Draft Watcher eDPS Draft Watch 2019

[LemmingMaster]

Great.

Aquinas probably gets smacked by the top 20 Victorian school football sides.


There’s absolutely no way Nat Fyfe deserved to be a top 10, let alone top 5 pick in his draft year.

He was a skinny, mercurial, low possession half forward flanker.

I did hear stories that Dockers rated him 5th.

 

[Joao]

I did hear stories that Dockers rated him 5th.

Fairly sure someone from Freo or previously employed said they had Fyfe at 5 but were pretty sure he'd get to the 2nd round.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

im a massive fan of Serongs, i love how he plays and his influence on games, i like that he takes risks instead of playing it safe, thats just me, im a fan of people who take positive risks even if they dont work out, rather than a player playing it safe by going sideways ect, it shows confidence in themselves and their team mates, stats can be a good guide AFTER you have seen them play as they can also be misleading without context imo, i believe and i could be wrong that Serongs real disposal (not counting chipping to a free player) is better then Robertson's, but i like Robertsons accumulation, which is arguably more important?

Agree and Serong can play multi positions and be dangerous. Robertson is purely just an inside mid, and his kicking didn't look good at all.

 

[briztoon]

Once again, feel free to suggest some options. Currently at the moment your input into this discussion is to be critical without offering alternate options.

Maybe if you say Joe Bloggs that did not even make the WA team is a better option than Robertson, then people can look into that player and make up their own minds.
Especially considering it is very hard for a Victorian based mug punter to get much vision of WA talent.

I have eDPS a couple tiers higher on my Draft Watcher board.

 

[Davo-27]

Agree and Serong can play multi positions and be dangerous. Robertson is purely just an inside mid, and his kicking didn't look good at all.

Tom Mitchell's kicking is not that great and he won a Brownlow, kicking is just a part of the game and some have other strengths that sides need, i think overall Serong is an average kick who may have been a bit sloppy in parts during the champs and Robertson is a below average kick with other desirable skills in his given position.

for example if you are looking for a outside mid/hbf the most desirable skills are: speed, kicking skills, endurance, work rate, footy iq, repeat sprints, handball skills
if you are looking to recruit an inside mid you would look for: work rate, endurance, accumulation, clearance winner, core strength, willingness to win the cont ball, tackling skills, Handball skills

speed and kicking skills are a bonus for an inside mid imo.

 

[Les Malone]

Great.

Aquinas probably gets smacked by the top 20 Victorian school football sides.


There’s absolutely no way Nat Fyfe deserved to be a top 10, let alone top 5 pick in his draft year.

He was a skinny, mercurial, low possession half forward flanker.

I think that is laughable and way off the mark, i think Aquinas, Hale and Trinity would be around the mark every year and Guildford, Wesley and Scotch a tier below but can also have good years, the first 3 mentioned usually have 4ths or 5ths and then 10a's, b's and c's, and so on down to year 7's, so depth is very good. Also if there are 20 Victorian schools that can smack Perth schools why doesn't that translate into the Vic state under 18's teams winning by 20 goals every year, we know that doesnt happen and usually it is quite close.

 

[Les Malone]

Once again, feel free to suggest some options. Currently at the moment your input into this discussion is to be critical without offering alternate options.

Maybe if you say Joe Bloggs that did not even make the WA team is a better option than Robertson, then people can look into that player and make up their own minds.
Especially considering it is very hard for a Victorian based mug punter to get much vision of WA talent.

I got 4 from East Perth colts the drafters should look at, the Sparks twins Harley and Cooper, Kane Hughes brother of Docker Ethan and Liam Dellamarta, twins are from down South and the last two Trinity boys.

i have 2 from West Perth, Koopah Todd and Tye Hindmarsh, both high possession winners.

State Focus - WA 2019 - Western Australia's junior footy talent

Cox is back at his local club East Perth....took some time out at the start of the year....talented sort....good to see him putting his hand up again..

www.bigfooty.com

Think it was my first post ever ^^, also Nicholas Martin from Subi

 

[Pykie]

I think that is laughable and way off the mark, i think Aquinas, Hale and Trinity would be around the mark every year and Guildford, Wesley and Scotch a tier below but can also have good years, the first 3 mentioned usually have 4ths or 5ths and then 10a's, b's and c's, and so on down to year 7's, so depth is very good. Also if there are 20 Victorian schools that can smack Perth schools why doesn't that translate into the Vic state under 18's teams winning by 20 goals every year, we know that doesnt happen and usually it is quite close.

Because the entire Victorian playing pool is split in half?

I never said anything about 20 goals, I merely stated there are in reality probably 20 better Victorian schools, when you consider the depth of Victorian football vs the rest of the country, Melbourne population of nerely 5m (It's going to be the largest city in the country within a decade), it's hardly shocking.


"Vic Country" contains major metropolitan areas, which are only designated Country to even out the player pool. Area's south of Mordialloc are country and major outer suburban eastern area's are also country.

Mordialloc is around Haileybury heartland and is 15 minutes from Brighton and Caulfield Grammer schools, yet is the designated border in the metro (Sandringham Dragons)/Country line (Dandenong Stingrays).....

Guys like Leigh Matthews and Dermott Brereton would of been Vic Country players under current rules.

That's why you see a large bunch of Vic Country players as day students at some of Melbourne biggest private schools.

The Haileybury 2017 1st XVIII had the following players, with a mixture of these kids Metro/Country because of living North and South of this line:

Brayshaw (#2) 17'
LDU (#4) 17'
Bonar (#11) 17'
Clavarino (#35) 17'
Constable (#36) 17'
Ross (#71) 17'
M.King (#4) 18'
B.King (#6) 18'
Stocker (#19) 18'



The 2016 side had alot of the above names including H.Brayshaw, Scrimshaw, Battle and Polson.


There's a big difference between what you think is elite and what actually is, don't get me started on sides like St Pats Ballarat (They had 12 players drafted out of their first XVIII in 2012 alone), St Kevins etc.....

Carey Grammar as an example, have Rowell and Anderson as probably the top 2 picks in the draft and are sitting 3rd in the APS.

 

[Mofra]

There’s absolutely no way Nat Fyfe deserved to be a top 10, let alone top 5 pick in his draft year.

He was a skinny, mercurial, low possession half forward flanker.

At least one WA based (junior) coach couldn't believe he wouldn't go first round. Also called out clubs for not taking Sydney Stack.
He's big on Elijah Taylor this year so that's good enough for me, hope the Bulldogs take him.

 

[PMBangers]

I think that is laughable and way off the mark, i think Aquinas, Hale and Trinity would be around the mark every year and Guildford, Wesley and Scotch a tier below but can also have good years, the first 3 mentioned usually have 4ths or 5ths and then 10a's, b's and c's, and so on down to year 7's, so depth is very good. Also if there are 20 Victorian schools that can smack Perth schools why doesn't that translate into the Vic state under 18's teams winning by 20 goals every year, we know that doesnt happen and usually it is quite close.

There's more to team success than just the players, and as stated above Victoria is split into country and metro meaning you rarely see the best 22 from the state play together

 

[andleanback]

At least one WA based (junior) coach couldn't believe he wouldn't go first round. Also called out clubs for not taking Sydney Stack.
He's big on Elijah Taylor this year so that's good enough for me, hope the Bulldogs take him.

more clubs should take the risk on the Sydney stack types. If you back in your club/ player culture + the clubs ability to develop players as people why not take a risk if the player slips to the 3rd round and beyond

 

[Joao]

At least one WA based (junior) coach couldn't believe he wouldn't go first round. Also called out clubs for not taking Sydney Stack.
He's big on Elijah Taylor this year so that's good enough for me, hope the Bulldogs take him.

Even I correctly identified that Stack was gun so surely not taking him was 100% off-field decisions from the other 17 (and arguably Richmond too)? I know that was the case for Freo, which made me very sad.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Great.

Aquinas probably gets smacked by the top 20 Victorian school football sides.


There’s absolutely no way Nat Fyfe deserved to be a top 10, let alone top 5 pick in his draft year.

He was a skinny, mercurial, low possession half forward flanker.

I think you seriously underrate the quality of some of the WA school sides. Obviously some of the best WA kids to come out of the draft happen to be from the country (Cripps, Sheed, Kennedy, Betts, etc.) where school sides don't really exist, meaning they either board in Perth or travel to play in carnivals, but there is still serious talent there, and the school sides do tend to reflect that.

Agree on Fyfe though, he was nowhere near top 10 in his draft year. No one could have honestly predicted him to be this good. Cripps was the same, in fact he was somewhat of a reach as it is.

 

[eDPS]

Not surprised with the names selected for a combine invite, Philp was very unlucky not to get a go to play in the metro trial games as they where low on bigger inside mids

 

[eDPS]

August rankings to come Sunday night

 

[andleanback]

Deven Robertson out for the year, needs a shoulder reco.

 

[Les Malone]

Deven Robertson out for the year, needs a shoulder reco.

Thats pretty bad luck, i am not really over these things - is it a build up or does it just go ?, maybe he was playing with it ?.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

He dislocated it in the last champs game.

 

[eastfreo75]

Eastern Ranges had 11 players drafted in one year and got knocked out in the elimination final, champs results mean didly squat

That shows you that their is Melbourne city cognitive bias.

Scouts go to the Victorian private school competitions and watch player X.

He does well at that level. That level of comp makes player x look better.

Player x has a poor championships but scouts remember all the school games.

Player y from WA has a good championship and plays a few games at WAFL level. Player y doesn’t stand out.

Most teams will pick player x over y. Why?
Cognitive bias due to exposed games at a lower level.

 

[briztoon]

That shows you that their is Melbourne city cognitive bias.

Scouts go to the Victorian private school competitions and watch player X.

He does well at that level. That level of comp makes player x look better.

Player x has a poor championships but scouts remember all the school games.

Player y from WA has a good championship and plays a few games at WAFL level. Player y doesn’t stand out.

Most teams will pick player x over y. Why?
Cognitive bias due to exposed games at a lower level.

Except recruiters put much more stock in games where kids have played against grown men, and the Championships where they play against the best of their peers.

How do we know this?

Because current recruiters and ex-recruiters tell us every fricken year.

Yet there’s posters who don’t listen because it’s their boys or mates who are not being picked, and it’s easier to blame someone else, rather than say, “bruh, tough luck mate. Look, let’s see if you can play WAFL while you’re at Uni, and maybe you get a second crack at it”.

 

[eDPS]

That shows you that their is Melbourne city cognitive bias.

Scouts go to the Victorian private school competitions and watch player X.

He does well at that level. That level of comp makes player x look better.

Player x has a poor championships but scouts remember all the school games.

Player y from WA has a good championship and plays a few games at WAFL level. Player y doesn’t stand out.

Most teams will pick player x over y. Why?
Cognitive bias due to exposed games at a lower level.

Scouts can see and say what they want to but at the end of the day head recruiters aren’t that narrow minded, the media at this stage dictates which players are rated highly at this stage or not rated and a bulk of those media people are based in Melbourne so will cover those players more often than not.

So Victorian media bias I would agree yes but in terms of actual recruiters I think that’s far from the truth.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

And we always hear the same bloody private schools mentioned.

It's as if they don't bother to go to public schools to watch the footy.

Public schools, too bloody hard.
Even if a public school's located about a stone's throw away from the private.

If Lukosius and Rankine spudded it up the past few years, we'd not hear about Henley High which is a public school.

Feel like clubs need to hire recruiters specifically for the public school programs.

More public schools, less Haileybury, St Kev's, Xavier, Sacred Heart, Hale, Guildford Grammar, PEGS and Scotch please.

Feel like the draft is more and more a dick measuring contest between the private schools.

Rant done.

 

[eDPS]

And we always hear the same bloody private schools mentioned.

It's as if they don't bother to go to public schools to watch the footy.

Public schools, too bloody hard.
Even if a public school's located about a stone's throw away from the private.

If Lukosius and Rankine spudded it up the past few years, we'd not hear about Henley High which is a public school.

Feel like clubs need to hire recruiters specifically for the public school programs.

More public schools, less Haileybury, St Kev's, Xavier, Sacred Heart, Hale, Guildford Grammar, PEGS and Scotch please.

Feel like the draft is more and more a dick measuring contest between the private schools.

Rant done.

To be fair Haileybury gets plenty of exciting talent, still remember a game I watched that had the Kings, LDU, Brayshaw, Ross, Constable, Riordan and a Young Weightman. It’s a good chance not just for scouts to see the current crop but for the next few years aswell.

You wouldn’t hear about most of those schools if they didn’t have those promising players every year simple as that.

 

[Les Malone]

Scouts can see and say what they want to but at the end of the day head recruiters aren’t that narrow minded, the media at this stage dictates which players are rated highly at this stage or not rated and a bulk of those media people are based in Melbourne so will cover those players more often than not.

So Victorian media bias I would agree yes but in terms of actual recruiters I think that’s far from the truth.

More than that IMO, the TAC cup is a million $ plus stand alone industry, plenty of snouts in the trough, plenty of livelihoods depend on draft success, i would hazard a guess that if players are remotely similar then Vic boys will get the nod, this year 23 boys from Vic metro, i don't think it is some tight conspiracy, i just think it is the way it is done, after some stand outs most players are very similar or will end up very similar.

If WA was the home of football i would expect it to happen here, so its not a anti Vic rant, although of course some posters will put MO down to that.

 

[Procrastinator35]

More than that IMO, the TAC cup is a million $ plus stand alone industry, plenty of snouts in the trough, plenty of livelihoods depend on draft success, i would hazard a guess that if players are remotely similar then Vic boys will get the nod, this year 23 boys from Vic metro, i don't think it is some tight conspiracy, i just think it is the way it is done, after some stand outs most players are very similar or will end up very similar.

If WA was the home of football i would expect it to happen here, so its not a anti Vic rant, although of course some posters will put MO down to that.

Victoria has a far greater population than W /A for starters; & the majority of that resides in Metropolitan Melbourne....Most of the Vic Metro lads come from Private Schools also…..So given the demographics involved, it's easy to see why they comprise the majority of Drafted players.

This is basic maths, which makes a nonsense of any bias claims or conspiracy theories.