EDFL Premier Division

[tigertony]

Turbos, nice attempt at deflection, but your club, Pacco obviously leading the charge as far as recruiting quality footballers. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but you have been constantly putting the acid on Abers, Greenvale and Strathmore for their recruiting and supposedly paying squillions.
Reeks of double standards I think.

Can we now expect an apology from you to those clubs you have maligned, either directly or by backhanded inference?

Maligned in so far as what? ...... The 3 clubs you mentioned get a points discount because they have been paying the big bucks for longer.... A fact you can't dispute .... If there was any way of effectively policing the proposed $200,000 salary cap teams like Abers would have to cut their payments in half...... Double standards my a

 

[BlueJet]

No one has ever claimed that the homegrown players aren't looked after.
By my reckoning it's you, Turbo, who have a creepy fascination with what other blokes do or do not get paid, the rest of us - with increasing bemusement - state that we dont really care.
Fact is as community football clubs, giving local boys a club to call their own can't possibly be considered a bad thing.

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[Stax on the mill]

Maligned in so far as what? ...... The 3 clubs you mentioned get a points discount because they have been paying the big bucks for longer.... A fact you can't dispute .... If there was any way of effectively policing the proposed $200,000 salary cap teams like Abers would have to cut their payments in half...... Double standards my a

Had hoped not to get dragged back into a discussion about player payments, particularly as I and others had criticised Turbos for going on and on about it ad nauseam. Wouldn't have bothered posting except for Turbos crude attempt to deflect away from Pacco's player splurge. As I said, nothing wrong with that, except don't slag other clubs, particularly when you don't know what they are paying.

I know for a fact what Mores paid in 2014, I doubt if you or Turbos do. It was a fairly modest amount, and nowhere near what has been bandied about on this forum. So I stand by my comment of double standards, at least as far as Strathmore goes. No doubt those who support Abers and Greenvale would have their own views.

 

[Turbos mail]

Turbos, nice attempt at deflection, but your club, Pacco obviously leading the charge as far as recruiting quality footballers. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but you have been constantly putting the acid on Abers, Greenvale and Strathmore for their recruiting and supposedly paying squillions.
Reeks of double standards I think.

Can we now expect an apology from you to those clubs you have maligned, either directly or by backhanded inference?

Hey Stax, not sure what I need to apoligize for, or are you alluding to because it's reported that Pacco have the highest number of points (probably correct) that we are spending the most on players and therefore I should apoligize? Most of this "conversation" started when I attempted to estimate current spenditure (even if I put > excess) of all premier clubs. Some people were a bit touchy but that's all good.

All clubs have previously recruited ex AFL players as well, and I congratulate them. But let's be honest McLean, Riemers, Browne, Maric, Arrowsmith, Ross (probably include Veszpremi) are the top bracket, as recently out of AFL, but in the next level I rate Galea as equal of any ex AFL player. He hasn't played AFL but at local level he is equal in my book. Probably even Rose but he has been out of the VFL system longer.

Harris is another good example. His 32 and putting back his knowledge into the EDFL so why should he be rated high. I think this is totally wrong and the AFL should be encouraging people like Harris to play as long as his able to. The EDFL should be raising this as it's a positive for the league as well. I'm not saying he not be rated but it shouldn't be high. Probably Johns in that league as well but not sure of his age. Are these 2 rated equal??? Do we all agree on this?

 

[milkman99]

Maligned in so far as what? ...... The 3 clubs you mentioned get a points discount because they have been paying the big bucks for longer.... A fact you can't dispute .... If there was any way of effectively policing the proposed $200,000 salary cap teams like Abers would have to cut their payments in half...... Double standards my a

As l've said before the salary cap would be a joke , most clubs don't even let their members know what they have spent for the year at their AGM so to think the league could police a salary cap would be impossible so they should concentrate on getting this points system spot on & it might take a few years to take full effect on clubs

 

[JustOverHere]

The clubs have a rough understanding and it's been discussed at length in newspapers and over social media.
Failing that..
www.google.com.au/

Totally understand it has been discussed at length in many different forums 'BlueJet'!..

For someone to have posted figures collated from EDFL media team! I thought the EDFL could have quite possibly decided on a points scale for their very own league!..

If this is not the case it's a total waste of time posting averages on a point scale that quite possibly won't even be implemented next year!..

 

[BlueJet]

Hey Stax, not sure what I need to apoligize for, or are you alluding to because it's reported that Pacco have the highest number of points (probably correct) that we are spending the most on players and therefore I should apoligize? Most of this "conversation" started when I attempted to estimate current spenditure (even if I put > excess) of all premier clubs. Some people were a bit touchy but that's all good.

All clubs have previously recruited ex AFL players as well, and I congratulate them. But let's be honest McLean, Riemers, Browne, Maric, Arrowsmith, Ross (probably include Veszpremi) are the top bracket, as recently out of AFL, but in the next level I rate Galea as equal of any ex AFL player. He hasn't played AFL but at local level he is equal in my book. Probably even Rose but he has been out of the VFL system longer.

Harris is another good example. His 32 and putting back his knowledge into the EDFL so why should he be rated high. I think this is totally wrong and the AFL should be encouraging people like Harris to play as long as his able to. The EDFL should be raising this as it's a positive for the league as well. I'm not saying he not be rated but it shouldn't be high. Probably Johns in that league as well but not sure of his age. Are these 2 rated equal??? Do we all agree on this?

You'll find that Harris - had he stayed at APW would be worth less than his current points tally.
His points get boosted due to being recruited from a competitor.
Interesting to note that Contessa has put in a clearance to head elsewhere as well.

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[Turbos mail]

Had hoped not to get dragged back into a discussion about player payments, particularly as I and others had criticised Turbos for going on and on about it ad nauseam. Wouldn't have bothered posting except for Turbos crude attempt to deflect away from Pacco's player splurge. As I said, nothing wrong with that, except don't slag other clubs, particularly when you don't know what they are paying.

I know for a fact what Mores paid in 2014, I doubt if you or Turbos do. It was a fairly modest amount, and nowhere near what has been bandied about on this forum. So I stand by my comment of double standards, at least as far as Strathmore goes. No doubt those who support Abers and Greenvale would have their own views.

Oh Stax I was trying to get back involved on a good level but now it's you who is rambling mate. What is a "modest" amount? Let's be real here, Strathmore pay big money and we all know it. Don't forget to include the massize sign on's in your budget and payments outside the system. THATS REAL not guessing..

Now let's get back onto the points conversation..

 

[BlueJet]

Totally understand it has been discussed at length in many different forums!..

For someone to have posted figures collated from EDFL media team! I thought the EDFL could have quite possibly decided on a points scale!..

If this is not the case it's a total waste of time posting averages on a point scale that quite possibly won't even be implemented next year!..

AFL Vic has confirmed that it'll be in place next season.
Given that branches of afl vic are letting clubs and newspapers know the makeup of the likely system, I dont expect much will change in the layout between now and the start of next season.

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[JustOverHere]

Oh Stax I was trying to get back involved on a good level but now it's you who is rambling mate. What is a "modest" amount? Let's be real here, Strathmore pay big money and we all know it. Don't forget to include the massize sign on's in your budget and payments outside the system. THATS REAL not guessing..

Now let's get back onto the points conversation..

Very valid point "Turbo" Strathmore is one club that does deals with a lot of Black Money..

What do you think a realistic points scale should like in its very first year in the EDFL "Turbo"?

 

[Stax on the mill]

Hey Stax, not sure what I need to apoligize for, or are you alluding to because it's reported that Pacco have the highest number of points (probably correct) that we are spending the most on players and therefore I should apoligize? Most of this "conversation" started when I attempted to estimate current spenditure (even if I put > excess) of all premier clubs. Some people were a bit touchy but that's all good.

All clubs have previously recruited ex AFL players as well, and I congratulate them. But let's be honest McLean, Riemers, Browne, Maric, Arrowsmith, Ross (probably include Veszpremi) are the top bracket, as recently out of AFL, but in the next level I rate Galea as equal of any ex AFL player. He hasn't played AFL but at local level he is equal in my book. Probably even Rose but he has been out of the VFL system longer.

Harris is another good example. His 32 and putting back his knowledge into the EDFL so why should he be rated high. I think this is totally wrong and the AFL should be encouraging people like Harris to play as long as his able to. The EDFL should be raising this as it's a positive for the league as well. I'm not saying he not be rated but it shouldn't be high. Probably Johns in that league as well but not sure of his age. Are these 2 rated equal??? Do we all agree on this?

Turbos, Arrowsmith has been at Strathmore for 4 seasons. He played zero AFL games. To describe him as "recently out of the AFL and in the top bracket" is a real stretch. I agree with you that blokes like Harris, who hasn't played AFL for a few years shouldn't be given a high points rating.

My comment about apologising to certain clubs was somewhat tongue in cheek, but perhaps is a reaction to your obsession with what you estimate other clubs are paying players, whilst at the same time maintaining that your own club is above all this.

Turbos, I like reading most of your postings as they are interesting and generate genuine discussion, and you are passionate about local footy. I see your contributions on any number of other league forums., and you don't attack the man. But on the subject of player payments you've got an unhealthy tunnel vision.

 

[My North]

I think this is bloody fantastic. Take your hat off Greenvale, Strathmore and to a slightly lesser extent Aberfeldie. I don't care who gets paid what or how much a club shells out but what this shows is that 3 of the top 4 clubs in the EDFL are seriously well paying its own juniors. Whether they have come up through the 18's and straight into senior EDFL football or whether they have left to play TAC, VFL or even AFL, these clubs are rewarding their own by paying club people good money to stay involved and push for success. For years this didn't happen. The big money always seemed to find its way into those being recruited to the club with no affiliation.

On the other hand if you are a club the does not have such quality juniors pushing through what do you do? Well you do what Maribyrnong Park, PV and AH do. You buy a team of outsiders. What else are they going to do?

I wouldn't put Marbi in the same category as Avondale or Pacco.

Marbi have been on a sustained rebuild of their junior setup and it's paying off - they have two Under 18 teams now, and good representation across all other grades plus several juniors regularly playing senior footy.

Apologies... I was referring to their successful years 2007-2012.

They are very much a 'develop you own' these days

puffpuffgivemo good to see you know your Marby footy well,
product2 do I sense a little bit of envy, good years 2007-2012, 3 flags

Go Marby

 

[My North]

You'll find that Harris - had he stayed at APW would be worth less than his current points tally.
His points get boosted due to being recruited from a competitor.
Interesting to note that Contessa has put in a clearance to head elsewhere as well.

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Turbos Mail, why is Contessa leaving Pacco.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I think what this shows is that the solution in evening out the competition is not going to work with a points system as all this will do is reinforce the already strong clubs who have strong junior setups and will protect them from any ambitious club like a pacco, Avondale or Marby who want to have a crack at glory. IMO this is going to have the opposite of the desired effect, and will make it so that only the strong junior clubs of Abers, Strathmore & Greenvale will ever be capable of winning the flag.

Until the EDFL is prepared to put an end to these strong junior clubs stock pilling all the kids with 4+ junior teams in each age then the issue will simply get worse. For eg i know a family who drive from Westmeadows to play jnrs at Strathmote, know several that are from East Keilor and have kids playing at Abers.. i dont know why, but the parents percieve that the footy environment to be better at these strong clubs.

 

[Outbackhack37]

Just had a look at the clearances on the EDFL website. Angus Graham to Abers from Albury!! Is there any stopping the Abers spending spree or have Abers used their large professional network to secure him work and a career.... Surely they cannot be beaten now

 

[Stax on the mill]

Just had a look at the clearances on the EDFL website. Angus Graham to Abers from Albury!! Is there any stopping the Abers spending spree or have Abers used their large professional network to secure him work and a career.... Surely they cannot be beaten now

Well, I guess that's the ruckman they needed to cover the 1 perceived weakness in their team in the absence of Blake. I agree that it will take an exceptional team to knock Abers off this season.

 

[Turbos mail]

Turbos, Arrowsmith has been at Strathmore for 4 seasons. He played zero AFL games. To describe him as "recently out of the AFL and in the top bracket" is a real stretch. I agree with you that blokes like Harris, who hasn't played AFL for a few years shouldn't be given a high points rating.

My comment about apologising to certain clubs was somewhat tongue in cheek, but perhaps is a reaction to your obsession with what you estimate other clubs are paying players, whilst at the same time maintaining that your own club is above all this.

Turbos, I like reading most of your postings as they are interesting and generate genuine discussion, and you are passionate about local footy. I see your contributions on any number of other league forums., and you don't attack the man. But on the subject of player payments you've got an unhealthy tunnel vision.

Cheers mate, in all honesty I don't have any issue with you and actually like reading your views. Your contributions to big footy are great.
In the end it's a forum for truth, gossip and humour.

PS: for the record I only stated Strathmore paid >240k in 2014 and >220k in 2015. Pacco paying >200k in 2015. Pretty sure that esitimate is on the mark.

Anyway all the best and keep up your good work.

I will say we are all trying to beat Abers this year. They are short priced favourites but Pacco will being trying their hardest to beat them. GET ON THE UNDERDOG PACCCO...

 

[Turbos mail]

Turbos Mail, why is Contessa leaving Pacco.

Hey bud, Contessa has not left Pacco. Needed a clearance for other reasons. You will see him on Saturday at Marby. For those of you that know Contessa, his a person of high integrity and doing very well at Pacco..

 

[Turbos mail]

Well, I guess that's the ruckman they needed to cover the 1 perceived weakness in their team in the absence of Blake. I agree that it will take an exceptional team to knock Abers off this season.

Just had a look at the clearances on the EDFL website. Angus Graham to Abers from Albury!! Is there any stopping the Abers spending spree or have Abers used their large professional network to secure him work and a career.... Surely they cannot be beaten now

Well well, sitting top of the ladder unbeaten after 8 rounds and go and recruit another big name player. Where does it stop for clubs like Abers.. Answer is it doesn't..
We all talk about junior programs but where is a young ruckman from Abers junior program?? Surely a good time to blood a young kid. "No" go and buy one..
Surely no one thinks this is a good situation for a club like Abers when they rave on about their juniors..

Hope Pacco smash em in the finals!!

 

[Turbos mail]

Puff seems like you have had a productive day in the workplace today putting this together

We should ask Turbo what cap the league will put in place for Premier Division

Mate, clubs will NOT be asked to release any current players but over time try and get below a certain figure the EDFL will put in place. Also there wil be considerations have a chance this yes

 

[Time to relax]

Turbo - your going downhill in my opinion. Abers have recruited to the one spot they have been publicly acknowledged as a weakness. Pacco have recruited exactly the same but there spend is at its max & points are astronomical?

Pacco need to win this year or they will be in complete disarray with the points, they will have to cull with no big junior program.

The points system - Greenvale & Abers will be competing for the next ten cups in my opinion

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

On Gus....

Pre season - Strathmore needed a Ruckman to replace Jones - they got Sikora & Potter however Potter more to replace Dick Little.

As a result Pacco needed a Ruckman so they got Kerlin.

Greenvale needed a Ruckman so they got DeLuca.

Blakey has unfortunately had ongoing back issues hence his inability to play this year. He was fantastic last year and let's not forget won the league medal.

Johnsy, Jack Mac & Cravo have all performed admirably to date mind you but getting talent like Gus in to help these guys, our midfield and our emerging junior ruck stocks is a great result.

 

[bangfrom50]

On Gus....

Pre season - Strathmore needed a Ruckman to replace Jones - they got Sikora & Potter however Potter more to replace Dick Little.

As a result Pacco needed a Ruckman so they got Kerlin.

Greenvale needed a Ruckman so they got DeLuca.

Blakey has unfortunately had ongoing back issues hence his inability to play this year. He was fantastic last year and let's not forget won the league medal.

Johnsy, Jack Mac & Cravo have all performed admirably to date mind you but getting talent like Gus in to help these guys, our midfield and our emerging junior ruck stocks is a great result.

If Abers can afford it why wouldn't they top up, AT THE END OF THE DAY WHO REALLY G*VES A SH*T? Let's face it every other club would do it if the could. Local Footy was once a release from the normal day to day stresses of life, you could get away from work, financial pressures ect.. to support friends and family. Unfortunately now Local Footy is all about the $$, the Rich get Richer, poor get poorer , IT'S F*CKED

We're Aussies so we all have the Tall Poppy syndrome, anyone not associated with Abers would hope they don't win the flag. But either way who really cares? - Lose and everyone wants to stick it up them for having the ability to raise funds to pay for having the best list or Win and everyone will say - "so they should of with that list".

 

[The Good Oil]

On Gus....

Pre season - Strathmore needed a Ruckman to replace Jones - they got Sikora & Potter however Potter more to replace Dick Little.

As a result Pacco needed a Ruckman so they got Kerlin.

Greenvale needed a Ruckman so they got DeLuca.

Blakey has unfortunately had ongoing back issues hence his inability to play this year. He was fantastic last year and let's not forget won the league medal.

Johnsy, Jack Mac & Cravo have all performed admirably to date mind you but getting talent like Gus in to help these guys, our midfield and our emerging junior ruck stocks is a great result.

Not sure how bad Blake's back is as I see he has lodged a clearance to go to back down Geelong way. As for winning the league medal I haven't spoke to anyone who believes he deserved that.

 

[JustOverHere]

Just had a look at the clearances on the EDFL website. Angus Graham to Abers from Albury!! Is there any stopping the Abers spending spree or have Abers used their large professional network to secure him work and a career.... Surely they cannot be beaten now

Ah whats another $20,000 'Outbackhack37!.. There definitely doesn't seem to be any stopping the current Aber's spending spree with the current mindset and philosophy of the clubs administration.

It was only last month when I was down at the snake pit watching a work colleagues son play and I got chatting with a number of parents who are no longer involved with the Aberfeldie FC as they have followed their children who went looking for more realistic opportunities to actually play senior football within their very own community..

They mentioned how their children were virtually forced to look elsewhere in an attempt to play senior football on a consistant basis within their very own community as the current administration had done a complete 360 degree about face with their club philosophy and recruiting policies..

As families they also mentioned at the time in which they decided to move on that they could see no immediate change in the foreseeable future of the clubs philosophy and recruiting policies and that their decision had been vindicated in many ways as the current administrations reign enters its fourteenth year in which they have been able to make many hasty decisions and invest close to $6,000,000 of the clubs money as they see best in what now seems to be personal endeavours!!..

With absolutely nothing to show for it!!..