News Eddie McGuire steps down as Collingwood President

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Mental health in Beams’ case affected his ability to perform. Or maybe he’s just a dickhead and didn’t care to perform. I’d imagine race is less likely to affect that.

Either was the issue with Beams was we pissed away salary cap space and draft picks for nothing, not his mental health.
It hadn't affected his ability to perform until we got him back. He was a star. The claims that we shouldn't have recruited him because he had mental health issues are about as definitive in terms of non-inclusiveness as it gets. It didn't work out, but I hope that we aren't going to automatically cross off anyone with mental health issues in the future.
 

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Club needs to get with the program on this, or H might be right in it taking a long time to overcome. Links still on the club website to Eddie's 'Proud' speech, along with a glowing congrats to him. But nothing on an official sorry statement from the club, or the ones the players did off their own back, b/c of the club's stubbornness in dragging its heels....

Still trying to appease the individuals who... "if not quite being bigger than the Club, then at least having an unhealthy degree of influence over Club culture".
 
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Club needs to get with the program on this, or H might be right in it taking a long time to overcome. Links still on the club website to Eddie's 'Proud' speech, along with a glowing congrats to him. But nothing on an official sorry statement from the club, or the ones the players did off their own back, b/c of the club's stubbornness in dragging its heels....

Still trying appease the individuals who... "if not quite being bigger than the Club, then at least having an unhealthy degree of influence over Club culture".
I don't think an acknowledgment of wrongdoing during H's tenure will come while he's pursuing legal action against us and the AFL. That would be a pretty substantial concession in his favour I imagine.
 

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Mental health in Beams’ case affected his ability to perform. Or maybe he’s just a dickhead and didn’t care to perform. I’d imagine race is less likely to affect that.

Either was the issue with Beams was we pissed away salary cap space and draft picks for nothing, not his mental health.
Didn't in 2018 or the 1st 11 rounds of 2019.
 

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It hadn't affected his ability to perform until we got him back. He was a star. The claims that we shouldn't have recruited him because he had mental health issues are about as definitive in terms of non-inclusiveness as it gets. It didn't work out, but I hope that we aren't going to automatically cross off anyone with mental health issues in the future.
The time we got him back is also the only time I particularly care about his ability to perform.

And I would have though his questionable character and price over reasons not to recruit before mental health anyways.

If you want to make a point of mental health and non inclusiveness I’d use Treloar instead.
 

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Not sure why else you’d bring it up?
Just thought you'd like to be accurate with what you're saying rather than make broad motherhood statements which can be misconstrued.

Much like your claim that he played averagely across 2019. His 2019 output was consistent with his career average but that still had him in the top 50 possession winners league wide, and as our most effective goal kicking midfielder. So average by his standards is still pretty damn good which is contrary to what I think your intent was.
 

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The time we got him back is also the only time I particularly care about his ability to perform.

And I would have though his questionable character and price over reasons not to recruit before mental health anyways.

If you want to make a point of mental health and non inclusiveness I’d use Treloar instead.
I'm not talking about the club in terms of not being inclusive. I'm talking about posters.
 

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He was one of the leaders of a fan group known as the "Knights of Abbotsford" about a decade ago. They were opposed to McGuire.

I'm not 100% certain, but he was a photographer at our VFL games as well.
Yeah, he has had an axe to grind with Eddie for a long long time. Not sure what the origins are? Moving away from Vic Park?

Keiran Butler was another of the merry men that hates Eddie.

I thought Eddie should have left 18 months ago but this pile on and borderline bullying and moral high ground is beyond a joke.
 

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It hadn't affected his ability to perform until we got him back. He was a star. The claims that we shouldn't have recruited him because he had mental health issues are about as definitive in terms of non-inclusiveness as it gets. It didn't work out, but I hope that we aren't going to automatically cross off anyone with mental health issues in the future.
He said himself that he came back to Collingwood to try and get the passion back for football.

Despite being a very good player before he came back, it was well known he was having gambling/mental issues and we completely overpaid for him both on a trade and contract front.
 

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Yeah, he has had an axe to grind with Eddie for a long long time. Not sure what the origins are? Moving away from Vic Park?

Keiran Butler was another of the merry men that hates Eddie.

I thought Eddie should have left 18 months ago but this pile on and borderline bullying and moral high ground is beyond a joke.
The knights of abbotsford were gunning to lead in 2009 at the height of eds tenure. They were an embarrasding ticket, amatuers/idiots
 

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Not in a football sense but his behaviour off field had clearly deteriorated and the red flags were everywhere.
Seriously? Apart from him changing his mind about staying following his B&F ceremony speech, what off field behaviours were evident in 2018 and early 2019?

I mean JDG has had some significant off-field issues but do you think any club wouldn't take him in a heartbeat?

I didn't want him but the stuff being just made up about him is just ridiculous.
 

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The knights of abbotsford were gunning to lead in 2009 at the height of eds tenure. They were an embarrasding ticket, amatuers/idiots
You do realise that the Knights of Abbotsford just wanted Ed to focus on wining premierships at Collingwood as its first and foremost agenda. Similar to the Focus on Footy people at Richmond, it worked. In 2010 we won the flag.

Nothing wrong with members and fans wanting our club to be successful on the field.
 

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Yeah, he has had an axe to grind with Eddie for a long long time. Not sure what the origins are? Moving away from Vic Park?

Keiran Butler was another of the merry men that hates Eddie.

I thought Eddie should have left 18 months ago but this pile on and borderline bullying and moral high ground is beyond a joke.
Spot on.

I think Eddie should have stepped aside a few years ago, but the pile on against him has been a disgrace.
 

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Just thought you'd like to be accurate with what you're saying rather than make broad motherhood statements which can be misconstrued.

Much like your claim that he played averagely across 2019. His 2019 output was consistent with his career average but that still had him in the top 50 possession winners league wide, and as our most effective goal kicking midfielder. So average by his standards is still pretty damn good which is contrary to what I think your intent was.
Yes he was average, his stats were lower significantly lower than his best years and he didn’t have the same hurt factor ball in hand. Being our best goal kicking mid isn’t saying much when the rest of our midfield has an aversion to kicking goals.
 

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I'm not talking about the club in terms of not being inclusive. I'm talking about posters.
And many posters here have tried to use Treloar’s mental health issues as justification for getting rid of him.
 

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Seriously? Apart from him changing his mind about staying following his B&F ceremony speech, what off field behaviours were evident in 2018 and early 2019?

I mean JDG has had some significant off-field issues but do you think any club wouldn't take him in a heartbeat?

I didn't want him but the stuff being just made up about him is just ridiculous.
You mean apart from extreme problem gambling, a drug abuse problem and self confessed severe depression after his dad passed?
 

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You do realise that the Knights of Abbotsford just wanted Ed to focus on wining premierships at Collingwood as its first and foremost agenda. Similar to the Focus on Footy people at Richmond, it worked. In 2010 we won the flag.

Nothing wrong with members and fans wanting our club to be successful on the field.
There main agenda was to knize mm. There carping up to 2010 and the next few years after exposed then for being the most pathetic group of campaigners i've ever encountered on the internet.
 

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Just to interject on the Beams chatter. I view it similarly to the Mayne discussion where there are two distinct components to it.

1. WTF were the club doing? I mean three words come to mind. Due. *******. Diligence.

2. How do you say no as a 28/29yo receiving the offers they did?

Both are intrinsically linked with this thread (McGuire). His decision making by going rogue and appointing Allen guided us down a path of royally screwing our salary cap (add Wells in for good measure). Number 2 is a little more nuanced. In both cases you can’t say no, but with saying yes there’s an expectation to deliver which obliterated Mayne’s first season and almost the entirety of Beams’ time back. There were clearly other issues at play with Beams although the contract and pressure of his return would have not helped the situation. We were simply lucky the club realised Mayne was done as a forward or we’d have got the same value from him as Beams. I also thought some more on your Q Pragmatic Shill and I now suspect the video acceptance may not have been Beams’ choice. If the rumours circulating last year have any truth to them I would be very surprised if he’s welcome anywhere near the club.

On another note I’m not a fan of the support I’ve read for McGuire across a couple of threads in terms of him not being a racist. He presided over an environment that allowed systemic racism to propagate, he is a casual racist given his King Kong “gaffe” and not meaning it doesn’t preclude him from being one. That said it shouldn’t define him or his presidency because he needed to go for this type of meddling in football matters as much as his racism.

Edit: the Bulldogs will learn this hard lesson themselves over the next couple of years. Dunkley is gone post 2021 and with Bont entering FA there will be big offers put in front of Naughton, Williams, Lipinski and Daniel to see what shakes loose. Right now they might be on a combined $1.6-1.8m, but for 2022 if they continue to trend as they did in 2020 that figure jumps to $3m on the open market. I guess the irony is we could land Dunkley, who is very much a “scheme fit”, on the cheap if we play our cards right.
 
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