EDFL Premier Discussion 2025

[jontyrohdes]

Reservoir in D3 Northern league after several years of being uncompetitive have been given 50 points to operate with this season.
They were granted it without any consultation or transparency to competing clubs from the NFNL which is a contentious topic to put it mildly.

It should be at the discretion of the league, they’re put in place to govern the competition and make decisions for the betterment of the competition which is why the current EDFL fossils and fools just don’t level up. If you want to be the best competition then have the best people making the best decisions. Unfortunately the EDFL can’t lay claim to either of those.

 

[Silver Tongue]

Any examples of other leagues that have variable points system in place?

I tend to agree but all variations of points need to be approved by AFL Vic with supporting documents. Clubs can seek to apply for a points variation. EK didn’t!




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Goulburn Valley Football League does it

 

[Localsport]

It should be at the discretion of the league, they’re put in place to govern the competition and make decisions for the betterment of the competition which is why the current EDFL fossils and fools just don’t level up. If you want to be the best competition then have the best people making the best decisions. Unfortunately the EDFL can’t lay claim to either of those.

Well it’s not entirely at the discretion of the league… let clubs make the proposal to the league. It’s been done before
Current club sustainability program has rules that govern the distribution of player points and what is required.

So effectively what you want or at least suggesting is as follows (mind you not sure how equitable it is in a promotion relegation system! )

Keilor should have points reduced because of their success

Strathmore based on being in finals nearly every year and winning flag in 2022 should also be on reduced points.

EDS and Airport west because of not having played finals in past 3 years should have same or even an extra point.

EK because of their plushy should be granted more than 46.

Deer Park and Marby because the have recently been promoted given an extra point?






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[Turbos mail]

Well it’s not entirely at the discretion of the league… let clubs make the proposal to the league. It’s been done before
Current club sustainability program has rules that govern the distribution of player points and what is required.

So effectively what you want or at least suggesting is as follows (mind you not sure how equitable it is in a promotion relegation system! )

Keilor should have points reduced because of their success

Strathmore based on being in finals nearly every year and winning flag in 2022 should also be on reduced points.

EDS and Airport west because of not having played finals in past 3 years should have same or even an extra point.

EK because of their plushy should be granted more than 46.

Deer Park and Marby because the have recently been promoted given an extra point?






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Why should EK have more points. They made finals in 2023 didn’t they..

 

[Turbos mail]

Did Keilor unfurl the premiership flag??

 

[chickenonachain]

Did Keilor unfurl the premiership flag??

Yep

 

[Sth Melb Hellas]

What a great Saturday in the history of suburban football.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Ovens and Murray has started doing it. No relegation or promotion involved there though.
Imagine copping a points deduction designed to weaken your team and then by doing so you get relegated off the back of it.
It’s a tough argument. Do you want teams to strive to be as good as the top handful or weaken the top 5 to give everyone a go at success, thus diluting the overall strength of the competition by doing so


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Striving to be as good as the best isn’t realistic, particularly not in local football. People talk about that but it’s not reality. Some clubs have entrenched advantages due to all kinds of reasons that can’t be overcome by others. “Just being smarter and better” doesn’t work, it’s not a business where you can get the best people to do so… the clubs are run by volunteers and it’s luck of the draw in terms of who walks in the door as a volunteer.

You have the same clubs winning year after year and decade after decade, it’s not because they’re inherently smarter. The salary cap has made some difference (if clubs follow it, which some big clubs often dont), so will the points system.

The original idea of the points system was that it would be tiered based on results to even things up. The metro leagues have resisted this. They never wanted the points system at all, all they are interested in is their own league being the best. They haven’t done what was intended, they’d rather just have an even high points total so it has little effect on the established order because most clubs don’t hit the limit anyway.

Add in the fact that most leagues are run by people from big clubs who have the big club view of things.

You cannot rely on the metro leagues to do equalisation, they don’t want it and will never do it properly.

 

[Gremlin77]

Did Keilor unfurl the premiership flag??

Why would they not have ?

 

[Stax on the mill]

If it had of been a Strathmore or Greenvale that got belted yesterday, instead of Deer Park, we’d be having a completely different stacks on session I think.
100% should have had both a points deduction and PP penalty.
The board and the people in charge should be embarrassed, they won’t be though!

Another nauseating puff piece in today’s Herald Sun (Mick’s employer) saying how determined Keilor and Mick are to redress the loss of their 2023 flag. Completely glosses over the circumstances of the Premiership being forfeited. Nice to have the sympathetic media access that McGuane and Keilor enjoy.

On another note when is the EDFL website going to properly detail why the 2023 Premiership was not awarded in the History section?

On the O&M website it shows Wangaratta winning the 2022 GF, but with an asterisk beside their name. There is also an explanatory “Premiership was not recognised due to a salary cap breach” notation. One is left in no doubt what has occurred.

Whilst the EDFL website shows Keilor winning the flag, albeit with an asterisk beside their name, there is nothing there to say what the asterisk means, and that no Premiership was awarded.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I wouldn’t be surprised if in 5 years time the asterisk disappears, and the EDFL website shows Keilor as winners of the 2023 Premiership. Either that, or down the track Keilor will try and have the decision revisited and overturned on the basis of a denial of natural justice, or some other furphy.

 

[jontyrohdes]

Well it’s not entirely at the discretion of the league… let clubs make the proposal to the league. It’s been done before
Current club sustainability program has rules that govern the distribution of player points and what is required.

So effectively what you want or at least suggesting is as follows (mind you not sure how equitable it is in a promotion relegation system! )

Keilor should have points reduced because of their success

Strathmore based on being in finals nearly every year and winning flag in 2022 should also be on reduced points.

EDS and Airport west because of not having played finals in past 3 years should have same or even an extra point.

EK because of their plushy should be granted more than 46.

Deer Park and Marby because the have recently been promoted given an extra point?






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Of course it’s at the discretion of the league, country leagues use discretionary powers to award additional or reduced points also increased salary caps! Without a shadow of doubt it’s at the discretion of the league if they choose to do so.

Unfortunately when you have compromised fossils and fools running your league you end up with a stale competition, just like the fossils wardrobes

 

[jontyrohdes]

Why should EK have more points. They made finals in 2023 didn’t they..

Because they finished 2nd last in 2024

 

[The Longblow]

Completely incorrect statement IMO. I think the EDFL/WRFL merger will and probably should happen in the next 5 years. However, to say you need to force club mergers is a joke tbh. If your club has a strategy to only focus on paying for top end talent then that’s your clubs fault. How about recruit some depth players? Players that will be happy to play ressies, then have a crack when their chance comes. How about your club double down their efforts to build a solid junior program? Players that will mature and play on 1 point in years to come. Fact of the matter is your club only cares about 1 group and that’s why you struggle below seniors. Proposing to force mergers on the >90% of clubs that are going quite fine is as stupid as your ridiculous / sexist recent statement about women’s football. You lot are so far away from winning a flag in a decent comp it’s not funny!!

You completely misunderstood me. Look a bit deeper. Young players either play seniors or look elsewhere these days. This notion about building teams and clubs is done and dusted as young blokes will not hang around developing into senior players by playing seconds in this day and age. Young fringe players maximium 2 years post school if not picked in seniors will go hunting $$$ in lower leagues or head bush. Do you vote teal because you carry on like a teal. There was nothing sexist about my view that football is a men's game and should stay that way imo.

 

[The Longblow]

Well said sticky wicket.
Football clubs are more than just about winning premierships there about a place for the community to come together.

I could go one but have a look at Bud Tingwells speech in the castle you will get the vibe.

If you want to reference community the Deer Park followers are leading the league in attendance. Keilor following is ordinary for such a successful club and the location of the club and the fact they have many schools to draw from in the area.

 

[The Longblow]

The difference is EDFL clubs also spend big unlike WRFL so that’s the challenge.

I’m still lost as to how the league can be satisfied with the penalty. Keilor win big again against a team like Deer Park who are middle of the division. Penalties should be made to hurt clubs but they hit them with a feather duster..To not deduct any player points is a total embarrassment and shows the league is so far into Keilor it’s not funny.

Obviously Keilor has the league bluffed. Even the umpires felt sorry for them and gave them charity all day yesterday.

 

[Doona2]

Obviously Keilor has the league bluffed. Even the umpires felt sorry for them and gave them charity all day yesterday.

15-20 goals worth I’m hearing

 

[Calmdowngoldy]

Everyone’s answer is to to slap point restrictions on the better ran clubs when some of the lower clubs have floored business models. Recruiting unfit mercenaries instead of building from the ground up and focusing on their junior programs isn’t the Edfls fault it’s the clubs themselves. DP and EK model will not work and they have been exposed and now they cry foul

 

[Nepotism]

Airport West beat East Keilor by 190. Keilor beat Deer Park by 140 odd. I mean why even play the game. It's a joke of a league. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Coach_Beard]

Looks like Douttas took it up to Pacco last night anyone go there? How were the lights ? As every night game I’ve been to it’s hard to distinguish the players

douttas didn’t disgrace themselves against bigger stronger side.
slowly got worn down towards 3 quarter time and the last blew out.
my eyes not great so best let someone else with better sight to comment but it seemed ok

 

[Del230736]

Everyone’s answer is to to slap point restrictions on the better ran clubs when some of the lower clubs have floored business models. Recruiting unfit mercenaries instead of building from the ground up and focusing on their junior programs isn’t the Edfls fault it’s the clubs themselves. DP and EK model will not work and they have been exposed and now they cry foul

Keilor went 45k over, how is there not a points and salary reduction? Why hasn't every club complained. They should be on 28 points and 20k less salary. Robinvale went 10k over, a town in the middle of nowhere, have got 31 points, they've still recruited 3 players, but will play with 19 locals. Where's the consistency by afl victoria? Like volunteers from other clubs that do the right thing, must think why bother.

Metro clubs should be able to play on low points anyway, kids don't move away

 

[Calmdowngoldy]

Strathmore v GV good tight game of footy. Both will book a place come September

 

[Coach_Beard]

Keilor went 45k over, how is there not a points and salary reduction? Why hasn't every club complained. They should be on 28 points and 20k less salary. Robinvale went 10k over, a town in the middle of nowhere, have got 31 points, they've still recruited 3 players, but will play with 19 locals. Where's the consistency by afl victoria? Like volunteers from other clubs that do the right thing, must think why bother.

Metro clubs should be able to play on low points anyway, kids don't move away

similar question over on another page nfnl about reservoir points alocation clubs complaining but nothing happened.
perhaps same in edfl that the afl region people approve deny every decision and the board and staff wear it.

 

[Turbos mail]

Keilor went 45k over, how is there not a points and salary reduction? Why hasn't every club complained. They should be on 28 points and 20k less salary. Robinvale went 10k over, a town in the middle of nowhere, have got 31 points, they've still recruited 3 players, but will play with 19 locals. Where's the consistency by afl victoria? Like volunteers from other clubs that do the right thing, must think why bother.

Metro clubs should be able to play on low points anyway, kids don't move away

Because it’s keilor that’s why. Burnside in div2 copped a harsher penalty. It’s a joke really..

 

[Coach_Beard]

Because it’s keilor that’s why. Burnside in div2 copped a harsher penalty. It’s a joke really..

the storyline around both these breaches and penalties will never make sense.
in fact it may further just prove what many think about the tail wags the dog in the edfl.
if it took so long to figure out 2023 the stronger 2024 keilor may not be clear yet.

 

[Turbos mail]

the storyline around both these breaches and penalties will never make sense.
in fact it may further just prove what many think about the tail wags the dog in the edfl.
if it took so long to figure out 2023 the stronger 2024 keilor may not be clear yet.

Exactly so they get stronger and improve their list from years 23 to 24 yet they are paying less. Doesn’t make any sense. Perfect opportunity for the league to set an example and they failed miserably, purely as it was keilor and Mick.