Really? He gambled so it's a problem? Do you know how much he bet and with whom? Drugs? Where's the evidence of drugs? Depression was well known. In fact, was publicly known and he had it in 2018, your point?
I would say going into debts of hundreds of thousands due to gambling would count as a problem, the club hired a private investigator to look into his issues. His addiction to prescription drugs was also well known. I think the point is fairly self-explanatory.
Evidence?
Well there were strong strong rumours at the time, and afterwards it was confirmed by Beams himself that all those things were happening... So if randoms on Bigfooty knew, i would hope the club knew...
Nice, hide your evidence behind a paywall.Well there were strong strong rumours at the time, and afterwards it was confirmed by Beams himself that all those things were happening... So if randoms on Bigfooty knew, i would hope the club knew...
And here's more evidence if you want about the private investigator, I think everyone knows about it except for you...
NoCookies | The Australian
www.theaustralian.com.au
You can get around it with some browser extensions that sneak around paywalls, but here's the text:
You can spend 5 seconds searching for it in google and find how wrong you are genius.
A lot comes down to how you define racist and racism. Not having appropriate policies and procedures in place as the report pointed out is a very harsh definer. As is a bad joke that didn't actually call Goodes King King. Trying to include everything that could possibly be harmful into the definition is a short sited move by activists. It may in the short term really highlight issues that need improvement by associating them with a powerful word, but in the long run it'll strip the power from that word. As we'll gradually come to realise that not everything described as racist is abhorrent.
Eidted: That was in relation to Ben Cousins, not Beams.
And yes, Ed presided over the club for a significant period covered by the review but what is clear is that these issues preceded Ed. What isn't clear is what happened under his tenure. Where are we now in comparison to when he assumed the presidency?
As I already explained, there were huge rumours going around at the time and Dayne publicly admitted recently that during those times he was self destructing on a cocktail of problem gambling and drug addiction... So... the club probably knew... you understand?
Isn't the rumour regarding drugs that it occurred with us when overcing his shoulder surgery?
Rumour and innuendo. So lets treat it as fact then. The drug issues were rumoured post his arrival at the Pies and his injury issues, not during the time being discussed. And a guy on $400-500k a year owing money for gambling isn't really an issue now is it. So it's just your hyperbole, and my statement was correct. Thanks. I'll leave it there.
You think Beams going into hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt isn't really an issue? Thanks for showing how clueless you are, it was a red flag that his mental health was in a very poor state, and we ignored it.
How he chooses to spend/waste his money is his concern. If it's gambling then so be it. It wasn't affecting his play in 2018 and the 1st 11 rounds of 2019. Still waiting for you to prove otherwise.
If you don't think the stress of losing your family's life savings, plus hundreds of thousands of debts to shady characters and being heavily addicted to drugs won't effect someone's football career then that just says something about your level of extreme ignorance.
In addition (and another salient point), the reference to hiring a private investigator in the story was about Ben Cousins not Beams. The fact that Christine Nixon was mentioned in the same sentence should have also been a clue as to the timeframe - she left the position of Chief Comm of VicPol early 2009.
This is just genuinely bizarre to read
You’d like to think so, but I think it’s more nuanced. McGuire had a target on his back with football journos for a long time the problem he had is that racism transcends sport so it meant he was free game to any and all journalists. McGuire is also only backed by 1/18th of the football community and his popularity had waned with us too. Federal liberal gets about 40% of the popular vote at an election? With a huge amount of those voters the type of people that don’t care about racist comments ( boomers).
That's all you projecting how you'd feel in your personal circumstances. You have no idea how Beams felt. But just keep going with the derogatory crap about me. It seems like it's all you've got.
My response is going to be unpopular, however, I would be very hesitant and as a minimum make it a short term contract.
Not sure where I've ever suggested any of that. Happy for you to show me where I did. Just for a heads up, I have worked in the Drug & Alcohol sector.
It's been my only point, but people keep wanting to take it on irrelevant tangents.
And as I have pointed out repeatedly, I didn't want him, but the club knew what they were buying into. By Kappa's own evidence they'd hired a PI and consulted with Christine Nixon (I assume among others) as to the risks. It was a decision based purely on footy and his ability that got him to the club, and you can't question the decision based on his 2018 performances and those of the 1st 11 rounds of 2019. If he hadn't sustained injury who knows how it might have turned out.
Well picked up, not sure why I glossed over it.
Like the honesty. And it's certainly not a positive, but even from a purely win at all costs football perspective, I disagree, supposedly Buddy and Dusty have had their mental health issues. It's jsut one factor to weigh up. Not sure the reason why, but every club passed on Liam Ryan when he first slayed it in the WAAFL and then after another year of standing on heads and kicking goals at will, he still didn't go early. There was some factor that clubs were baulking at and it is justifiable to view it as a greater risk - but often it is worth taking the risk on a flawed genius.
