EDFL moves

[schimma_20]

Two points.
1 EDFL rules state that clubs must have teams at all age levels, including seniors. Parkside have only one junior team. Unless the current EDFL clubs vote to change the constitution, Parkside cannot be admitted to the EDFL. Interestingly though, EDFL officials have raised the prospect of a third division as well!

2 David Callander announced after the prelim final loss that he would step down from the coaching role, but wanted to continue on with the club in some other capacity. Bit of accuracy in statements please.

I wouldn't think the EDFL would go to three divsions. That means that they have to get another 6 clubs to come in, who is going to want to play in C grade everyone wants to play in A grade. When was this idea raised?

 

[My North]

The EDFL do not stick to the policy of having teams in all grades, junionrs and seniors has Maribyrong Park and North Coburg Saints would have been kicked out the league a number of years ago due to not enough junior teams in some under age sections.

When Craigieburn and Jacana come into the EDFL from the Riddell they stared off in B Grade, both want to be playing in A Grade. Jacana have done nothing since been in the EDFL making finals one I think, Craigieburn have made finals regulary and this year winning the B Grade grand final and will be in A Grade next year.

If Sunbury and Parkside do come in then they should play in B Grade. You might scrap in a C Grade section but need 2 more clubs. Who will make up C section, Sydenham Hillside?, Hadfield? any other club? Perhaps another club from anoter League?

 

[Travvy43]

If Sunbury and Parkside do come in then they should play in B Grade. You might scrap in a C Grade section but need 2 more clubs. Who will make up C section, Sydenham Hillside?, Hadfield? any other club? Perhaps another club from anoter League?

Parkside in Div 2, they would tare that competition apart.

any news on how tate went this year for greenvale

 

[My North]

Parkside in Div 2, they would tare that competition apart.

That they will do.

 

[geoffhopkinsburra]

Really?? Where did you hear that from...?

keilor prez been watching them for some time as have other clubs namely heathcote who will be strong next year. interesting to see if they stay, meldrum could of had a flag at gisborne now and morgan was off to swan hill at the start of this year but both stayed.

 

[roge_3]

Interesting, so what has the Keilor Prez said about the two? Is this where you got your info from?

 

[geoffhopkinsburra]

Interesting, so what has the Keilor Prez said about the two? Is this where you got your info from?

yeah just getting as much info as he can about them. can't recall his name though.

 

[Grandale]

Craig Teal is Keilor's president.

 

[caveman]

Caveman,

West Coburg, prior to their GF loss, on the assumption that they would go to A Grade, were trying to get, from Keilor, Rosios (ruckman) Houchar, (on baller & two time EDFL Agrade B&F winner), and Kaakour (small on baller). From East Keilor, they were trying to get Flavell, small forward. All had played with West Coburg previously. As WC did not make it into A grade, their drawing power diminishes. Rooster, who made a come back mid year, may also quit, not wanting another year in B Grade.

It would be great to get those guys back. Unfortunately we just missed out on going up but these players should come back and get us back into A grade!

 

[Deefer4]

I wouldn't think the EDFL would go to three divsions. That means that they have to get another 6 clubs to come in, who is going to want to play in C grade everyone wants to play in A grade. When was this idea raised?

Schimma_20, never assume. Never at any stage mentioned the split of the 3 divisions. You and another poster are thinking that three divisions of 10 teams will be the structure. Not so. A Grade, stays at 10 teams, B Grade goes to 8 and a newly formed C Grade would have 6. Now before people jump all over me, this is not my idea. It is a an idea being considered by the EDFL board.

If we start looking for a motive, and perhaps answer the question posed by another poster of who would make up the C grade, this is my speculation -- for years the EDFL have felt that there are too many teams in a very small radius around Strathmore, Oak Park, Coburg, Broady. So lets have a look.

The two A grade clubs in that zone, Strathmore & Oak Park would stay in A Grade. But Nearby you have Glenroy - improving. Hadfield - struggling. West Coburg - OK. NCS - have struggled for years, crap ground. Jacana - bit up and down in B Grade. Pascoe Vale - ? Moonee Valley - will also struggle for a while and crap ground.
So they structure the C grade to annoy the crap out of NCS and Hadfield encouraging them to leave, B grade is back to 12 teams. That is my conspiracy theory. Certainly will not be touching the outlying clubs, that is where the growth will come from.

On another post by MyNorth I think, true the EDFL do give a bit of leeway for existing clubs not having all age teams, but fines do come into play. But they certainly will not admit a team without any junior structure.

And just to close, the Keilor prez has not been to watch the Morgan & Meldrum, others have.

 

[caveman]

So they structure the C grade to annoy the crap out of NCS and Hadfield encouraging them to leave, B grade is back to 12 teams. That is my conspiracy theory. Certainly will not be touching the outlying clubs, that is where the growth will come from.

If this is the case where do you think Hadfield and North Coburg will go?

 

[My North]

If this is the case where do you think Hadfield and North Coburg will go?

Western Region Football League or the VAFA

 

[caveman]

Western Region Football League or the VAFA

I am not sure about Hadfield but I couldnt imagine North Coburg going anywhere. What do other people think about this?

 

[Deefer4]

If this is the case where do you think Hadfield and North Coburg will go?

Into oblivion most likely, or merge with other clubs. If we have a look at the history of the EDFL, what were "traditional" clubs 20-30 years ago are gone or have merged. Ascot Vale - gone, the club that produced Ron Evans, Ken Fraser and a few others -- gone, now known as Tullamarine. If it is any consolation, will not happen in 2006, plans for a 3 division comp have been shelved for the moment, that is according to EDFL officialdom.

Also neither Sunbury nor Parkside have lodged written applications to join the EDFL. Until that happens, clubs cannot consider application or take a vote.

 

[caveman]

Into oblivion most likely, or merge with other clubs. If we have a look at the history of the EDFL, what were "traditional" clubs 20-30 years ago are gone or have merged. Ascot Vale - gone, the club that produced Ron Evans, Ken Fraser and a few others -- gone, now known as Tullamarine. If it is any consolation, will not happen in 2006, plans for a 3 division comp have been shelved for the moment, that is according to EDFL officialdom.

Also neither Sunbury nor Parkside have lodged written applications to join the EDFL. Until that happens, clubs cannot consider application or take a vote.

Looking back over the last few years I can see that Hadfield are in trouble but North Coburg have made a big improvement. Why are people putting these two clubs in the same bracket?

 

[Deefer4]

Looking back over the last few years I can see that Hadfield are in trouble but North Coburg have made a big improvement. Why are people putting these two clubs in the same bracket?

Caveman, they did improve this year, but the question is can they sustain the improvement? They do not have a good income stream, nor do they have a good local zone that produces good juniors, have not won a junior flag for years, and the only finals exposure their juniors have had that I recall, is 94/95 when Paul Chapman played for them. Their ground is the smallest in the comp, 60 meters out is virtually the centre circle. And to top it off, their rooms ---- I say nothing!

Bottom line is there are just too many clubs in that area competing for players. In addition to the EDFL teams I mentioned, Coburg Districts, Fawkner Park and the newly admitted into the WRFL, Brunswick Power, all compete for players in a very small zone. The EDFL do not see much of a future for them.

 

[Rhombus]

Big whisper around town is that Ex-Western Bulldogs and Doutta Stars player Steve Kretiuk may get the Keilor gig.

Has anyone heard similar rumours?

 

[caveman]

So they structure the C grade to annoy the crap out of NCS and Hadfield encouraging them to leave, B grade is back to 12 teams. That is my conspiracy theory. Certainly will not be touching the outlying clubs, that is where the growth will come from.

In saying this do you think NCS and Hadfield would actually leave. They might be quite happy to play in a grade where they have more of a chance of success!

 

[Deefer4]

In saying this do you think NCS and Hadfield would actually leave. They might be quite happy to play in a grade where they have more of a chance of success!

Think both clubs would like to stay in existance and in the EDFL, but the sad facts are that the game is moving on, and with some clubs in the EDFL, paying an absolute squillion, the bar has been lifted. If a club is continually struggling, to win, it will struggle to attract players unless they get a generous benfactor.

The other problem, particularly with NCS, their residential area is primarily ethnic, it may take a few years for the kids to grasp Aussie Rules, and same with the businesses in the area. If you are successful and can attract a supporter base, there is some hope in attracting sponsors, without that difficult, to bring money into the club.

Folks, this is only my opinion and may be totally wrong and it may be worthless, but I do not see positive long term prospects for some clubs.

 

[caveman]

Think both clubs would like to stay in existance and in the EDFL, but the sad facts are that the game is moving on, and with some clubs in the EDFL, paying an absolute squillion, the bar has been lifted. If a club is continually struggling, to win, it will struggle to attract players unless they get a generous benfactor.

The other problem, particularly with NCS, their residential area is primarily ethnic, it may take a few years for the kids to grasp Aussie Rules, and same with the businesses in the area. If you are successful and can attract a supporter base, there is some hope in attracting sponsors, without that difficult, to bring money into the club.

Folks, this is only my opinion and may be totally wrong and it may be worthless, but I do not see positive long term prospects for some clubs.

Mate I know this is just your opinion and I think it is great to have a helathy discussion. I understand where you are coming from in regards to North Coburg as I played their 10 years ago but what I am just trying to think about is the following:

Would playing C Grade in EDFL be any worse than playing B Grade WRFL?
Would the club want to travel all over the place in the Amateurs?

Like you said these are just my thoughts and personally I wouldnt mind seeing the NCS in the VAFA but I think it would be great to have a C Grade in the EDFL. Although these clubs may never have the money and juniors to get to A Grade the same can be said for clubs in D4 of the VAFA and that is a very successful comp!

Look forward to your comments!

 

[Barts]

Two Points
1 EDFL rules state that clubs must have teams at all age levels, including seniors. Parkside have only one junior team. Unless the current EDFL clubs vote to change the constitution, Parkside cannot be admitted to the EDFL.

i was at parkside's rooms on thursday night, they had a sheet up in the rooms saying positions are open to coach junior sides next year from U/10 to U/18.

 

[thewookie]

apparently no offers as yet. keilor want a high profile coach that will bring a couple of high priced recruits as part of the package. ryan pagan was approached but apparently keilor could not match an offer from St Albans

 

[caveman]

i was at parkside's rooms on thursday night, they had a sheet up in the rooms saying positions are open to coach junior sides next year from U/10 to U/18.

sounds like an application to join the EDFL is not far away!

 

[LordLucifer]

Anyone know who is coaching Keilor in 2006 seems that Callander is not required there next year

I'll speak with 'Boonga' in a fortnight's time when I see him on the annual golf trip, I'll tell you exactly whether he is going to be coaching there or not.

 

[LordLucifer]

Craig Teal is Keilor's president.

Is he ?? Know him very well, played cricket with him & his brother. His sister is Adam Bentick's mum.