Ending congestion

Marcel Proust

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The incentive can still be to get the ball, but what made the game great was the fast flowing movement if it. Constant attack (or attempt to attack) rather than keeping possession or forcing a stoppage. Which is what it has become now.

You have to force players to continually attack and that means moving the ball on. If you don’t, you’re doomed to what we have now.
apparently half time break is being reduced to 10 mins next season ...

more half assed measures to try and end congestion

remove the bench or make it substitutes and it will be like 1975 again
 

mike123

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The incentive is still there to get the ball because the only way you can kick a higher score than the opposition and win is by getting it. The AFL needs to de-incentivise ;) holding onto the ball when tackled.
Yes but they can now achieve that just by wait for an opposition player to pick it up and tackle them.
 

sprockets

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Yes but they can now achieve that just by wait for an opposition player to pick it up and tackle them.
How do you kick a higher score than the opposition by waiting for an opposition player to get the ball and tackling them? Someone else getting the ball isn't going to get you a higher score, even if you manage to lock them up in a tackle.

OTOH if the ball's there you can grab it and dispose of it (a positive), grab it and elude tackles, if you're good enough (a skill), and then dispose of it (positive), or you can try to tap it to a teammate (positive), away from opposition players (positive) or in the direction of your goals (positive). No-one will be standing around waiting to tackle (a negative) when the ball's there for the taking, especially if they can do something positive with it. If you're aware of what's going on around you (skill) then you'll know if you're about to be tackled so then you tap the ball rather than grabbing it and being tackled causing a stoppage (negative).
 

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How do you kick a higher score than the opposition by waiting for an opposition player to get the ball and tackling them?

OTOH if the ball's there they can grab it and dispose of it (a positive), grab it and elude tackles, if they're good enough (a skill), and then dispose of it (positive), or they can try to tap it to a teammate (positive), away from opposition players (positive) or in the direction of their goals (positive). No-one will be standing around waiting to tackle (a negative) when the ball's there for the taking, especially if they can do something positive with it. If you're aware of what's going on around you (skill) then you'll know if you're about to be tackled so then you tap the ball rather than grabbing it and being tackled causing a stoppage (negative).

The very first laws of the game did not permit players to take possession of the ball off/from the ground. To legally gain possession the ball had to be taken in the air; from a kick, handball or 'on the bounce'.
Believe it or not this rule was designed to protect players sustaining injuries from 'hacking', an early term today known as 'kicking in danger'. A rare example of OH&S in the early 19th century !!!

I recall a discussion around the league in the 1970's which was driven by Tom Hafey who wanted the rule re-introduced after a spate of kicking in danger injuries...

Perhaps a version of this rule could be adopted to the modern game, eg. only after umpire bounces/ball-ups and throw-ins? It would certainly help reduce congestion and basically the only real change to game would be an increase in the 1% type knock-on plays...

Thoughts?
 
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mike123

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How do you kick a higher score than the opposition by waiting for an opposition player to get the ball and tackling them?
Becuase you’ll immediately win the ball back because there is no prior opportunity anymore.

Why risk turning the ball over by winning it when you can just tackle the opposition and a free kick instead?

If you want to reduce congestion make it harder for the tacklers not easier. Once gang tackling isn’t a viable defensive tactic coaches will stop using it.
 

Bunk Moreland

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Becuase you’ll immediately win the ball back because there is no prior opportunity anymore.

Why risk turning the ball over by winning it when you can just tackle the opposition and a free kick instead?

If you want to reduce congestion make it harder for the tacklers not easier. Once gang tackling isn’t a viable defensive tactic coaches will stop using it.
You honestly think this would cause players to not try to win the ball?

Seriously?

In the face of 100 years of evidence?
 

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Becuase you’ll immediately win the ball back because there is no prior opportunity anymore.

Why risk turning the ball over by winning it when you can just tackle the opposition and a free kick instead?

If you want to reduce congestion make it harder for the tacklers not easier. Once gang tackling isn’t a viable defensive tactic coaches will stop using it.
But before or when that player gets tackled he'll dispose of it. Remember the ball carrier still has a short amount of time to do so. He might also choose to tap it on (as above). Also, if the player doesn't dispose of it the tackler will get a free kick and move the ball out of the area.
 

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Fantastic watching some of the “classic” games on 504 over the break. I watched Essendon v West Coast from 1993 last night. It was just endless movement and action.

Why? There were no ******* ball ups. Players didn’t get caught - they didn’t take possession or if they did, they got rid of straight away and moved it on. When a tackle did stick, it moved on anyway - via a free kick either way.

Solution is right there.
 

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Fantastic watching some of the “classic” games on 504 over the break. I watched Essendon v West Coast from 1993 last night. It was just endless movement and action.

Why? There were no ******* ball ups. Players didn’t get caught - they didn’t take possession or if they did, they got rid of straight away and moved it on. When a tackle did stick, it moved on anyway - via a free kick either way.

Solution is right there.
Yep, biggest problem for congestion right now is that tackles aren't rewarded. I think prior opportunity is a good rule, but needs to be limited to the first one or two steps the ball carrier has. After that, ping them.
 

Jez1974

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The AFL has trialled and implemented all types of new rules to ease congestion and get the ball moving.

I reckon the one that would make the biggest difference is staring us right in the face.

Look at what happens now at EVERY contested situation.

Ball-up around the ground? The ruckmen tap it down, a player takes possession in the maul and is immediately set upon by opponents. Another ball-up.

Boundary throw-in? Same thing. Ball-up.

Two players chasing a contested ball. One gets there a split second before the other, grabs the footy, and is immediately tackled by the opponent. Ball-up.

The issue? Simple. It's players taking possession.

They grab it and try to bullock their way through, invariably being caught and dragged to ground for another stoppage. This is what results in stoppage after stoppage, allowing everybody to set up around the ball.

This is when the game most resembles the ugliest sport of all, rugby union.

The solution? Also simple. Get rid of the "prior opportunity" ruling.

There should be no such thing. If you're caught with the ball in a legal tackle, then it's holding the ball, and a free kick to your opponent.

Your options in traffic?

1: Don't take possession. Knock it on toward a teammate and keep the game moving.

2: Keep your arms free in the tackle and get a handball away, and keep the game moving.

3: Break the tackle and you're away, keeping the game moving.

To assist with it the ruckman could belt the ball further, into space.

If you can't do 2 or 3, then don't take possession of the ball. Keep it moving. You can't just give players the right to grab the ball when they have multiple opponents around them to immediately grab them and force yet another stoppage.

Repeated stoppages don't break, and the game doesn't get moving again, until one of these things happens anyway. So enforce in in the rules.

It's only really an issue in traffic, which is (by definition) congestion. So make the players get it moving, or pay a free kick against them.

Basically every time there was a tackle, unless the player immediately disposes by handball, there'd be a free kick... holding the ball, or against the tackler if it's too high etc. No matter what, the game would have to keep moving.

I suspect it'd also be simpler to umpire, and without so many breaks for stoppages, you couldn't have 35 players following the ball around constantly.
Watch a 90s game. As soon as 3rd man in it becomes a ball up. Don't wait til it looks like union. The umps need to ball it up quicker, like they used to. Coaches should go back to playing positions just like they do in juniors and it would also help
 

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