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All the meaningful economic reform was done by Hawke & Keating. Liberals main contribution was budget surpluses which they got by taxing the crap out of us.

All leaders live through difficult world situations. Howard has represented us well at times. But the arrogance he developed over the last 3 years due I think to the senate majority has been his downfall.
 
What the? from Minchin - Howard led us through difficult times ie bali and the shooting in tasmania etc. I can't remember him at all really during those times.

Credit where credit's due, I thought Howard did well after Port Arthur, at least trying to improve gun control in this country.
 
To GandF, if the 7 computer is right, they are suggesting that Labor are going to gain La Trobe and McEwen in a 50-50 result for both.
I'm going off the ABC & Ch 9 TV coverages and the AEC website, La Trobe's too close to call and the Libs should hold McEwan.



10:30pm Update:

Labor need 16 seats to win. So far they have won 22 and lost 2, a net gain of 20:

NSW - Parramatta, Lindsay, Page, Eden-Monaro, Dobell
Vic - Corangamite, Deakin
Tas - Braddon, Bass
SA - Wakefield, Makin, Kingston
Qld - Bonner, Blair, Moreton, Dawson, Longman, Leichhardt, Flynn, Forde, Petrie
WA - Husluck

ALP Losses:
WA - Swan, Cowan


So no change since the 10pm update. I'm very close to calling Bennelong, but I'll hold off on that one until after Howard's speech.
 

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This horrible seppo-style cheering and hooting after every sentence Howard says is awful.

They'll do it after everything Rudd does too and have done all through the campaign.

Get used to it.
 
Johnie did very well on the guns, and killing in Tassie and Bali, not so much with words ( speech writers were crap) but my hugging families that lost loved ones.

But He got in on a anti keating vote, and divided the nation with wedge politics, he embraced Pauline Hanson, you can see that with Jeihad Jackie, could you believe in the Keating people do that?
And very poor appointing poison people to government institution eg stacking the ABC board, Croager was a lib on the board but he never waited to burn the place down.
 

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No mention of bennelong

Wouldn't the part where he said they'd need a new leader sort of give it away?

Edit: he just mentioned it's not likely he'll hold his seat.

Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
 
Wouldn't the part where he said they'd need a new leader sort of give it away?

Edit: he just mentioned it's not likely he'll hold his seat.

Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

Nope. If coalition lost why would he lead?

Anyway he did in the end.
 

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So I should have qualified my comment just to placate idiots who see every criticism as a partisan one?

No. But I thought it was obvious that I was inferring that this sort of clapping at every cough is here to stay no matter who is pseaking.

Anyway this has been debated before.

Rudd is on in 4 minutes.
 
No. But I thought it was obvious that I was inferring that this sort of clapping at every cough is here to stay no matter who is pseaking.

And I'd have thought it was obvious that I wasn't necessarily implying it was exclusive to Howard supporters. Way to get all defensive about it.
 

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