Ending congestion

Marcel Proust

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The incentive can still be to get the ball, but what made the game great was the fast flowing movement if it. Constant attack (or attempt to attack) rather than keeping possession or forcing a stoppage. Which is what it has become now.

You have to force players to continually attack and that means moving the ball on. If you don’t, you’re doomed to what we have now.
apparently half time break is being reduced to 10 mins next season ...

more half assed measures to try and end congestion

remove the bench or make it substitutes and it will be like 1975 again
 

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mike123

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The incentive is still there to get the ball because the only way you can kick a higher score than the opposition and win is by getting it. The AFL needs to de-incentivise ;) holding onto the ball when tackled.
Yes but they can now achieve that just by wait for an opposition player to pick it up and tackle them.
 

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Yes but they can now achieve that just by wait for an opposition player to pick it up and tackle them.
How do you kick a higher score than the opposition by waiting for an opposition player to get the ball and tackling them? Someone else getting the ball isn't going to get you a higher score, even if you manage to lock them up in a tackle.

OTOH if the ball's there you can grab it and dispose of it (a positive), grab it and elude tackles, if you're good enough (a skill), and then dispose of it (positive), or you can try to tap it to a teammate (positive), away from opposition players (positive) or in the direction of your goals (positive). No-one will be standing around waiting to tackle (a negative) when the ball's there for the taking, especially if they can do something positive with it. If you're aware of what's going on around you (skill) then you'll know if you're about to be tackled so then you tap the ball rather than grabbing it and being tackled causing a stoppage (negative).
 

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How do you kick a higher score than the opposition by waiting for an opposition player to get the ball and tackling them?

OTOH if the ball's there they can grab it and dispose of it (a positive), grab it and elude tackles, if they're good enough (a skill), and then dispose of it (positive), or they can try to tap it to a teammate (positive), away from opposition players (positive) or in the direction of their goals (positive). No-one will be standing around waiting to tackle (a negative) when the ball's there for the taking, especially if they can do something positive with it. If you're aware of what's going on around you (skill) then you'll know if you're about to be tackled so then you tap the ball rather than grabbing it and being tackled causing a stoppage (negative).

The very first laws of the game did not permit players to take possession of the ball off/from the ground. To legally gain possession the ball had to be taken in the air; from a kick, handball or 'on the bounce'.
Believe it or not this rule was designed to protect players sustaining injuries from 'hacking', an early term today known as 'kicking in danger'. A rare example of OH&S in the early 19th century !!!

I recall a discussion around the league in the 1970's which was driven by Tom Hafey who wanted the rule re-introduced after a spate of kicking in danger injuries...

Perhaps a version of this rule could be adopted to the modern game, eg. only after umpire bounces/ball-ups and throw-ins? It would certainly help reduce congestion and basically the only real change to game would be an increase in the 1% type knock-on plays...?

Thoughts?
 
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How do you kick a higher score than the opposition by waiting for an opposition player to get the ball and tackling them?
Becuase you’ll immediately win the ball back because there is no prior opportunity anymore.

Why risk turning the ball over by winning it when you can just tackle the opposition and a free kick instead?

If you want to reduce congestion make it harder for the tacklers not easier. Once gang tackling isn’t a viable defensive tactic coaches will stop using it.
 

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Becuase you’ll immediately win the ball back because there is no prior opportunity anymore.

Why risk turning the ball over by winning it when you can just tackle the opposition and a free kick instead?

If you want to reduce congestion make it harder for the tacklers not easier. Once gang tackling isn’t a viable defensive tactic coaches will stop using it.
You honestly think this would cause players to not try to win the ball?

Seriously?

In the face of 100 years of evidence?
 

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Becuase you’ll immediately win the ball back because there is no prior opportunity anymore.

Why risk turning the ball over by winning it when you can just tackle the opposition and a free kick instead?

If you want to reduce congestion make it harder for the tacklers not easier. Once gang tackling isn’t a viable defensive tactic coaches will stop using it.
But before or when that player gets tackled he'll dispose of it. Remember the ball carrier still has a short amount of time to do so. He might also choose to tap it on (as above). Also, if the player doesn't dispose of it the tackler will get a free kick and move the ball out of the area.
 

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