Eddie McGuire Newsflash: Clubs own the AFL!

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Response to AA's questioning of Collingwood comments on the Shane O'Bree "incident".
"Nor will Collingwood be gagged and treated as if we are a necessary inconvenience. It is about time people started to realise football clubs own the AFL, and we are not stakeholders or subsidiaries."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25362318-19742,00.html

Now, I agree with this comment, but we have to be consistent with these ideas.
If Eddie were reading this, I would ask him, as a Port Adelaide supporter.
"If there was a referendum, and 11 of the 16 clubs (ie 2/3 majority) voted to allow Port Adelaide to wear the Prison Bar Guernsey as their home strip, would you accept the decision from the owners?
or
"If there was a referendum, and 11 of the 16 clubs (ie 2/3 majority) voted to open up the Anzac Day game to all teams on a rotation basis, would you accept the decision from the owners?
etc
etc
What other things can the owners of the AFL do?
 

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Do you have a link?


I agree with Eddie....i've always been under the impression that the commission was setup by the clubs to run the game on behalf of the clubs?

Now the AFL seem to think they are the supreme rulers and can push the clubs around?
 

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This sounds a lot like the ICC and the Sub-Continent countries having control over everything. All the Victorian clubs would band together and ruin the comp for the interstate teams if it actually worked like this.

I think the only way you could make it work is if all 16 clubs were unanimous
 

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Clubs "own" the AFL in exactly the same way as the athletes "own" the Olympic Games ! Not at all ! Eddie is delusional (more than usual) if he thinks that they do !
 

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Cheers Tess:thumbsu:

Just read the article and everything he says is spot on!

I am glad we have presidents like Eddie and Kennett who are not afraid to tell the AFL dictators exactly how it is. Eddie, Jeff and a few media commentators (the non-sycophants like Thomas) have started to sense the vibes of discontent from the players and fans as to where the game is heading and are now starting to speak out.

Haven't heard much from the other 14 presidents but i hope they jump on board!!!!
 

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Clubs "own" the AFL in exactly the same way as the athletes "own" the Olympic Games ! Not at all ! Eddie is delusional (more than usual) if he thinks that they do !
I think you are correct unfortunetly!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Commission

The AFL Commission is responsible for the administration of the AFL competition and is the "keeper of the code". There are eight members that comprise the AFL Commission, including a Chairman and Chief executive officer. Commissioners are elected by the 16 AFL clubs, who each are entitled to make nominations. Should an election be necessary, then the membership is decided by a vote of the AFL clubs.

The AFL Commission has set policy and has directed the AFL (known then as the VFL) since December 1985. In 1993 it assumed national governance of the sport (see Principle 2 below) following the earlier disbanding of the Australian National Football Council. At the same time, control of the AFL passed from the AFL Board of Directors (effectively the 16 AFL clubs) to the Commission[1], with the abolition of the Board of Directors and adoption of new Memorandum and Articles of Association for the AFL. This was a significant change of power as previously the Commission required explicit approval by the League (teams) for major items, such as further Expansion, Mergers, Relocations, Major Capital Works and similar items.
 
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Cheers Tess:thumbsu:

Just read the article and everything he says is spot on!

I am glad we have presidents like Eddie and Kennett who are not afraid to tell the AFL dictators exactly how it is. Eddie, Jeff and a few media commentators (the non-sycophants like Thomas) have started to sense the vibes of discontent from the players and fans as to where the game is heading and are now starting to speak out.

Haven't heard much from the other 14 presidents but i hope they jump on board!!!!
Bloody oath, the majority of posters on this forum don't realise how much worse off the AFL would be if it were not for these two. For starters, the AFL would treat clubs like shit, even more so than it already does.
 

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I think you are correct unfortunetly!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Commission

The AFL Commission is responsible for the administration of the AFL competition and is the "keeper of the code". There are eight members that comprise the AFL Commission, including a Chairman and Chief executive officer. Commissioners are elected by the 16 AFL clubs, who each are entitled to make nominations. Should an election be necessary, then the membership is decided by a vote of the AFL clubs.

The AFL Commission has set policy and has directed the AFL (known then as the VFL) since December 1985. In 1993 it assumed national governance of the sport (see Principle 2 below) following the earlier disbanding of the Australian National Football Council. At the same time, control of the AFL passed from the AFL Board of Directors (effectively the 16 AFL clubs) to the Commission[1], with the abolition of the Board of Directors and adoption of new Memorandum and Articles of Association for the AFL. This was a significant change of power as previously the Commission required explicit approval by the League (teams) for major items, such as further Expansion, Mergers, Relocations, Major Capital Works and similar items.
So Eddie got it wrong!
 

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I think you are correct unfortunetly!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Commission

The AFL Commission is responsible for the administration of the AFL competition and is the "keeper of the code". There are eight members that comprise the AFL Commission, including a Chairman and Chief executive officer. Commissioners are elected by the 16 AFL clubs, who each are entitled to make nominations. Should an election be necessary, then the membership is decided by a vote of the AFL clubs.

The AFL Commission has set policy and has directed the AFL (known then as the VFL) since December 1985. In 1993 it assumed national governance of the sport (see Principle 2 below) following the earlier disbanding of the Australian National Football Council. At the same time, control of the AFL passed from the AFL Board of Directors (effectively the 16 AFL clubs) to the Commission[1], with the abolition of the Board of Directors and adoption of new Memorandum and Articles of Association for the AFL. This was a significant change of power as previously the Commission required explicit approval by the League (teams) for major items, such as further Expansion, Mergers, Relocations, Major Capital Works and similar items.

yep and mike fitzpatrick is the head of the afl and not big vlad.
 

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I think you are correct unfortunetly!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Commission

The AFL Commission is responsible for the administration of the AFL competition and is the "keeper of the code". There are eight members that comprise the AFL Commission, including a Chairman and Chief executive officer. Commissioners are elected by the 16 AFL clubs, who each are entitled to make nominations. Should an election be necessary, then the membership is decided by a vote of the AFL clubs.

The AFL Commission has set policy and has directed the AFL (known then as the VFL) since December 1985. In 1993 it assumed national governance of the sport (see Principle 2 below) following the earlier disbanding of the Australian National Football Council. At the same time, control of the AFL passed from the AFL Board of Directors (effectively the 16 AFL clubs) to the Commission[1], with the abolition of the Board of Directors and adoption of new Memorandum and Articles of Association for the AFL. This was a significant change of power as previously the Commission required explicit approval by the League (teams) for major items, such as further Expansion, Mergers, Relocations, Major Capital Works and similar items.
Unfortunately the clubs including Collingwood handed their ownership over. Now there are many, many ways in which the AFL acts against the interests of individual clubs to promote what, in their view, is the higher interest of the competition - as set by the Commission and implemented by AD and his cronies. Until or unless the more powerful clubs join the rest in doing anything about it, which would be fun to watch, this is just more bluster. Collingwood has to suck up the "please explains" like other clubs have to suck up scheduling and everyone has to suck up the funds distribution (clubs earn almost all the money, the AFL hands a little bit back and keeps the rest to pay for itself and its future plans).
 

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If anything Eddie and Jeff harm the game, constantly coming out and saying just stupid things when a smart president would just bring it up at the next meeting of the presidents. Having club presidents come out and blast the AFL does not help, but actually going through all the right and already set up methods to get change is far more effective.
 

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Clubs "own" the AFL in exactly the same way as the athletes "own" the Olympic Games ! Not at all ! Eddie is delusional (more than usual) if he thinks that they do !
Delusional? If the 16 clubs said they want every commissioner and AFL administrator removed and a constitution adopted that ensured every decision had to be ratified by a meeting of the clubs it would be done.

Club own the AFL in the same way members own clubs. They can’t sell their interest but as a group they can change whatever they want to change.

It’s good to see that finally a club has come out and said what the AFL don’t want said. The commission was introduced at the initiative of the clubs and can be removed or curtailed by the same process.
 

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If anything Eddie and Jeff harm the game, constantly coming out and saying just stupid things when a smart president would just bring it up at the next meeting of the presidents. Having club presidents come out and blast the AFL does not help, but actually going through all the right and already set up methods to get change is far more effective.
‘Cause that really achieves a lot! These smart presidents are the ones that achieve their goals. The AFL reacts to public issues and deals with issue through public forums. The AFL act and react in this way and are dealt with accordingly.
 

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Response to AA's questioning of Collingwood comments on the Shane O'Bree "incident".
"Nor will Collingwood be gagged and treated as if we are a necessary inconvenience. It is about time people started to realise football clubs own the AFL, and we are not stakeholders or subsidiaries."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25362318-19742,00.html

Now, I agree with this comment, but we have to be consistent with these ideas.
If Eddie were reading this, I would ask him, as a Port Adelaide supporter.
"If there was a referendum, and 11 of the 16 clubs (ie 2/3 majority) voted to allow Port Adelaide to wear the Prison Bar Guernsey as their home strip, would you accept the decision from the owners?
or
"If there was a referendum, and 11 of the 16 clubs (ie 2/3 majority) voted to open up the Anzac Day game to all teams on a rotation basis, would you accept the decision from the owners?
etc
etc
What other things can the owners of the AFL do?
So under your mentality lets say that west sydney wanted to join the AFL and be called The Power and wear black white and teal, Port Adelaide would not have a problem with this ???

At the end of the day port is a minority club in the AFL and holds little or no political clout with the AFL.
 

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If anything Eddie and Jeff harm the game, constantly coming out and saying just stupid things when a smart president would just bring it up at the next meeting of the presidents. Having club presidents come out and blast the AFL does not help, but actually going through all the right and already set up methods to get change is far more effective.
What a complete load of horsesh1t! IF it wasn't for presidents like Eddie using the media, Sydney and Brisbane would still be winning every 2nd premiership with the benefit their Salary Cap Excemptions, 7.5% and 15% extra respectively to cover the 'cost of living':rolleyes:

The AFL didn't want to listen to the presidents behind close doors or using the 'already setup methods'. The AFL were happy with the Northern exposure!
 

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So under your mentality lets say that west sydney wanted to join the AFL and be called The Power and wear black white and teal, Port Adelaide would not have a problem with this ???

At the end of the day port is a minority club in the AFL and holds little or no political clout with the AFL.
:rolleyes:

You might want to try actually reading the original post and applying a little something called "comprehension". If you're able.
 

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At the end of the day, its is the clubs and its players that draw people to the games. They are the AFL's biggest assets.

If any other organisation were to treat its staff the way the AFL treats its clubs and players then the whole place would strike.

The AFL practices censorship, gives clubs no say and changes the rules every year. Imagine an organisation did this.


Hate Eddie, you are entitled to...but you have to admit that this current administration is destroying the fabrics of our game.
 
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the club is bigger than the individual
the game (AFL competition) is bigger than the club

that is why an independent commission was set up - to act in the best interests of the game as a whole rather than individual or a small group of clubs

if the majority of clubs are not happy, they have power to vote out the commission

that is why eddie is wrong, and on his own, again
 

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So under your mentality lets say that west sydney wanted to join the AFL and be called The Power and wear black white and teal, Port Adelaide would not have a problem with this ???

At the end of the day port is a minority club in the AFL and holds little or no political clout with the AFL.
You obviously missed the point dipstick. Port have as much clout as all other clubs in the AFL, including yes the cows.
 
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