List Mgmt. EFC Trade/Draft Talk III - 1 McClug, 1 Billings (AND ROSS) for 4th rounder get it done dodoro

Who should we take with pick 1?

  • Hugh McCluggage

    Votes: 202 59.6%
  • Will Brodie

    Votes: 50 14.7%
  • SPS

    Votes: 13 3.8%
  • Rhys Mathieson

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Jack Billings

    Votes: 22 6.5%
  • Ben Ainsworth

    Votes: 9 2.7%
  • A well pickled ham

    Votes: 7 2.1%
  • A bag of mouldy spuds

    Votes: 5 1.5%
  • A rancid orange

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • A floury apple

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • An over mushy pear

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A rock hard mandarin

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A braised brussel sprout

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Howard Moon

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You know what i reckon? having pick one in the PSD really tests who you are as a person (and as a club)

We are a small industry, the AFL and people and clubs dont forget things easily. There is a reason clubs dont take the walk to the psd option very often, because its poor form. ...and to be truthful, i dont think id want the kind of player that happily walks and screws their former club, thats not a nice personality trait id take in a recruit.

Look at us, all last off season, bemoaning STK for thretening the walk option, would it ever have happened? i highly doubt it, not just because the third club got involved, but because the player insisted on getting us fair value. We were calling the stk board animals and cheats and theifs for threatening the walk, we were complaining and wanting fair value, all fair enough.

Now the boots on the other foot, who are we as a club? dont turn into them. We showed what kind of club we are on Saturday by winning and putting pick one at risk, we are not that club, what goes around comes around. Its a small industry, clubs dont forget. Better to forge strong relationships than burn bridges, there are only 17 bridges out there, its a lonley place, marooned on a bridgeless island when no one wants to trade with you.

Sure its always used as a threat - and IF he nominates another club and they cant broker a deal- and GC play stubborn and let him walk, OK he falls to us (unlikley) but if he chooses us and we are in a position to broker a deal, i think we should, its up to GC to come closer to us because the safety net is there.

anyway, i know im idealistic but id like to build our new club on solid foudnations, not more underhanded rubbish that undermines what we should aspire to be.
 

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You know what i reckon? having pick one in the PSD really tests who you are as a person (and as a club)

We are a small industry, the AFL and people and clubs dont forget things easily. There is a reason clubs dont take the walk to the psd option very often, because its poor form. ...and to be truthful, i dont think id want the kind of player that happily walks and screws their former club, thats not a nice personality trait id take in a recruit.

Look at us, all last off season, bemoaning STK for thretening the walk option, would it ever have happened? i highly doubt it, not just because the third club got involved, but because the player insisted on getting us fair value. We were calling the stk board animals and cheats and theifs for threatening the walk, we were complaining and wanting fair value, all fair enough.

Now the boots on the other foot, who are we as a club? dont turn into them. We showed what kind of club we are on Saturday by winning and putting pick one at risk, we are not that club, what goes around comes around. Its a small industry, clubs dont forget. Better to forge strong relationships than burn bridges, there are only 17 bridges out there, its a lonley place, marooned on a bridgeless island when no one wants to trade with you.

Sure its always used as a threat - and IF he nominates another club and they cant broker a deal- and GC play stubborn and let him walk, OK he falls to us (unlikley) but if he chooses us and we are in a position to broker a deal, i think we should, its up to GC to come closer to us because the safety net is there.

anyway, i know im idealistic but id like to build our new club on solid foudnations, not more underhanded rubbish that undermines what we should aspire to be.
What if by nothing we do he ends up in the PSD? We have to take him.

Facts are GC are going to play hardball and if a deal doesn't get done they said themselves PSD.

PSD means us.
 

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Hey guys. How does a trade of a player work exactly. Players that nominate their club of choice and a trade gets done.

How about players that are out of contract or under contract and get traded, do they have a say in where they go? For example Dempsey has 4 years left on a 8 year deal and we want Nat Fyfe, Freo want pick 19 and Dempsey, Dempsey is under contract, are we able to send him off without him having a say?

Same with JOM if he nominates norf ( why the **** would anyone? ) but norf cannot come up with a suitable trade but Essendon can with pick 1 and Dempsey can they send JOM to Essendon without him actually wanting to?

I really hope this made sense, just finished a 13 hr graveyard shift.
 

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What if by nothing we do he ends up in the PSD? We have to take him.

Facts are GC are going to play hardball and if a deal doesn't get done they said themselves PSD.

PSD means us.
as i said, happy if he falls to us - not if he chooses us and we take the walk option, or REALLY low ball offer.

its like driving in the country and you see the farmers box with fresh fruit and the honour money box on the side. Sure you can take them and not put any money in, and you can get away with it.. but something makes you feel like shit on the way home, i call it guilt.

i still think we have a little way to go to repay the cosmos for whats happened this past 4 years, time to be a good club again.
 
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Hey guys. How does a trade of a player work exactly. Players that nominate their club of choice and a trade gets done.

How about players that are out of contract or under contract and get traded, do they have a say in where they go? For example Dempsey has 4 years left on a 8 year deal and we want Nat Fyfe, Freo want pick 19 and Dempsey, Dempsey is under contract, are we able to send him off without him having a say?

Same with JOM if he nominates norf ( why the **** would anyone? ) but norf cannot come up with a suitable trade but Essendon can with pick 1 and Dempsey can they send JOM to Essendon without him actually wanting to?

I really hope this made sense, just finished a 13 hr graveyard shift.
Players have to agree to a trade, end of story.
It's what makes trading difficult at times because 3 parties need to agree to the terms before it can be completed
 

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What if by nothing we do he ends up in the PSD? We have to take him.

Facts are GC are going to play hardball and if a deal doesn't get done they said themselves PSD.

PSD means us.
Decide what his value is in terms of picks, contract length and $$ and stick to it.

It's about to reach the end of the transfer window in Europe, notorious for absurd, last-minute panic buys. It's a nice reminder to not get caught up in the moment.

The PSD is a nice default position to be in and I hope it's treated as such.
 

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Hey guys. How does a trade of a player work exactly. Players that nominate their club of choice and a trade gets done.

How about players that are out of contract or under contract and get traded, do they have a say in where they go? For example Dempsey has 4 years left on a 8 year deal and we want Nat Fyfe, Freo want pick 19 and Dempsey, Dempsey is under contract, are we able to send him off without him having a say?

Same with JOM if he nominates norf ( why the **** would anyone? ) but norf cannot come up with a suitable trade but Essendon can with pick 1 and Dempsey can they send JOM to Essendon without him actually wanting to?

I really hope this made sense, just finished a 13 hr graveyard shift.
Player has to agree to a trade. Can't be traded against his will.
 

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You know what i reckon? having pick one in the PSD really tests who you are as a person (and as a club)

We are a small industry, the AFL and people and clubs dont forget things easily. There is a reason clubs dont take the walk to the psd option very often, because its poor form. ...and to be truthful, i dont think id want the kind of player that happily walks and screws their former club, thats not a nice personality trait id take in a recruit.

Look at us, all last off season, bemoaning STK for thretening the walk option, would it ever have happened? i highly doubt it, not just because the third club got involved, but because the player insisted on getting us fair value. We were calling the stk board animals and cheats and theifs for threatening the walk, we were complaining and wanting fair value, all fair enough.

Now the boots on the other foot, who are we as a club? dont turn into them. We showed what kind of club we are on Saturday by winning and putting pick one at risk, we are not that club, what goes around comes around. Its a small industry, clubs dont forget. Better to forge strong relationships than burn bridges, there are only 17 bridges out there, its a lonley place, marooned on a bridgeless island when no one wants to trade with you.

Sure its always used as a threat - and IF he nominates another club and they cant broker a deal- and GC play stubborn and let him walk, OK he falls to us (unlikley) but if he chooses us and we are in a position to broker a deal, i think we should, its up to GC to come closer to us because the safety net is there.

anyway, i know im idealistic but id like to build our new club on solid foudnations, not more underhanded rubbish that undermines what we should aspire to be.
While I agree with all of this, we've facilitated trades in the last few years getting players to their preferred destination. The Carlisle trade took a while but everyone ended up winning there and we've taken the approach in your post about the player getting his wishes without once carrying on like Cochrane did this week. That has to engender some loyalty from the leaving player.

I sincerely believe that what Cochrane did with his Gordonesque grandstanding has burnt any loyalty JOM had left for them. They've already carried on like dicks the last few years, their culture is non existent, it shouldn't be too hard for a club to sell JOM the added benefit of not weakening his new team too much.

If he did nominate us, I'd be generous. Pick 19 OR 37+55. That's it.
 
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Good, I was worried they didn't have a choice!
Yeah, despite what GC are saying they really have all the power in negotiations. No club is going to haul a player off to WA or something by picking them in the draft against their will. If JOM says he wants to go to Melbourne it'll be a Melbourne club that gets him in the draft

It's a good thing too, they're people with partners and families after all, imagine the damage that could be done to a player and their family if they're uprooted away from their home, partner needing to find new work, kids taken away from their school friends to someplace new.
 

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Yeah, despite what GC are saying they really have all the power in negotiations. No club is going to haul a player off to WA or something by picking them in the draft against their will. If JOM says he wants to go to Melbourne it'll be a Melbourne club that gets him in the draft

It's a good thing too, they're people with partners and families after all, imagine the damage that could be done to a player and their family if they're uprooted away from their home, partner needing to find new work, kids taken away from their school friends to someplace new.
While I agree GC are in a position of power the whole PSD threat looms as a reasonable possibility especially if we are his club of choice we should offer a reasonable trade which I'm sure they'll reject and take to afl remediation and we will probably end up throwing in an extra sweetener to get the job done.

Although all this chat about JOM is highly speculative until he nominates.
 

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Knighmare's breakdown of Hugh McC

1. Hugh McCluggage (VIC)
Position:
Outside midfield
Height, weight: 185cm, 75kg
Recruited from: North Ballarat Rebels
Plays like: Jason Akermanis
Projected draft range: top 10
Rated last month: 1
Rationale behind ranking/change of ranking: Has continued to elevate his standard of performance since the AFL Under-18 Championships. With 17 goals from eight TAC Cup games and an average of 30 disposals per match, McCluggage is arguably this year's best-performed player through any of the junior competitions nationally.
Strengths:
- Production
- Incredible cleanness at ground level
- Freakish finishing ability from all angles both from set shots and general play
- Lowers eyes and finds inside 50m targets by foot
- Excellent crumbing ability, getting to right positions and quickly gaining possession
- Instant decision maker with ball in hand
- Quick and accurate disposal by hand and foot
- Confidence to play on or move ball on quickly
- Keeps his feet and has natural balance
- Football smarts
- Reads ruck taps
- Strong, clean hands overhead
- Marking threat in the air and on the lead
- Tackling energy/pressure
- Works hard on outside to find space, creates options outside stoppages and provides overlap run
- Acceleration to break away from stoppages
- Outside run and carry
- Rapid rate of improvement
- Standard of performance this season given his limited pre-season suggests substantial upside
Weaknesses:
- Light bodied and can get pushed around in the contest
- Attack on the ball
- More a ground ball winner than a contested ball winner, with the hard contested ball something he would benefit from winning more of


Just bring him in.
Hmmm, he has negatives. Do not want.
 

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I wonder if there are any juniors likened to Shannon Hurn, or Zac Williams. Besides Hurley's get out of jail kicking, we still need another with a pin point cannon ball for a boot.
 

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I wonder if there are any juniors likened to Shannon Hurn, or Zac Williams. Besides Hurley's get out of jail kicking, we still need another with a pin point cannon ball for a boot.

Trent McKenzie.


(If only he could actually defend)
 

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You know what i reckon? having pick one in the PSD really tests who you are as a person (and as a club)

We are a small industry, the AFL and people and clubs dont forget things easily. There is a reason clubs dont take the walk to the psd option very often, because its poor form. ...and to be truthful, i dont think id want the kind of player that happily walks and screws their former club, thats not a nice personality trait id take in a recruit.

Look at us, all last off season, bemoaning STK for thretening the walk option, would it ever have happened? i highly doubt it, not just because the third club got involved, but because the player insisted on getting us fair value. We were calling the stk board animals and cheats and theifs for threatening the walk, we were complaining and wanting fair value, all fair enough.

Now the boots on the other foot, who are we as a club? dont turn into them. We showed what kind of club we are on Saturday by winning and putting pick one at risk, we are not that club, what goes around comes around. Its a small industry, clubs dont forget. Better to forge strong relationships than burn bridges, there are only 17 bridges out there, its a lonley place, marooned on a bridgeless island when no one wants to trade with you.

Sure its always used as a threat - and IF he nominates another club and they cant broker a deal- and GC play stubborn and let him walk, OK he falls to us (unlikley) but if he chooses us and we are in a position to broker a deal, i think we should, its up to GC to come closer to us because the safety net is there.

anyway, i know im idealistic but id like to build our new club on solid foudnations, not more underhanded rubbish that undermines what we should aspire to be.
100% agree, we need to do the righty here.

Their Seb Ross trade idea was laughed at by us. We should've pushed pick 5 and Ross.

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Are they both free agents? That's the only way I'd be willing to grab one. We have some quality tall defenders already and I'd be leaning towards taking some younger blokes in the draft and developing them for when our current crop are nearing the end.

Would rather be adding to our midfield and forward stocks, but if one of these blokes can play a role - fantastic.
 

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I wonder if there are any juniors likened to Shannon Hurn, or Zac Williams. Besides Hurley's get out of jail kicking, we still need another with a pin point cannon ball for a boot.
Stingrays defender Mason De Witt is a huge left foot kick. Plenty of decent half back available at the end of the draft.
 
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