Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

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I think I did ..kind of what my point was
McGuire didn't suggest she should be drowned .. said he would pay more if she didn't come up
Think it was Frawley who said he would hold her under
Hey maybe we should start a thread on Frawley.....I'm sure that would please you no end
Getting away from the point somewhat. He said if she stays under $50k. It's not the point as to someone holding her under, just the boys joke about her not coming up is enough. As to the others, the thread title should refer to the 3 of them.

Not sure what your point is though. None of this pleases me. I would rather have an open discussion about issues in general and not make it all about Eddie. I keep getting drawn back in by posts that are so far off the mark, they are insulting.
 

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As much as I have been shit-stirring because I find the reactions both funny and sad, I understand and am grateful there is a social balance which means we discuss issues from many perspectives.

Everything in moderation...
Totally this is all about surfacing these issues and making them mainstream, not 'shit we pretend never happens' as it was in my day. Kudos for participating.
 

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Yes .I see what you are saying calling Eddie out isn't dealing with the problems at all ,because at the end of the day he isn't actually abusing anyone ( that we know of ) and people doing the actual abusing don't give a shit about this circus
I don't know what the statistics for borderline personality disorder are in society ( pardon my ignorance but is it the newer term for sociopaths ?? ) but sociopaths in society are estimated to be males around 3-4% of the population and women around 1-2% ...that's alot of people with a complete lack of empathy running around in society
And it's not curable
The thing is that issue like Borderline Personality Disorder (which is different to sociopathy BTW) are not necessarily "curable" but, with a lot of resources and time, can be manged to a level that the individual with the problem is not causing damage to their innocent loved ones. It isn't sexy but the ONLY way to have a real impact on those suffering most from domestic abuse (indigenous Australians and the poor) is for much better resources to be put into getting more trained mental health professionals to assist the most affected communities and better infrastructure around these poorer communities to ensure that those abused are helped and that laws against abuse protect them.

Basically, we need more professionals in place to help on the ground, and better ways for the laws that we have developed over many years to protect abused individuals, to be enforced. Activists that instead focus on "calling out" and publicly shaming prominent males under the guise that it will help the overall cause should not be supported: they add little to helping the age-old human problem that is domestic abuse.

Humans who live side by side can unfortunately abuse each other. That is the way it with us as a species. We know it gets worse when other factors like poverty, substance abuse and religion are added and the law also contributes to this. There isn't an "epidemic" now as compared to other times. It is actually at its lowest point in human history in places like Australia. It is just that advancements we have made in the way of the law, ease of divorce and public attitudes still aren't being felt in our most vulnerable communities. All the media circuses in the world calling out prominent males like Eddie won't change a thing, in fact these circuses only give people like Erin Riley more attention, make people in inner-city communities feel good about themselves for being so enlightened in the way they speak while distracting us all from the real areas of need that are simply put in the too-hard basket to fix.

It's a disgrace really.
 
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Even Gilligan admitted that the whole system Fked up not picking this one up sooner, and that's a tick for him. And I agree Eddie is such a dumb, old world dinosaur that it is to some extent it's to be expected of him.

But do we just let statements like that go? Like when Arthur Tunstall said, when asked about having indigenous fighter box for Australia replied, "We need people who know how to use a knife and fork."

I mean really Eddie has made comments of racist, homophobic and now tacitly encouraged violence towards women content; all while being the chairman of one the most powerful clubs in our competition.

He is a buffoon, or is he? He needs to make a choice, club chairman or knockabout racist, homophobic, sexist tool.

MMM I wonder which one he will chose, or does he have a choice? Is he just a tool?
Judging by the media storm It most certainly hasn't been let go
He's not advocating violence toward women
He's making ill-conceived comments about a rival in the media who happens to be a woman ...there is a difference there ..it's personal not gender related in my opinion
 

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Holden thinking about discontinuing their sponsorship arrangement with Collingwood. Rightly so
Way way more cases of violence against women will occur after the unemployment that comes from the collapse of the Australian Car Industry than will result from a bad joke.

Holden should look after their own backyard.
 

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Can someone come up with a list of jokes Eddie has made about killing people?

Can we get a list of the people he has joked about killing?

If it is extensive then he has a point.

If it is just Caroline Wilson then he is very specific with his jokes.
 

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Ahh, so theres a difference between the comments made on 3AW, where Caroline works, and Triple M, an organisation who employs people that openly despise her and vice versa.

Extraordinary nanny state we live, amazing. We just pick and choose when, and who we're offended by.
Yeah im confused wasnt she on 3aw? And didnt this happen a week ago? Over reaction much
 
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Well to be honest I'm not even sure how to reply as I don't fully understand the point you're trying to make. So if that makes me dumber than you and " it's too hard " for me so be it. I think you're meshing alot of different points all in together to suit your discussion.
Interestingly your opening line of " This isn't hard " towards me could be taken as points you raised in option b about ridicule, so probably best to leave it there.
You jumped in on a previous discussion that suggested that Caro's articles on Swan could be classed as bullying because he wasn't in the same room with her for her to call it banter.

I pointed out her articles are written in the professional journalist space in which she exists and she is open to criticism based on what she writes. Jokes about her drowning do not constitute a fair retort to what she writes as a professional journalist.

You quoted me and focused purely on the slanderous aspect of her writing.

I have again been forced to re-state that she is fair game for criticism for the things she writes. She concedes that herself.

I'm really not sure what you were questioning in the first place. I'm also not sure saying 'this isn't hard' constitutes ridicule along the lines of option b.

I'm just not sure what I was supposed to do with being challenged on something I had already given the answer for, that's all.
 

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Judging by the media storm It most certainly hasn't been let go
He's not advocating violence toward women
He's making ill-conceived comments about a rival in the media who happens to be a woman ...there is a difference there ..it's personal not gender related in my opinion
Well I won't argue that point as it's your opinion. But one thing I will say is I am so happy that our society has got to the point where this IS a major issue. We should be over reacting to any media which could be considered to promote violence against women.

The year when not one women dies at the hands of her partner, boy friend or creepy admirer will be a joyous year; though sadly their deaths are just the tip of the ice berg.

We need to accept this isn't the lucky country for tens of thousands of women who are beaten, abused and destroyed every single day of their lives. If our general cultural malaise contributes to this then I stand ashamed.
 
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The thing is that issue like Borderline Personality Disorder (which is different to sociopathy BTW) are not necessarily "curable" but, with a lot of resources and time, can be manged to a level that the individual with the problem is not causing damage to their innocent loved ones. It isn't sexy but the ONLY way to have a real impact on those suffering most from domestic abuse (indigenous Australians and the poor) is for much better resources to be put into getting more trained mental health professionals to assist the most affected communities and better infrastructure around these poorer communities to ensure that those abused are helped and that laws against abuse protect them.

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Humans who live side by side can unfortunately abuse each other. That is the way it with us as a species. We know it gets worse when other factors like poverty, substance abuse and religion are added and the law also contributes to this. There isn't an "epidemic" now as compared to other times. It is actually at its lowest point in human history in places like Australia. It is just that advancements we have made in the way of the law, ease of divorce and public attitudes still aren't being felt in our most vulnerable communities. All the media circuses in the world calling out prominent males like Eddie won't change a thing, in fact these circuses only give people like Erin Riley more attention, make people in inner-city communities feel good about themselves for being so enlightened in the way they speak while distracting us all from the real areas of need that are simply put in the too-hard basket to fix.

It's a disgrace really.
Thank you for advising there is a difference between borderline personality disorder and sociopaths
And yes sadly the funding isn't there and I fear is going to get less in the near future
It is an on going generational problem that seems to go around in circles
I hope as a society we have the conviction and determination to really deal with this problem instead of getting just the faux outrage around the edges

I fear we are a deeply flawed species
 
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Getting away from the point somewhat. He said if she stays under $50k. It's not the point as to someone holding her under, just the boys joke about her not coming up is enough. As to the others, the thread title should refer to the 3 of them.

Not sure what your point is though. None of this pleases me. I would rather have an open discussion about issues in general and not make it all about Eddie. I keep getting drawn back in by posts that are so far off the mark, they are insulting.
My point was subversive ....please ignore
 

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So sorry you are basing your argument upon what someone else indicated on a web forum, well enough said well played sir!
I intentionally referenced another poster for fear of being labelled a misogynist for stealing someone else's idea and taking credit for it. (As per the link to a Psychology Today article in page 29 of this thread).

Sometimes one cannot win...
 
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Are they seriously going to dedicate half of Footy Classified to this? How much further up their own rectums can they go?
It's a complete joke, apparently this is life changing news, who really gives a stuff about these self centred larger then life in there own minds floggos. Over the top crap.
 
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