Was it inappropriate to joke about a fellow journalist being drowned and paying for the privilege? Of course.

Are jokes like that inappropriate given the public sentiment about addressing DV, and specifically, violence against women? Definitely.

Is it an example of institutional sexism and misogyny in the media or wider society? Only if you choose to believe that. Choose. Because if you draw definitive parallels from another person's words to a greater societal issue, you have to both assume you can know their psychology and then exclude all other interpretive options to arrive at that conclusion - see Wittgenstein above. If you do arrive at that conclusion, I would question the motivation as an ideological one and would point you towards Mannehiem's 'particular conception' of ideology and how it is used to dismiss opponent's arguments in an effort to deliberately misrepresent a situation for their own interests. It's my own opinion, but I don't subscribe to Marx's economic and social ideological concepts which fit the modern day 'SJW' mantra of oppression.

Interestingly, I would also agree with Durkheim who suggested that the study of sociology and social issues cannot be done without due acknowledgement of biases, if at all. Instead, an objective (as possible) viewpoint free of preconceptions for the viewer is required.

I can't claim to be free from preconceptions, because when people's reactions seem disproportionate and ideologically motivated, I become dismissive and disengaged. Having said that, I'd describe this whole incident and subsequent discussion as hypersensitive.
OK here is your issue, you read way too much. People like Eddie appeal to other primal males who feel they have lost their way in an equalitarian society, a society where jokes about violence against any minority are not considered jokes.

Fortunately for him there many out there who still fit that mold. Fight Club watching types who have no idea how to be a man outside of being bullying, harassing, threatening and sadly violence.

Now the absurd thing is that without his contacts Eddie is about as threatening as your average pastry, but he mimics all the traits of his idol Kerry Packer, as does his lap dog (even though he despises Eddie) Brayshaw.

Frawley is just too dumb to know what he was getting into (yes Richmond you did make this man your coach) and noticeably both Barret during the dumb fest, and Carey after the break, were at pains to distance themselves from the circle jerk that is MMM.

Stop reading books and get into the realpolitik dude.
 
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Gerard Healy On the Couch was imo correct in saying it is the flow on effect to community.In part What was saying it is okay to harm another.This not about what their intent was ,it is about how their words affect the broader community.
 
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No. That's not even close to any reason why this has happened. This post is dripping black and white stripes.
You gotta look deeper mate, i don't even agree with Eddies stance on the Northern academies.

If you were an Essendon fan you might actually have some idea what Caro gets up to and what the AFL drip feed to her.

The Northern academies issue is the biggest in football, this is just a storm in a teacup - literally.
 

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If I had to list the top ten people I've met in my career that have mentored me and I admire 8 of them would be women.

The real truth is that most of them have told me they are feminist yet polarise my view over and over of what a feminist is. The other thing is they can't stand the women I thought were actual feminists.

I'm the lucky one who learn't this over a decade of working at C level in corporate organisations. If I can give you guys the summary of it all it is this.

McGuire's comments were a joke, yet so dumb that it is an insult for all the progression amazing women have fought for. It's not about these women being over sensitive believe me. It is about us as a society growing up and not allowing morons say these things. Kind of like how we have a zero tolerance for racism, the extreme view is how we respect am ugly past.

The fact the McGuire, Frawley and JB all let this slip without noticing demands an unpopular statement. We must act on the facts and that is these guys are so stupid they insult us all.
 
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No not drowned, just slandered, sacked and out of a job when it's never been proven he is. Whilst we may all think we " know " he is, is writing our opinion reporting fact?
This isn't hard. In her profession she wrote an article that may or may not have been based on fact. Do you a) publicly question her ethics, her professionalism, call her out to provide evidence and suggest that her employer dismiss her for doing her job poorly or b) publicly ridicule her in an area outside of that which you are upset with her about, and encourage others to do so as well.

I note in her response she acknowledges some of the critical articles she writes and and concedes she expects criticism in return, and moves on from it.
 

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Gerard Healy On the Couch was imo correct in saying it is the flow on effect to community.In part What was saying it is okay to harm another.This not about what their intent was ,it is about how their words affect the broader community.
and again i say, if he had said it about robbo would we be drawing those far out conclusions about how the community will interpret and act on those comments?

nobody is gonna think it's okay to drown a human being regardless of what eddie mcguire says
 
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I don't think we read the same article.
I concur.

Also very hard to hijack a cause when you weren't the first one to connect it, and commented some time after most people.

The only thing she finds sexist is the black widow comment which is in keeping with an ongoing schtick she says Eddie has had since the days when he hosted the Footy Show. I'm not sure anybody else is in a position to say how she should feel about the history there or whether she should suggest there are sexist undertones there.
 
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