Eddie McGuire Newsflash: Clubs own the AFL!

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Well said Eddie.

Whats with the articles title? Is is supposed to mean Collingwood fix your attitude or Collingwood fix the AFL's attitude? Terrible title that doesnt fit the article... nice work HUN!
 

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A few points...

Eddie/Cwood are in a position to say these things. It's not balls but money/power that Cwood represents that the AFL has to listen to. There would be a few more clubs like that, but the rest wont imo because they're relying on money, exemptions, etc from the AFL. Biting the hand that feeds them if they did.

The AFL owns all the guernseys, logos, nicknames of clubs, so it would seem they cant really fracture off and start their own comp. Especially if half or more of the clubs are relying on AFL funding/exemptions.

However, I wonder if this is the beginning of a movement, where more and more dissension starts growing and we see talk about a Super League. It may not be actual clubs, but more of an administrative revolution (interstate comps, the commission itself, or an AFL internal shake-up, etc).

I dont particularly like Eddie, or Vic centricity, or the sooking favoritism they get, but I detest the AFL/Commission/AA/AD far more, and it's well-noted by everyone they're ruining the game, etc. Not just rules, but even with things like expansion, and breakdown of genuine competitiveness when they hand expansion teams so much help and draft compensations, flags. Throwing hundreds of millions into a dead West Sydney that jeopardizes stalwart Vic clubs, disses Tasmania, etc.
 

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Eddie said:
"We want to get it back to a game where the footballers are the stars and the object is getting to the ball first, instead of players staging for free kicks, and hysteria reigning supreme."
It seems that Eddie and Jeff are on the same page as the fans. :thumbsu:
 

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The AFL owns all the guernseys, logos, nicknames of clubs, so it would seem they cant really fracture off and start their own comp. Especially if half or more of the clubs are relying on AFL funding/exemptions.
I keep hearing this hut I still struggle to buy it.

Put a club with a Magpie logo and a black and white striped jumper in a new competition called NAFL and what do you really think the AFL can do? Ban all clubs at all levels from wearing black and white stripes or using a magpie logo?

Which Collingwood jumper do the AFL own? The 1070’s one with a collar? The 1990 black on white? The 2009 night series jumper? Every one ever worn or to be worn? Any variant of black and white stripes including Port Magpies? Which way is the Magpie facing in the logo the AFL own? How is their ownership recognised?

By what legally valid mechanism did Collingwood hand over ownership and how does the AFL obtain and maintain rights to the name of Collingwood? There would have been other sporting clubs and even possibly junior football clubs called Collingwood over the years.

The one I have really wondered about is whether Collingwood Football Club actually had the power to give away any of these things in the first place?

It is all academic anyway. What money would the AFL use to fund challenges and to what end if the clubs did break away and effectively take the TV money with them?
However, I wonder if this is the beginning of a movement, where more and more dissension starts growing and we see talk about a Super League. It may not be actual clubs, but more of an administrative revolution (interstate comps, the commission itself, or an AFL internal shake-up, etc).
If anything it would be the latter but it would take someone to lead the charge. If that is Eddie then the cynicism will be deafening.
 

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As a Port Adelaide Power supporter you would know that it was a condition of joining the AFL that you had to change your colours and mascot or did you think they just wanted a change and a fresh start
As a Port Adelaide supporter, I know and agree with what you have written.

As a Collingwood supporter, if you read and understood ALL of the OP, if the clubs, as owners of the AFL, voted 15/16 to allow Port Adelaide to wear the Prison Bars, would you accede or go running to the AFL for assistance and support?
 

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I did read it and it was just subterfuge to have another pointless discussion about Port wearing prison bars which no-one really cares about.
It was the Collingwood president making a point, I am a Port Adelaide supporter making a comment, I provided a debating point that linked our two clubs to emphasise how ridiculous Eddie's comment was.

"The clubs own the AFL" - but they would go bleating to the AFL if something went against them from the other clubs!

I also mentioned the Anzac Day game - again because it is an issue where the Collingwood president would have a vested interest in.

If you can't see that logic, then that's your issue. I know that you are obsessed with Port Adelaide, for someone who claims "not to care", you have an awful lot of comment on stuff "you don't care about".
 

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ABOUT TIME!! For those of you who are against the clubs FINALLY standing up for themselves, against the rubbish we have endured for moreso the last five years. You really don't understand. There is no use explaining it to you, because if it is as obvious as I see it to be, the ones that stay unconvinced, are either not looking hard enough, or are incapable as much as anyone tries to convince them otherwise.

Couple of points though, those who say the next administration will be worse than "these two", how do you expect anyone to respect that view, when the new "these two" are not even on the horizon yet. How do you know that another "these two" couldn't of done better in the same time, answer, YOU CAN'T, you can't possibly know the other options, when "these two" have taken the helm for so long.

The game is good, because it is a good game. More people are walking away from AFL than ever, and they whinge and moan to supporters to get paid up. Well I will get paid up, next year, (as I am already this year) when you get some decent blokes to run the AFL, not some dictator and his puppet. And for the Pies, they have to get rid of that other dictator in Malthouse, THEN and only THEN will we have a real great game on our hands.

Great Eddie, your a champ, you keep the bastards honest, and consistent, because the other presidents are piss weak to do so. Apart from Kennett, who seems to be weighing in as well. I hope that is the winds of change I hear, because it is overdue.

And for those who sarcastically say what the other 16 clubs will do, to all the interestate teams, or allowing Port to wear Prison Stripes!! Thats the thing, everything is open for discussion. Some things should not be open for discussion. The possibility of change, is taboo in the eyes of our past legends of the game. But who listens to them anymore, they are dead, old, or not up with todays game to have any input, according to the AFL. The clubs are even treated as too stupid to have an input to some of the decisions.

They are put in a corner, and told to shut up. And some with guts, are BOUND to stand up and say, No I won't shut up. In every other aspect in life, the more ideas from the people who "DO" not "think" these ideas up. Politicians of this counrty, no matter how well they are going, has a competitor, that comes and rally's for the position every four years. They can't be bought, or bullied into not do another campaign, they are a thing that occurs, because it has to occur, or you get dictatorship. NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

Changes are just thrust on the clubs, like a brand on the arse of a cow. This is called a dictatorship, I am one that believes that majority of 16 clubs, is much more safer to implement, than the ideas of "these two" that haven't even played the game at its highest level, and don't fully understand it. They are business men, with us all in the palm of their hand. Supporters are angry, and leaving the game, or wished to god they had the guts to leave the game, but probably never will, clubs being OWNED by the AFL, because they feel they owe them for giving them OUR money. Umpires that are taking on the same attidude, that eveyone will just STFU, and do wha their told.

To all these people, who don't like rocking boats, and wished we would all quieten down, and respect "these two", my and alot of other people around here, and in the media, and old past players, that are sick of trying to be heard, the answer is NO, we will quieten down, when and if this competition, gets its act together, until then, don't even try to say we are wrong, because there is a steamroller of people, that don't believe you, and for all we care, you can join a big flowery AA and AD bandwagon, so I can abuse it, and question the heads of those on board.
 

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McGuire said the Pies had concerns about players being suspended for minor issues.
"This is exactly the stuff we are worried about at the moment - footballers getting rubbed out as if it's no big deal," he said.

"We want to get it back to a game where the footballers are the stars and the object is getting to the ball first, instead of players staging for free kicks, and hysteria reigning supreme."


I 100% agree with Eddie on the above points.
The focus of weekly discussions on footy arent about the on field feats anymore. Its about umpires, tribuneral decisions, stadium deals, off field player behaviour being blown out of proportion by the media and AFL.
Whilst all these other "footy dicussions" are going on whats happening on the field and at the tribuneral are nothing short of discraceful.
Im right there with you Eddie, my club is being equally screwed with reports and tribuneral decisions.
I dont blame my club for not making a big deal as we are in the position of asking the AFL for assistance at the moment.
Who is going to hold AD and AA accountable for what is happening, it looks like its going to be Eddie.

I hear where he is coming from but he is going about it the wrong way, very Collingwood indeed.
 

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Eddie does not speak for the clubs, he speaks 100% for Collingwood. The ANZAC Day debacle, owning black and white, refusing to have an away strip, whinging about the umpiring against Collingwood, it goes on and on. Eddie does a great job sticking up for Collingwood, but he takes us all for fools when he attempts to claim that he has the competition at heart. He couldn't give a f*** about it.
 

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As a Port Adelaide supporter, I know and agree with what you have written.

As a Collingwood supporter, if you read and understood ALL of the OP, if the clubs, as owners of the AFL, voted 15/16 to allow Port Adelaide to wear the Prison Bars, would you accede or go running to the AFL for assistance and support?
As a Port Adelaide Power supporter who understands and most importantly agrees with the point I made, why is it that you and many other Power supporters are constantly bringing up what should be a dead issue?
 

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Sick of Colingwood

Maybe the magpies could just break away from the competition and take their VFL affiliate with them. Eddie would be able to be President of the Collingwood Football League, he'd be able to say what he wanted about anything and would no longer have to answer to a higher authority. If the umpires even looked sideways at the players, Eddie would be able to string them up. Supporters from other clubs would no longer have to put up with the rubbish that seems to spout from the Collingwood supporters and the parents of Melbourne players would no longer have to fear having the crap beaten out of them.

Or perhaps Eddie and the rest of the club could just come to terms with the fact that they are 1/16th of the competition, not the whole bloody thing, that they are no longer anywhere near the largest or most important club in the league and that on-field, they have only marginally more success than my own club over the last 50 years.
 

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Eddie does not speak for the clubs, he speaks 100% for Collingwood. The ANZAC Day debacle, owning black and white, refusing to have an away strip, whinging about the umpiring against Collingwood, it goes on and on. Eddie does a great job sticking up for Collingwood, but he takes us all for fools when he attempts to claim that he has the competition at heart. He couldn't give a f*** about it.
Funny stuff this is. Could you be any more wrong?
Yeh he speaks for Collingwood first and foremost. That’s what he’s elected to do and that’s what everyone expects of him.
Sheedy was the force behind ANZAC Day. Eddie wasn’t even at Collingwood when the game became a permanent fixture.
No claims to won black and white at all.
Collingwood have an away strip.
Every club will whinge about the umpiring before the half way mark of the season. The AFL set the ground rules for how to get action and smart clubs act accordingly.
I honestly believes Eddie loves footy and the competition. Clearly he loves Collingwood. For goodness sake he’s the president. I don’t think anyone has ever run for the presidency of any club that doesn’t actually have a string affinity for the game and I would hope none that have been have less passion for their club than Eddie or at least try and do any less for their club.
 

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As a Port Adelaide supporter, I know and agree with what you have written.

As a Collingwood supporter, if you read and understood ALL of the OP, if the clubs, as owners of the AFL, voted 15/16 to allow Port Adelaide to wear the Prison Bars, would you accede or go running to the AFL for assistance and support?
This is like asking if the sun didn’t come up tomorrow would I pretend it isn’t morning and stay in bed. It won’t happen, it can’t happen and even if it did there would be more important mattes to be concerned with.

Regardless, the scenario has NOTHIONG to do with the premise. Eddie’s point is that the AFL has to listen to the clubs. If they continually refuse the clubs ultimately have the power to do something about it. It isn’t that the AFL is a democracy and popular vote rules. That is actually a bit like the pre commission system. I haven’t heard a call for a return to that.

What does that have to do with the common sense approach of mot letting a new team enter an existing competition with a competing jumper and confusing brand identity. It would be stupid to allow it to be done to an existing OWNER and just as silly to allow an new entrant to have a confusingly similar and watered down brand – particularly when it is in competition to the most visible sporting club in the country. For goodness sake Port were done a huge favour. The problem is they have then confused their brand identity ever since.
 
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