Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

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Devil's advocate - many see Caro's position as a 'convenient' position to take.
Based on what? Their own idea of what humour is and how it should be taken?

Answer me this Fadge, do you agree that Eddie doesn't particularly like Caro?

If you think that his comments about her staying underwater is just a joke, how do the follow up comments about her to Barrett immediately after fit into this joke? Is there any room in your thinking that there was malice in his words?
 

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Let's face it, the sort of person who is prone to violence toward any gender isn't going to have some sort of epiphany about their issues having seen this crap all over the Herald Sun.

Meanwhile, the majority of people who aren't violent, don't consider women inferior and have no urges to smack their other halves are now being lumped into the same category and labeled as enablers of DV and violence against women, all because they aren't suitably angry and offended by McGuire and co and calling them sexist misogynists.

End results are comments of "PC bullshit".
Don't get so defensive.

Pointing out that someone doesn't get it isn't lumping them in with abusers.

It is just pointing out they don't get it.

What annoys me is the continual reference to the entirely different context of the 3AW exchange.

Chalk one up to Eddie for his weasel tactic getting in front of the issue and muddying the waters instead of giving a proper apology.
 
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Actually there's quite a few women leading the fight back. Christina Hoff Sommers being one among many leading the charge.

Destroys your narrative somewhat.
Hang on. She takes on a rather extreme man hating type of feminism. She address factual errors and double standards in the movement.

To that I say ... bravo. Fantastic. It is the outliers in all arguments that need to be showed back in their box.

This has very little to do with this argument. Understanding or seeing bullying or even perceiving sexism in this specific issue is not feminism. I'm not sure why we are going down this track.
 

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Actually there's quite a few women leading the fight back. Christina Hoff Sommers being one among many leading the charge.

Destroys your narrative somewhat.
I don't reckon. Family violence is a massive issue at the moment that is increasing in awareness. This thread shows there's a long way to go in footy.
 

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Based on what? Their own idea of what humour is and how it should be taken?

Answer me this Fadge, do you agree that Eddie doesn't particularly like Caro?

If you think that his comments about her staying underwater is just a joke, how do the follow up comments about her to Barrett immediately after fit into this joke? Is there any room in your thinking that there was malice in his words?
Based on the fact the theme on both 3AW and MMM were identical.

To answer your question, I think the feelings are mutual between Caro and Eddie. This is why many consider she has taken a very convenient position.

In my opinion, on a scale of 1 to 100 on whatever scale you'd like the incidents to be graded on, the 3AW incident would be a 10 whilst the MMM incident would be a 20. They can not reasonably be graded as 1 and 50, for example.

So why then has one incident in the eyes of the recipient been made into a mountain whilst the other is less than a mole hill?
 

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Hang on. She takes on a rather extreme man hating type of feminism. She address factual errors and double standards in the movement.

To that I say ... bravo. Fantastic. It is the outliers in all arguments that need to be showed back in their box.

This has very little to do with this argument. Understanding or seeing bullying or even perceiving sexism in this specific issue is not feminism. I'm not sure why we are going down this track.
She does many things, including what you mentioned.

I brought her up as an example to someone who said it's only male trolls who are railing against this "PC" culture around the world, thus her relevance as an example of a non male troll stands. Her feminism views have no relevance to why I mentioned her.
 

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I don't reckon. Family violence is a massive issue at the moment that is increasing in awareness. This thread shows there's a long way to go in footy.
Linking a subjective joke to family violence...

This is why more and more people are railing against mindsets like yours.

You're creating a counter movement of women and men.
 

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I await having to address the same point yet again, when someone else drops a lazy link as though they have somehow found the holy grail.
Exactly. Drives people nuts all over BF. Every person repeating the same sound bite they just heard as if it is a solid gold thread closer.

THEN claiming that anyone who responds is just feeding the outrage machine.

Can people PLEASE read threads and take part in the conversation instead of treating it like a one way medium.
 

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Linking a subjective joke to family violence...

This is why more and more people are railing against mindsets like yours.

You're creating a counter movement of women and men.
The thing that's even funnier is people carry on saying Violence Against Woman is a serious issue calling for Eddie to lose his job etc and then you see them retweeting @TitusORiley treating the whole thing like one big joke.

Disclaimer: I have no issue with Titus tweets personally but the people so upset at Eddie for joking around about violence against woman are endorsing someone who is making a mockery out of the whole issue
 

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For the amount of flak Mcguire is taking, why is nothing directed at Brayshaw.

Isn't he just as complicit ?
He apologised with some sincerity.

Eddie took three attempts before it seemed sincere.



Brayshaw also offered his apologies on Triple M on Monday afternoon.

“I was part of an on-air conversation during the Queen’s Birthday broadcast where things were said that were both inappropriate and unacceptable,” Brayshaw said.

“I offer my sincere, unreserved and unqualified apology.

“Respect for women and their role in both football and society is of vital importance. As leaders, we need to be very, very aware of this.

“We let ourselves down during the broadcast in this crucial area last week. I know Ed and Danny have already apologised and it is absolutely appropriate that I do too.”
 

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Based on the fact the theme on both 3AW and MMM were identical.

To answer your question, I think the feelings are mutual between Caro and Eddie. This is why many consider she has taken a very convenient position.

In my opinion, on a scale of 1 to 100 on whatever scale you'd like the incidents to be graded on, the 3AW incident would be a 10 whilst the MMM incident would be a 20. They can not reasonably be graded as 1 and 50, for example.

So why then has one incident in the eyes of the recipient been made into a mountain whilst the other is less than a mole hill?
Honestly, you are being biased and ignorant out of your support for Collingwood and Eddie. Am I right? Do you like Eddie?

They are different because the 3AW incident occurred whilst Wilson was in the room, sitting next to the participants who she regards as friends. She regards Eddie and the rest of his crew as an enemy, as do they. That is a massive difference that can not even be argued and sounds silly when it is attempted to be portrayed as the same thing. It is an extreme fundamental difference. Imagine your friend calling you a "cock-head" while drinking and you all have a laugh, now imagine someone at the bar that you don't know calling you a cock-head....is it so funny then? Of course not.

Eddie is in the wrong here. I like Eddie, always have, but for the first time I have now realized the side everyone talks about. I can not imagine how he is in person, with that red face he gets when he loses. Suck it up, he is in the wrong. It may not have been sexist, but it was definitely, without a doubt, absolutely malicious. He just goes on and on, even after the holding her under comment. It is most definitely done in poor taste. There is no arguing this fact.
 
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For the amount of flak Mcguire is taking, why is nothing directed at Brayshaw.

Isn't he just as complicit ?
Almost. Eddie raised it, JB jumped in eagerly. Eddie was driving the continuation though and Eddie has some form for inappropriate remarks. It gets reduced to Eddie and his boys, rather than Eddie, JB and Spud as a result.
 

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Cheers I didn't realise that

Although i notice he didn't apologise until Ed and Frawley had, unsurprising as he follows Mcguires lead in everything

Listening to Slobbo on 360 saying the AFL have let down all women in Australia, FMD they are riding the bandwagon hard

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Honestly, you are being biased and ignorant out of your support for Collingwood and Eddie. Am I right? Do you like Eddie?

They are different because the 3AW incident occurred whilst Wilson was in the room, sitting next to the participants who she regards as friends. She regards Eddie and the rest of his crew as an enemy, as do they. That is a massive difference that can not even be argued and sounds silly when it is attempted to be portrayed as the same thing. It is an extreme fundamental difference. Imagine your friend calling you a "cock-head" while drinking and you all have a laugh, now imagine someone at the bar that you don't know calling you a cock-head....is it so funny then? Of course not.

Eddie is in the wrong here. I like Eddie, always have, but for the first time I have now realized the side everyone talks about. I can not imagine how he is in person, with that red face he gets when he loses. Suck it up, he is in the wrong. It may not have been sexist, but it was definitely, without a doubt, absolutely malicious. He just goes on and on, even after the holding her under comment. It is most definitely done in poor taste. There is no arguing this fact.
This argument has been posed ad-nauseum, and I along with many others disagree that the incidents were so vastly different that one is completely disregarded whilst the other has many calling for the end to someone's career.
 
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Cheers I didn't realise that

Although i notice he didn't apologise until Ed and Frawley had, unsurprising as he follows Mcguires lead in everything

Listening to Slobbo on 360 saying the AFL have let down all women in Australia, FMD they are riding the bandwagon hard
Publicly. Do we know he had not offered a personal apolgy which is the one that counts
 

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Linking a subjective joke to family violence...

This is why more and more people are railing against mindsets like yours.

You're creating a counter movement of women and men.
It's not a joke, it's indicative of the casual attitudes around violence and especially violence against women that allow for that violence to exist.
 

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Almost. Eddie raised it, JB jumped in eagerly. Eddie was driving the continuation though and Eddie has some form for inappropriate remarks. It gets reduced to Eddie and his boys, rather than Eddie, JB and Spud as a result.
Whilst I disagree with the amount of outrage the incident has caused, i am fed up to the back teeth with the old boys club mentality that is the AFL.

It seems any player now qualifies for a job as a commentator or tee vee presenter, they back each other no matter what. You only have to listen to the dribble concerning EFC they come up with, portraying the club and players as victims of a conspiracy by ASADA/WADA?McDevitt.

I will say again Ed cant wear the 2 hats, club presidents dont call games or host radio segments. Its a massive conflict of interest
 
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