Elon Musk is rejected by Biden admin re carbon tax

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Marketing 101, you study your key demographics. The Asian community earn statistically more money than other demographics, and tend to enjoy gadgets and technology. That's not a racist statement, it's fact.

Agreed, but Biden wouldn't agree to even meet with Elon regarding renewables (and a carbon tax would even significantly hurt Elon himself via Spacex), nor would be agree to meet with Ice Cube regarding assistance to the black community.
Well he doesn’t have to meet with anyone really. I know Trump met with Ice Cube, but why does Biden have to? Doesn’t bother me if he does or doesn’t.

I’m quite sure Trump didn’t meet with everyone who wanted to meet him.

Why was a tax never suggested when Trump was in charge? Was the idea for Elon to make as much $$$ with lower taxes then because he knew Trump and the republicans would never go for a carbon tax?

Again, I’m pro carbon tax.
 

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False. I've installed a few of their chargers, it's rich old white or asian conservatives flying around in them. Progressives take the tram.
And as we all know, rich old white dudes and asians simply can't be lefties. Particularly those that took the trouble to drive a Tesla :tearsofjoy:

Marketing 101, you study your key demographics. The Asian community earn statistically more money than other demographics, and tend to enjoy gadgets and technology. That's not a racist statement, it's fact.
Yep, people who earn more and enjoy gadgets clearly aren't lefties either.

This is fascinating, tell me more :tearsofjoy:

 

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And as we all know, rich old white dudes and asians simply can't be lefties. Particularly those that took the trouble to drive a Tesla :tearsofjoy:



Yep, people who earn more and enjoy gadgets clearly aren't lefties either.

This is fascinating, tell me more :tearsofjoy:

So billionaires control the dems, but wealthy people can’t be left.

So that means the dems aren’t really left? But are somehow wanting to run a socialist agenda?

It’a a little contradictory.
 

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Well someone's gotta do it m8. He's the man for his time. Will be looked back on like Newton and Galileo!
You fall for the cult of personality dont you? It seems to be a common trait amongst trumpers. The desire to follow another who is charismatic.

its ideas, evidence and values that you should follow. Not people.

musk has thrown money at new technologies. And looks like landing some big wins with that money. Evs and batteries will go a long way to stabilising climate. But he didnt come up with these techs. He aint an inventor. He just pushed techs invented by others to the point of commercialisation. A very important role. But he aint going to be remembered 100 years now for it. He would have to achieve something bigger.
 

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and offers no real solutions for the climate catastrophe we're facing.
This article you referenced is basically promoting a conspiracy theory that Elon is just implementing these projects for himself and fellow billionaires to keep them safe from some sort of climate-zombie-apocalypse.

If that seems like an outlandish suggestion, consider the most recent vehicle for Musk to have shown off: the Cybertruck. It’s directly inspired by the dystopian future of Blade Runner and claims to feature body panels that will hold up to sledgehammers and windows that will stop bullets. Those aren’t regular consumer features; they’re things you add when you’re scared of the people outside the walls of your gated community and need safe transport from its gates to your exclusive underground roads.
The author is also admittedly partisian.

Paris Marx is a socialist writer and host of the Tech Won't Save Us podcast.
 

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This article you referenced is basically promoting a conspiracy theory that Elon is just implementing these projects for himself and fellow billionaires to keep them safe from some sort of climate-zombie-apocalypse.



The author is also admittedly partisian.
Haha yeah, the internal logic there doesn't make a whole lot of sense - why would Elon be telling everyone about his personal survival ace in the hole, let alone leveling the apocalypse playing field by selling it to consumers.

He'd be better off just keeping a big modded **** off hummer or something in the garage.
 

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False. I've installed a few of their chargers, it's rich old white or asian conservatives flying around in them. Progressives take the tram.
My dad just bought one - he’s a rich old white progressive


I’d suggest the people buying evs - being that the price starts a fair way higher than a normal car are going to be rich old white ...................
 

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My dad just bought one - he’s a rich old white progressive


I’d suggest the people buying evs - being that the price starts a fair way higher than a normal car are going to be rich old white ...................
Good on him for supporting the industry. Can I ask which make he got? While I've done a lot of work with home solar and batteries, I admit I have NFI what EVs are actually like to drive or which ones are better than which.
 

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Good on him for supporting the industry. Can I ask which make he got? While I've done a lot of work with home solar and batteries, I admit I have NFI what EVs are actually like to drive or which ones are better than which.

He reckons its goes like sh*t off a shovel. He doesnt drive that often - has an electric assisted bike he goes for lunch most days.

this is for longer trips - he will be able to charge it during the day using the 7kw solar system on his roof
 

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He reckons its goes like sh*t off a shovel. He doesnt drive that often - has an electric assisted bike he goes for lunch most days.

this is for longer trips - he will be able to charge it during the day using the 7kw solar system on his roof
The warranties look awesome, particularly on the battery bank. 7kw of solar on the roof is an impressively sized system too for offsetting it. Hope it serves him well.
 

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My dad just bought one - he’s a rich old white progressive


I’d suggest the people buying evs - being that the price starts a fair way higher than a normal car are going to be rich old white ...................
I cant see how you could be a progressive who would buy an EV in australia today. our electricity is mostly coal generated meaning that the emissions from an EV in australia is higher than from a conventional petroleum based vehicle and it will be that way for atleast another decade. Evs in australia should be banned until we make significant switches to solar and wind power.
 

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I cant see how you could be a progressive who would buy an EV in australia today. our electricity is mostly coal generated meaning that the emissions from an EV in australia is higher than from a conventional petroleum based vehicle and it will be that way for atleast another decade. Evs in australia should be banned until we make significant switches to solar and wind power.
You missed the post after that

he has a 7 kw solar system on his roof - he can charge it from the sun - hes retired

then on top of that theres suggestions that people who dont need their ev till midmorning can use it as an overnight battery to store their own solar pv - then as the sun comes up the solar recharges the car battery. Requires you to minimise electricity use on waking - so set the dishwasher / clothes washer / dryer to start after 8 am summer and later in winter.

But aside from that - millions of individual motors are much less efficient than one big motor.

petrol and diesel motors spend very little time in the optimum efficiency rev range- electric motors are always in the perfect rev range with 100% torque available from 0 revs to redline.
 

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You missed the post after that

he has a 7 kw solar system on his roof - he can charge it from the sun - hes retired

then on top of that theres suggestions that people who dont need their ev till midmorning can use it as an overnight battery to store their own solar pv - then as the sun comes up the solar recharges the car battery. Requires you to minimise electricity use on waking - so set the dishwasher / clothes washer / dryer to start after 8 am summer and later in winter.

But aside from that - millions of individual motors are much less efficient than one big motor.

petrol and diesel motors spend very little time in the optimum efficiency rev range- electric motors are always in the perfect rev range with 100% torque available from 0 revs to redline.
Sounds like he has thought it through properly unlike most.
 

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Sounds like he has thought it through properly unlike most.
Id suggest most people paying the extra for an electric car will have solar on their roof

<<<<At least 366,187 systems had been installed across WA as at December 31, 2020 (Source: Clean Energy Regulator). These systems collectively boasted a total installed capacity of more than 1.62GW. In terms of capacity, rooftop solar is currently WA’s biggest power station.>>>

source:https://www.solarquotes.com.au/australia/solar-power-wa/
 

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Even without renewables powering the things, investment in EVs is a good thing. More money into the industry for R and D.

Purchasing a hybrid household battery, on the other hand, seems to be worse for the environment on balance. With no battery, excess solar energy is given out to the grid. With a battery, excess energy is stored in it (with significant losses in charging and discharging inefficiencies - roughly 10% each way) for the owner's use.

But the above logic may still hold true here, that investment in the industry is a good thing regardless.
 

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Even without renewables powering the things, investment in EVs is a good thing. More money into the industry for R and D.

Purchasing a hybrid household battery, on the other hand, seems to be worse for the environment on balance. With no battery, excess solar energy is given out to the grid. With a battery, excess energy is stored in it (with significant losses in charging and discharging inefficiencies - roughly 10% each way) for the owner's use.

But the above logic may still hold true here, that investment in the industry is a good thing regardless.
If you were paying for that power you would have a good point - but the power is free - so losing 10% each way is nothing.
 

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If you were paying for that power you would have a good point - but the power is free - so losing 10% each way is nothing.
I'm speaking purely environmentally. Having a heavy arse, generally non-recyclable hybrid battery in your house is less environmentally sound than simply pushing that excess solar energy back into the grid for your neighbours to use.
 

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Availability heuristic.

Not the case where I'm from. Telsa is the new Prius for the left. Plenty of left money in LA and no trams.
I've heard (grain of salt) that alternatives to Tesla are a far more common option in European countries. The LA crowd would be more about trendiness I imagine.
 

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